tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6500144146472554510..comments2024-03-29T09:34:59.827+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Words of our Sages are from G-dDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70953229826858971802023-08-23T12:29:57.630+03:002023-08-23T12:29:57.630+03:00So clearly RsK and RNG were acting with ruach hako...So clearly RsK and RNG were acting with ruach hakodesh, anyone who says otherwise...Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66299918338149179812013-08-27T17:14:16.364+03:002013-08-27T17:14:16.364+03:00Eddie the Leshem is not problematic. What is prob...Eddie the Leshem is not problematic. What is problematic is your ready assumption that you have a clear understanding that Chazal, Rishonim and Achronim are making problematic statements.<br /><br />Instead of going through your pilpul - why not accept the pshat of what the Leshem is saying. <br /><br />If you find somewhere that he actually claims that we need to accept a navi sheker and that therefore the Torah is also "heretical" then we will deal with that at that time.<br /><br />you remind me of Eiruvin 13b that there was a student who could logically prove 150 ways that a sheretz was tahor. or Sanhedrin 17a that a member of the Sanhedrin needed a similar ability<br /><br />סנהדרין יז. <br /><br />אמר רב יהודה אמר רב: אין מושיבין בסנהדרין אלא מי שיודע לטהר את השרץ מן התורה. <br /><br />שו"ת משנה הלכות חלק יב סימן שפה <br /><br />ולפמ"ש הרמב"ם י"ל בפשיטות קושית התוס' שהיה האי תלמיד יודע לטהר שרץ בק"ן טעמים ואעפ"כ אמרה התורה שהוא טמא ונדע שכל מה שקבלנו הוא אמיתית דבפלפולים אפשר לעייל פילא בקופא דמחתא ואפשר לטהר אפילו שרץ בק"ן טעמים אבל אנן אקבלה נסמוך והביאו שם מפני שר"מ היה חריף עצום ואמרו שם גלוי וידוע לפני מי שאמר והיה העולם שאין בדורו של ר"מ כמותו ומפני מה לא קבעו הלכה כמותו מפני שלא יכלו חבריו לעמוד על סוף דעתו שהוא אומר על טמא טהור ומראה לו פנים ועל טהור טמא ומראה לו פנים ולכן הביאו אחריו האי תלמיד שהי' יודע לטהר שרץ בק"ן טעמים ואעפ"כ אנן אקבלה סמכינן והתורה אמרה. <br />Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-76315956948159162352013-08-27T16:24:13.263+03:002013-08-27T16:24:13.263+03:00The statement of the Leshem is problematic - as fa...The statement of the Leshem is problematic - as far as the Torah is concerned.<br /><br />"We can conclude from all this that anyone who tries to analyze the words of the Sages in order to establish the nature of their truth places himself in great danger. That is because man’s intellect cannot properly comprehend this matter and thus a person can come to heresy from the endeavor. "<br /><br />The sages of the Talmud were post-Sanhedrin. This implies that the sanhedrin were of greater stature. However, the sanhedrin itself was not infallible. The Torah has a set of korbanot to be brought for errors made by them. The errors have to come to light by human intellect. So the Leshem, is effectively putting away this Torah law and also mesechet horayot, ans hilchot shogegot. <br /><br />Next, if he claims that everything they say is with ruach hakodesh, and are thus infallible, he is denying another principle of the Torah. The Torah also allows for Neviei Sheker. These again are tested by the human intellect. A Navi can make a false prediction, and he can be disproven. the torah tells us not be afraid him. The Leshem is saying that we must be afraid of him, even if our intellect shows him to be wrong. So the Leshem is implying that the Torah is also "heretical".Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55058103317788098362011-04-12T18:22:37.224+03:002011-04-12T18:22:37.224+03:00The Leshem - the grandfather of R' Elyashiv sh...The Leshem - the grandfather of R' Elyashiv shlita - states that even the non halachic content of Midrash is also Divinely revealed.<br /><br />This explains perhaps, R'Elyashiv's position on science, which is extremely negative.<br /><br />It does not, however, fit with Rambam's thinking, who takes issue with some claims of Midrash on matters such as Astrology, and scientific matters. This even comes through in Halachic issues, where in Hilchot Rosh Chodesh , rambam says that the science of astronomy is not always in agreement with the Sages views, and that we should accept the truth from whatever source it comes.<br /><br />I think fundamentally this is a machloket between the kabbalists and the rationalists.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.com