tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6039719294262339987..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Title IX's Impact :College (Seminary) sexual abuse programs are replacing the police & criminal system with psychotherapy and expulsion - strongly reducing a man's presumed status of innocenceDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90097625148502861072014-12-17T14:01:38.557+02:002014-12-17T14:01:38.557+02:00@Joseph Orlow - you are assuming that the only thi...@Joseph Orlow - you are assuming that the only thing of value in Peninim USA is Meisels access and/or control of Israeli Seminaries. Is that in fact true?<br /><br />Perhaps he is holding on to it simply because it has monetary value to others? I don't know the actual significance of Peninim USA and obviously neither do you or Lopin.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68571046080892600492014-12-17T13:17:25.917+02:002014-12-17T13:17:25.917+02:00Why is he holding on to the U.S. corporation if he...Why is he holding on to the U.S. corporation if he's not interested in getting back into business?Joseph Orlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30926784184819329452014-12-16T18:26:34.413+02:002014-12-16T18:26:34.413+02:00@Joseph Orlow - you sound like a lawyer. The origi...@Joseph Orlow - you sound like a lawyer. The original agreement with the CBD and Meisels is that he would not have a role in the running of the seminary -but that he could still own it. No contact with the students. Then when the IBD got involved the concern was that he shouldn't have ownership either. The ownership talked about was the amuta - the non-profit Israeli corporation of the seminaries. Since it is a non-profit the amuta can not itself be sold but the various privledges associated running it are worth something.<br /><br />Meisels has been official removed from the Amuta. Does your blogger have any evidence at all that Meisles is violating the conditions that were set by the IBD and CBD? <br /><br />That is the only question that matters and I haven't heard that Meisels is in fact violating the agreementDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20457666224187169652014-12-16T17:47:29.582+02:002014-12-16T17:47:29.582+02:00In the letter, the expression "giving up his ...In the letter, the expression "giving up his assets" lends itself to several meanings. On the surface, "assets" means, in the context of the previous sentence in the letter, Pninim of America, Inc. that is, the assets of this corporation. That interpretation has three difficulties.<br /><br />(1) The U.S. corporation of Pninim probably has minimal assets. It could be a shell corporation, with the sole purpose of raising funds for the seminaries in Eretz Yisrael. We might expect the assets to be some office furniture, and maybe some cash in the bank -- not things that I find anyone would be seriously interested in spending a lot of time getting their hands on, since presumably most of the monies that come through it are immediately channeled to the seminaries overseas.<br /><br />(2) People don't generally own assets of a corporation. On the other hand, the way the seminaries were organized in Eretz Yisrael may make it possible for an individual to own the assets.<br /><br />(3) Up until now, most discussion on this blog has referred to Rabbi Meisels giving up his seminaries in Eretz Yisrael. You mention as much in your comment. And in this letter, first the lawyers speak of Rabbi Meisel's giving up "control", and then separately they mention "giving up his assets." While these two terms may be synonymous, I think they can reasonably be understood otherwise.<br /><br />None of this is to challenge whatever the Bais Din has stated. What is relevant here is Rabbi Meisel's understanding of agreements he entered into. If Rabbi Meisel believes he has retained control and/or assets in connection with the seminaries, I think that should be investigated.Joseph Orlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58101002174439239992014-12-16T16:36:31.663+02:002014-12-16T16:36:31.663+02:00@Joseph Orlow - the evidence used for the claim is...@Joseph Orlow - the evidence used for the claim is based on a letter referring to Peninim USA. The blogger who cited the letter did not establish that this organization is connected to the seminaries and is therefore in violation of the agreement. <br /><br />One would think that before screaming fire [or implying that major rabbis connected with this issue are all liars ] in a crowded theater full of nervous people - that elementary fact would be established.<br /><br /> If it is in fact connected I will be glad to obtain the information you requested - if it is not one would hope the irresponsible individual who made the claim would apologize.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85307249993191622102014-12-16T16:25:16.252+02:002014-12-16T16:25:16.252+02:00Can someone kindly provide contact information for...Can someone kindly provide contact information for Rabbi Birnbaum and/or the Vaad? A recent legal document elsewhere online seems to indicate that Rabbi Meisels has control of his purported former seminaries. Can anyone argue that this shouldn't be brought to the attention of those who act in the role of protectors of the seminaries?Joseph Orlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44803936966408913652014-12-14T22:14:35.378+02:002014-12-14T22:14:35.378+02:00@Joseph Orlow - you arguments make sense only when...@Joseph Orlow - you arguments make sense only when there is no major change.Reb Birnbaum has been introduced into the system as well as a vaad of Rabbonim. In addition the staff has undergone training by Debbie Gross and have new guidelines that cause them to perceive things in a different way. Therefore the schools are not dangerous - but staff in other seminaries could fit your model Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18508756773430336522014-12-14T20:38:40.820+02:002014-12-14T20:38:40.820+02:00Clicking through the link in the article for the b...Clicking through the link in the article for the book "Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me"), I was introduced to another book "The Invisible Gorilla: How Our Intuition Deceives Us." This latter book serves as an explanation how a school staff could miss obvious signs of abuse by an administrator. The book one and same times provides a basis for vindicating the staff and a basis for considering the school still dangerous.<br /><br />The book's premise is reminiscent of the Ramchal's introduction to Mesillas Yesharim. In my own words, people can be so confident they will perceive something that they actually neglect to perceive it. In other words, a staff can be so confident they would pick up signs of abuse, that they could actually miss the signs completely. Thus, the staff can be telling the truth when they say they detected nothing out of order.<br /><br />And precisely because they may be prone to overconfidence, they are likely to miss the same type of signs in the future. Thus, the schools remain dangerous.<br /><br />Have you ever noticed that some of those who disturb the Davening in Shul by talking are the selfsame people loudly "shushing" others? I think that these talkers think that because they are confident that they are the defenders of the honor of the Shul that they thus cannot possibly be guilty of talking out of place and driving away the Shechina.Joseph Orlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38701791409270363962014-12-14T19:32:17.260+02:002014-12-14T19:32:17.260+02:00After building a society and economy built on stok...After building a society and economy built on stoking the animalistic side of Mankind, Americans now want the beasts they've brought up to act like lambs. Sorry Uncle Sam, Americans do not want social mores in good taste, they want bacchanalia that feels good. (With apologies to Starkist.)Joseph Orlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55984002552731958152014-12-14T19:24:18.899+02:002014-12-14T19:24:18.899+02:00"there will be no hearing for the accused&quo..."there will be no hearing for the accused" - Of course there can be no hearing for male defendants, because due process and constitutional rights for men are outmoded patriarchal concepts, and only serve to enable rapists and abusers of women. The goals of the pagan, totalitarian feminists include replacing all Biblical and Constitutional justice systems (ie remnants of reactionary sexist Patriarchy) with misandrist police state "justice" systems. In the New Age feminist police state all women are presumed to be actual or potential victims of violent, misogynist men, while all men are presumed guilty until proven innocent of violent, sexist, misogyny. <br /><br />Feminists are now implementing on college campuses what has already been largely implemented in many US Family Courts-an insane misandrist kangaroo court "justice" system. In the so-called "Orthodox" Jewish world, feminist groups like the YU based ORA group have implemented their own versions of New Age feminist "justice" systems, with a thin veneer of "Judaism" to create an appearance of legitimacy.TruthSeekerJewnoreply@blogger.com