tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6389980940436378008..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Epstein-Friedman divorce: Actions of Rabbis Kamenetsky and SchacterDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89158197509711563762015-02-20T05:15:35.861+02:002015-02-20T05:15:35.861+02:00So Shalom Kaminetsky defies his father?So Shalom Kaminetsky defies his father?Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32075890991055802672014-05-22T02:06:53.193+03:002014-05-22T02:06:53.193+03:00Not even chachomim leheira. Sof dovor hakol nishma...Not even chachomim leheira. Sof dovor hakol nishma, es elokim yerei ve'es mitzvoisov shmoir, ki ze kol ha'adam. You can fool some of the people some of the time, you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Sooner or later we all find out the personal interests that are and have been involved. What a shame for the neshomo over this whole pesha veresha to Mr. f, while accrediting to Mr. E's zechus loy olenu. ORA and it's cohorts will bee trapped in the kaf hakela lanetzach netzochim, vetipach ruchom, veyihyu tzruro bitzroiros shel avonim leolmei ad. Have you no shame? Have you no decency?<br /><br />If she has a true valid heter of being FREE and only a mechuser Get lechumra if there ever exists such a thing*, here is a complete heter for her lachofshi chinom. I FREE her of any residue chashash of eishes ish klall uklall due to the mitzvos esse of "ki lo letohu broah, elo losheves yetzorah", and doche the lo sa'ase needed only lechumra. VeHarei hi bechezkas vaday bilti metuloim ubegapoi yovo ubegapoi yetze, of hekeish biah leyetzia. In the spirit of Glasnost, I openly declare the heter for all to know, and rather mekarev eduso. A guten Purim in a Gittin Tomid.<br /><br />* If you are successful in being oiker a Kiddushin deorayso with whatever widgetry, then there is no chashash of being an eishses ish altogether. If you are choishesh that the AKIRA is not valid, then the execution of a Get is necessary MIDEOIRAYSO, and not only lechumrei. That is why I do not believe even for one moment in Abracadabra hocus pocus secret makeshift kangaroo beis din meachoirei hapargod.Tipshim leheira.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11610369541558760592014-05-22T01:16:38.534+03:002014-05-22T01:16:38.534+03:00Over 100 words in your comment yet not even one hi...Over 100 words in your comment yet not even one hints to a source. Big Mistake.<br />Joe Orlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01647300462644754688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2609584199376007022014-05-22T00:56:53.450+03:002014-05-22T00:56:53.450+03:00The Epstein family's finanicial support of and...The Epstein family's finanicial support of and personal involvement in many Orthodox institutions in Philadelphia, including those connected to the Kamenetskys, is a matter of public record. These activities are laudable, but it is also clear that Rabbis Kamenetsky have longstanding personal and financial ties to the Epstein familiy.<br /><br />Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky has longstanding close relationships with the Epstein family [For example See Dr. Dovid Epstein, z’l, Yated Ne’eman, May 4, 21012 (noting how close Dr. Epstein was to Rabbi Kamenetsky and featuring a picture of the two, and Dr. Epstein’s involvement in the Philadelphia Orthodox community); http://articles.philly.com/2010-04-20/news/25213049_1_family-physician-geriatric-medicine-future-wife “Dr. Epstein [Tamar’s father] was an active supporter of Talmudical Yeshiva of Philadelphia [of which Rabbi Kamenetsky is founder and rosh yeshiva], a religious school for Orthodox Jewish boys and young men in Overbrook. He volunteered his medical services to the school and was on call to care for the students 24/7, said a close friend, Rick Goldfein [Tamar’s Rabbinical Court lawyer and press spokesman].” <br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/03/halachic-authority-requires-being.htmlclarificationnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11348142249441923582014-05-22T00:53:44.489+03:002014-05-22T00:53:44.489+03:00Joe
Why don't you take up Rabbi Michael Tzado...Joe<br /><br />Why don't you take up Rabbi Michael Tzadok's above suggestion to make the call, record it, ask the question and post it here. You don't need anyone else to call you and conference in on the call; you can make it yourself. If for whatever reason recording it is not possible, still ask the direct unambiguous question and transcribe the precise question and answer.<br /><br />HatzlachaCharles Katznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20955768045033476162014-05-21T22:38:37.668+03:002014-05-21T22:38:37.668+03:00False Chumrahs produce Mamzeirim. There are some ...False Chumrahs produce Mamzeirim. There are some poskim who feel that any pressure whatsoever on a husband will produce an invalid Get, and so they actively or passively support those men who withhold the Get as a means of torturing their wives extorting better terms from them. That happens often enough to create a Get-Refusal crisis, and a frum public that is willing to support Rabbonim who utilize torture. I have yet to meet a frum Jew who doesn’t personally know women who were extorted for a Get. Those who stood by and did nothing are responsible for the inevitable backlash. Big Mistakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82115678102226707412014-05-21T22:23:31.522+03:002014-05-21T22:23:31.522+03:00Here is a solution. Take Joe up on his offer and, ...Here is a solution. Take Joe up on his offer and, assuming all parties consent, record the conversation so that we all may hear it. Then there will no more confusion.<br /><br />I suggest that you ask specifically if Tamar is free to marry today.<br /><br />If the Rav says yes, then please ask him for the reasoning behind his ruling.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14646409514560151092014-05-21T21:53:38.707+03:002014-05-21T21:53:38.707+03:00Joe
I must commend you for diligence in attemptin...Joe<br /><br />I must commend you for diligence in attempting to hear these things from their source, and you willingness to facilitate that for others as well. <br /><br />Please keep us informed.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57107080215133430812014-05-21T21:13:40.109+03:002014-05-21T21:13:40.109+03:00"Yes." He holds Tamar Epstein can remarr..."Yes." He holds Tamar Epstein can remarry without a Get.<br /><br />"No." He holds Tamar Epstein is not "free."<br /><br />Can anyone ever say with certainty in advance what someone else will say?<br /><br />Rabbi Shalom Kamenetsky indicated to me that Tamar Epstein was permitted to remarry. Would Rabbi Shalom Kamenetsky permit Tamar Epstein to remarry in opposition to Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky?<br /><br />What Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky will say in response to your asking him, "Can Tamar Epstein remarry today?" is something we can only find out by your asking the question.<br /><br />(301) 754-1128. If I don't pick up, please leave a message and I'll get back to you, or please try again a little later.Joe Orlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01647300462644754688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83686979320053945422014-05-21T20:44:15.297+03:002014-05-21T20:44:15.297+03:00ORA publiclly stated that an "anonymous"...ORA publiclly stated that an "anonymous" donor paid for the billboards against mr f. The assumption is that the E family paid for that, as well as the busses usedto bus "demonsttrators" against the f family (which they also admitted was donated.<br /><br />Thus RHS has a financial interest in the e family, which should be disclosed. Not that RHS needs a finanCial interest, as he is personally amenable to such actions.MiMedinat HaYamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12873881615861319718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33903301231281055992014-05-21T20:19:45.512+03:002014-05-21T20:19:45.512+03:00James:
False! The Epsteins helped found the Kolle...James:<br /><br />False! The Epsteins helped found the Kollel.<br /><br />Here's what "Curious" posted:<br /><br />http://www.phillykollel.org/15th-annual-lecture.html<br /><br />The Dr. David E Epstein z"l Memorial Lecture.<br /><br />Dr. David Epstein, MD was one of the Kollel's founders as well as the President of the Board of Directors from 2002-2004. His contribution throughout every stage of our growth were key to the successes that nurtured the Kollel from a once-fledgling organization into the community bastion of Torah learning that it is today. Dr. Epstein was a consummate physician, a model builder of Torah and community, and most of all a loving son, husband and father. A dedication plaque in his memory graces the Beis Medrash entrance in our lobby. In recognition of his integral role in our history, we name the Annual Lecture event "The Dr. David E Epstein z'1 Memorial Lecture." We hope it will provide an additional source of merit to his neshama for many years to come.Upsetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14417809647090193472014-05-21T20:07:45.258+03:002014-05-21T20:07:45.258+03:00Chezkas -
And let's say he hems and haws and o...Chezkas -<br />And let's say he hems and haws and obfuscate?. What does that prove?<br /><br />That we unfortunately have certain Gedolim that are not unlike that proverbial "Rov" who said to belligerent Baalei Din that EACH one is right... and then told a confused observer that e too is right - that it's really impossible for both to be right?<br /><br />Are you saying that our Emunas Tzadikim needs to stay intact even when RK is not willing to state his position clearly and syill allows his name to be used to besmirch the hallachically innocent husband?<br /><br />Who was Matir the husband's blood????<br /><br />Is Emunas Tzadikim a heter for הלבנת פני חבירו ברבים???<br /><br />Is all of Choshen Mishpot dead??? Upsetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57947074844866695342014-05-21T17:51:13.398+03:002014-05-21T17:51:13.398+03:00I suspect the Kamenetzky's are trying to bluff...I suspect the Kamenetzky's are trying to bluff the husband into giving the get. By giving the impression that a Get isn't even necessary and only "lechumra", they might feel they can trick him into complying. dopaminenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32522111940951691502014-05-21T17:16:31.925+03:002014-05-21T17:16:31.925+03:00The first sentence/paragraph asserts that RSK and ...The first sentence/paragraph asserts that RSK and RHS acted inappropriate because of their personal and/or financial connection to the Epsteins. That is completely untrue. RHS had no personal or financial connection to the Epsteins prior to this incident. <br /><br />So, you may disagree with his halachic decisions but to imply that he is twisting halacha because of a personal or financial motive is complete nonsense.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37736681373989660522014-05-21T17:12:27.003+03:002014-05-21T17:12:27.003+03:00Houston, we have a Problem
The mishneh zogt, Beik...Houston, we have a Problem<br /><br />The mishneh zogt, Beikvosei demeshichei chutzpe yasgei, yasgei Big Time mashme. We have Ziknei mamrei, Beis Din Chotzuf, klovim rule, Money yeaver, Cattle prods matriach H'kbh to form tzuras mamzerim, Hatores nedorim of eishes ish behetech petech meah vearboim ra bonim, Moitzoe shem ra's, umotzi assirim upoideh menuvolim bepidyon shvuyim bakessef molei, umatirei kol minei assurim of toras imecho, ma'achilei neveilos utreifos veshorei lan kevosei be'muter muter, busser busser, kusher kusher, hefker petrushke hefker, vekol shaar minei divrei bela. Oy no lonu, shuolim 'gedeilim' mechablim bakromim, umarbitzei pirchochim be'egrof resha, marbitzei glollim shel yoisher ('phooey') al gabei tilei tilim shetzachanoso oileh kigraf shel rei'i. Oy ledor she'eilu manhigov, veoy va'avoy shekach olso lo beyomov. veze rak miktzas shvochov.<br /><br />And that is all I have to say, betzaar uvyogoin rav becherposeinu.Houston, we have a Problemnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74206434381220577032014-05-21T17:09:36.985+03:002014-05-21T17:09:36.985+03:00Mr. Orlow:
Before we do this conference call are ...Mr. Orlow:<br /><br />Before we do this conference call are you willing to publicly state here on this public forum that you are confident that Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky shlit"a will reply "YES" when he is asked "Can Tamar Epstein remarry today?"<br /><br />If so, state here your confidence that will be his response. If not, let that be reflected on the record here.Chezkas Kashrusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23478647132620788082014-05-21T15:47:00.034+03:002014-05-21T15:47:00.034+03:00Something has to be done to stop baseless lies aga...Something has to be done to stop baseless lies against men. In the meir kin lonna kin case too, the seiruv was issued from a kangaroo court comprising of herschel schachter, avrohom union and nochum sauer. These court does not exist but was huddled together just one time and without sending meir any hazmonos, issues a seiruv against him. everybody has totally ignored a letter issued by rabbi ginzburg from Agudas Harabonim Bais din warning other rabbis not to issue a seiruv as Lonna Kin had him Gagged by court order to prevent him from revealing to a bais Din what she has done at home. Her manipulation of the civil courts and Bais Din system explains why he got a Heter Mea Rabbonim and remarried in March 2014 after leaving a GET. Unfortunately ORA wants to keep her as a poster child and she still today refuses to negotiate an end. Therefore it is ORA who creates these "self-made agunas" and misleads the public to believe that there is an Aguna crisis in America todayShmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60820702957269045262014-05-21T14:59:20.395+03:002014-05-21T14:59:20.395+03:00Joe!
Beautifully stated.
Staright as an arrow!Joe!<br /><br />Beautifully stated.<br /><br />Staright as an arrow!A Breadth of Fresh Airnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-25898940886247222702014-05-21T14:58:47.328+03:002014-05-21T14:58:47.328+03:00Joe - Beautiful retort!
Straight as an arrow!Joe - Beautiful retort!<br /><br />Straight as an arrow!A Breadth of Fresh Airnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65026975338741294422014-05-21T14:57:17.119+03:002014-05-21T14:57:17.119+03:00There was once a rav that used to give heter hoiro...There was once a rav that used to give heter hoiro'oh for bachurim that studied for it, after having them farherd of course. They mamesh learnt it "Lah Lishmah", just to be able to do a better shiduch. Of course it is only echod me'elef lehoiro'oh, and they paid a hefty sum for the test and for the "Ksav" when they truly deserved it. The money had to be paid up front, and the other 999 also got something for their monies worth. For them it so stated, that "after farhering R' such and such", I can assure that if he continued studying torah he will grow into a godol beyisroel. That is as if to say, for the time being no dice, if you get my drift. The same applies here with "Get Lechumre", that after all the hevel havolim and pilpulim shel doifi and concocting up a witches brew with nameless and factless makeh beseser beilum shem type entities and after reciting and chanting the lachash belohotehem of 'Abracadabra'אברא כדברא , she is "FREE", provided she gets a "Get LechAmre". Of course, till then, teshev ad shetalbin sa'aroh, is the key my friend. Do me a favor, Tze ubasser lasussim vachamorim. A simple example of, Back to square one. If you still didn't get it, here is something to clarify. read on:<br /><br />Every other day, there is someone claiming to have invented the ultimate mouse trap. This guy came up with his brilliant version of a contraption. You buy a pack of his magic potion of salt, tickle the mouse till he starts laughing, and while having his mouth still open, pour the salt into his mouth and 'walla', good riddens. Comes along this wise man of chelem and asks, "if you already have the mouse captured, you can easily get rid of it in many other imaginable ways, why do I need the salt for? The inventor grants him, Yes of course my son, that is also feasible. Shushan Purimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89330652911144790782014-05-21T10:37:48.898+03:002014-05-21T10:37:48.898+03:00but... you forgot to advocate systematic paternity...but... you forgot to advocate systematic paternity tests for chatan and kallah, before every marriage, in order to avoid the other mamzerim. You know, the real mamzerim, the cukoo children whose father is not the one who thinks he is.<br /><br />So I cannot take you seriously.Patiencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81664438784880956052014-05-21T10:22:14.875+03:002014-05-21T10:22:14.875+03:00Chezkas Kashrus,
My phone number is (301) 754-112...Chezkas Kashrus,<br /><br />My phone number is (301) 754-1128.<br /><br />Call me.<br /><br />With you on the line, I will call the Talmudical Yeshiva of Philadelphia.<br /><br />You will ask Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky: "Can Tamar Epstein remarry today?"Joe Orlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01647300462644754688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8528756055294681912014-05-21T03:16:24.370+03:002014-05-21T03:16:24.370+03:00You're free to feel differently. The rest of u...You're free to feel differently. The rest of us know the truth as I expounded it.Chezkas Kashrusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15993659173049277502014-05-21T03:15:30.491+03:002014-05-21T03:15:30.491+03:00Yes, I read Joe Orlow. He was unsure himself in hi...Yes, I read Joe Orlow. He was unsure himself in his recollection of part of the conversation he had. He was not definitive and was making assumptions. <br /><br />No one has ever provided direct word for word quotes from Rabbi Kaminetzky where he unambiguously said he believes Epstein can remarry today.Chezkas Kashrusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70062075622959959852014-05-21T02:28:31.778+03:002014-05-21T02:28:31.778+03:00Chezkas,
Have you read what ORA said ???? Who ar...Chezkas,<br />Have you read what ORA said ???? Who are they relying upon ????? Did you read the conversation that Joe Orlow had ???? Or did you just wake up today and ,like the rest of us, assume that it is so prepopsterous he couldn't have said it ?lost the chezkas kashrusnoreply@blogger.com