tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6340827558530115436..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: The Seminary Scandal and Halacha by Rabbi Yair HoffmanDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50153516595829913702014-07-24T14:57:25.852+03:002014-07-24T14:57:25.852+03:00Weinberger was disqualified by all - besides for t...Weinberger was disqualified by all - besides for the all-knowing Chaim Yisroel Haleivi. <br /><br /><br />My email to Rabbi Hoffman was about two cases in which it is very hard to say that Motty Wolmarks actions were altruistic. One involved a relative of his. Yes, he may have started the whole shebang with a higher purpose. His sister Rachel's case may have pushed him into action. Maybe. Maybe he wanted to make a name for himself within Judiasim. Maybe. Maybe a combination of both, and some other reasons. Maybe.That does not, in any way, justify his later indiscretions. If he has caused untold damage to children, then why should we defend him? Who will stand up for those children? Who will stand up for the next generation, and prevent another ten Wolmarks and Epsteins from operating?<br /><br /><br />Look what has happened with the ORA tactics. Any spoiled woman can now go and indiscriminately pull off their tactics. Look at the Stein-Weiss case.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21543870512632265732014-07-24T05:52:11.070+03:002014-07-24T05:52:11.070+03:00Rabbi We was disqualified by (almost) all local ra...Rabbi We was disqualified by (almost) all local rabbonim. Rabbi Wo has big $ , and his family has no problem distributing it out. And he can always be counted on to take care of women problem s. Question is, if a male congregant (or son of one) had a problem, did he not take the c as e, out of deference to five towns?MiMedinat HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20992394691743146972014-07-23T20:41:12.564+03:002014-07-23T20:41:12.564+03:00More like a matter of opinion; as is evident. Not ...More like a matter of opinion; as is evident. Not all have reached the same conclusion nor do they have to. The attitude of 'my way or the highway' has no place amongst Batei Dinim.ashernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3564982927006182662014-07-23T20:23:51.021+03:002014-07-23T20:23:51.021+03:00Thank you. I wrote him an email.
Speaking of his...Thank you. I wrote him an email.<br /><br /><br />Speaking of his back yard, Zevy Wolfson lived in his back yard (and some family is still there). Could this be why he chose to defend a Wolfson, while he chose to be quiet about Weinberger?Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15508676610039671482014-07-23T10:54:40.075+03:002014-07-23T10:54:40.075+03:00@asher the obvious flaw in your argument regarding...@asher the obvious flaw in your argument regarding the Israeli beis din is that they have already concluded that the seminaries are safe. The prudent course would be to tentatively accept the conclusion of the Chicago Beis Din until they have completed their investigation. They naively think that officially removing Meisels has removed the danger. Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58922012193970091582014-07-23T10:00:12.329+03:002014-07-23T10:00:12.329+03:005) The Chicago Beis Din has 'spent more than t...5) The Chicago Beis Din has 'spent more than three months' etc. Doesn't the Israel Beis Din need time as well? Chicago Beis Din seems to call on the Israel Beis Din on 7/10/14. The Israel Beis Din writes what seems like an interim letter on 7/13/14. Point (ג) on their letter states they are continuing their investigation to address the essence of the complaint. This article is on the 7/22/14 - a mere 9 days!<br /><br />Is the Israel Beis Din expected to act like a 'rubber stamp' without reasonable due diligence? And to abstain from any difference with their counterpart in Chicago?ashernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55878118710155771042014-07-23T04:14:28.319+03:002014-07-23T04:14:28.319+03:00I just came across an interesting ?coincidence? T...I just came across an interesting ?coincidence? The original owner of yeshiva kol torah in monsey, which was involved in a similar scandal (but undoubtedly adults) has the same last name as the grandparents of this accused.MiMedinat HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39066521631882766222014-07-23T04:10:33.896+03:002014-07-23T04:10:33.896+03:00Juse like the head of the chicago bet din wants hi...Juse like the head of the chicago bet din wants his way, he is now angry that the Israeli bet din did not go his way.<br /><br />Interesting, his regular bet din has a policy of not going along with ANY other bet din. Here he did, and they did not go along with him. I guess he will never do that again.MiMedinat HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-439535619337901642014-07-22T19:41:28.850+03:002014-07-22T19:41:28.850+03:00While this article is written, by far grater sensi...While this article is written, by far grater sensitivity, than the previous posts on this very sad and painful matter. The following troubles me still:<br /><br />1) 'The Beis Din has handled the situation <br />with a strength and sensitivity' etc. seems unilateral if it is only directed to one of the Beis Dins involved. This sadly confirms the above paragraph 'Our Ineffectiveness'.<br /><br />2) The Beis Din originaly writes 'allegations', - this could be understood as unconfirmed. Justice deserves a conclusive statement does it not? This article when describing the Beis Din's proceedings sounds more convincing and sure of the facts that the Beis Din's letter! What happened to 'Sunshine is the best disinfectant' ?<br /><br />3) While the writer touches on the apparent difference in opinion between the two Batei Dinim stating: 'serious reservations about how the matter was being handled'. This alone should disturb all who truly seek justice on this matter. Justice could never be reached on 'uncertain' ground - no matter the severity of the crime, if anything, even more of a consensus is needed for justice to reign.<br /><br />4) The Chicago Beis Dins writes about what seems like jurisdiction when introducing the Israel Beis Din, calls every one of its members by name, adding 'has assumed responsibility on this matter'. All indicate endorsement and trust in their capacity to take matters to heart. This is now being presented with unclear 'serious reservations' to the public. What happened? Is the public invited to speculate on this as well?ashernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78667567656928732312014-07-22T10:49:08.275+03:002014-07-22T10:49:08.275+03:00http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/beis-din-d...http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/beis-din-decides-seminary-owner-meisels.htmlDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41282577682630508232014-07-22T05:04:19.502+03:002014-07-22T05:04:19.502+03:00What was the scandal?What was the scandal?halevinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17090633610574949202014-07-22T04:59:14.465+03:002014-07-22T04:59:14.465+03:00I agree with Shlomo. Yes Rabbi Hoffman I have seen...I agree with Shlomo. Yes Rabbi Hoffman I have seen you stand on the sidelines when men are being bashed by women in regards to gittin . What happened to lo saamod al Dam reecha? Why are the Gittin cases handled different? Is it because the rabbis kiss up to the feminists? Where do women who lie about a Bais din issuing a non-existent seiruv, women who obtain gag orders against their husbands to prevent them from having a fair din torah get a free card from ORA, and from other rabbis to prosecute their husbands in the socialmedia and to kick them out of shuls? Are you rabbi hoffman going to do anything to defend these men?fedupwithcorruptrabbisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16803137908663310842014-07-22T02:02:42.646+03:002014-07-22T02:02:42.646+03:00The author is right,
but I do have a question.
Wh...The author is right, <br />but I do have a question.<br />Why no comment from him on the similar story in his own backyard that was going on about a half year ago?<br />Also, on the Chilul Hashem of last year involving forced Gittin, there was an editorial praising some of the protagonists in that they were defending defenseless women.<br />Even though obviously all they were doing was beatings and bullying for money (there was no woman, they didn't even bother to check the story)<br />Is sunshine the best medicine for all scandals or only a select few?Shlomonoreply@blogger.com