tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post5977792439420816637..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rav Sternbuch: The nature of the prohibition of not accepting lashon harahDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64303771080994111922022-03-18T15:12:12.416+02:002022-03-18T15:12:12.416+02:00Sometimes "you" or a judge, or anyone ne...Sometimes "you" or a judge, or anyone needs to weigh 2 competeting claims. A person is a rasha/rapist/adulterer or a Tzaddik. usually, somebody else makes the complaint, and the individual in question denies and claims to be a Tzaddik. If they have good connections, the flock will support his story. <br /><br /><br /><br />There is a logical problem, therefore, with the basic principle of the Chafetz Chaim. It is arbitrarily assuming that X is a Tzaddik, in which case, Y (who makes the alelgation) is a rasha. If this is so, then it is a failure in Jewish jurisprudence.Kalonymus HaQatannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18190236600206730482013-05-27T10:28:33.298+03:002013-05-27T10:28:33.298+03:00David said...@Recpients and Publicity There is a s...David said...@Recpients and Publicity There is a some logic to your argument. Also note the large annual pilgrimage to Uman. As for the Belzer wedding, the wedding in the 'royal' family happens once every decade. It is very infrequent."<br /><br />Obviously the point is not just "one" wedding, but it is symbolic about the way, especially among Chasidim in particular, there is a clear dichotomy between what they plead (mostly "poverty" and need for governmental/socialistic "help") on the one hand and on the other hand they will spend limitless amounts of money to do what they imagine is the "bidding" of their Rebbes. Thus Belzers, Gerrers and others, do not only splurge on "royal weddings" and other events they deem important but they make several trips a year to spend Yom Tov and other simchas with their Rebbes (dead or alive) regardless of how many tens of millions it costs to get there. Then they have to pay their Rebbes a "pidyon" when they get the "yehidus" and it's huge amounts of funds that get sucked in to the Rebbe's accounts where there is no accountability and zero transparency. No one dares to question the Rebbes where they get the funds and how much they spend of themselves, their families, their own living and travel expenses. After all if they are all "malchus" so then how dare simple "peasants" and plebeians question one as holy as a Rebbe who is speaking for the Eibishter Himself. <br /><br />Before this Belzer wedding, there were trips abroad by the Belzer Rebbe's son to raise money for the upcoming wedding, trips to ancestral graveyards in the Ukraine, and trips to graves from the Galil to Chevron with retinues of hundreds if not thousands at each event. There are plenty of other events such as lavish Bar Mitvas, Yohr Tzeits, and days celebrating various "liberations" and "salvations" not to mention all the regular Yomim Tovim that tens of thousands spend tens of millions each year -- all for what??? But in the meantime, millions of frum PEOPLE in Israel are living in below the poverty line. Chasidic and Charedi kids are crammed into one bedroom homes, families don't get the proper health care and nutrition, as well as dressing in shmattes, all while the "elite" runs around worshiping dead and living Rebbes and spending heavy tens of millions on DELUSIONS and CHALOMES.<br /><br />Is this not a perversion of Chesed? Is it not a display of cruelty? Is this not in defiance of the Torah that warns against such things and asks that the poor and orphaned and the widowed be cared for first? Look into the Tanach and see what happened to all those fancy kings in the end!!!<br /><br />It is actually crazy, but in the very same frum publications that publicize this partying (all the leshem Shomayim of course) by Chasidim there are also simultaneously ads pleading for Tzedaka and help even with pictures of the Belzer Rebbes on it. Then in Israel, they want the secular Jews to take their needs seriously when the Belzer Rebbe throws a bash worthy of HOLLYWOOD, everyone wearing expensive clothing and shtreimels, with cameras rolling from multiple angles and everything stage-managed and stage-crafted to the T. What a bizayon it all is! Yiddishkeit it aint!Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38868564360456786592013-05-24T22:57:29.181+03:002013-05-24T22:57:29.181+03:00@Recpients and Publicity
There is a some logic to...@Recpients and Publicity<br /><br />There is a some logic to your argument. Also note the large annual pilgrimage to Uman.<br /><br />As for the Belzer wedding, the wedding in the 'royal' family happens once every decade. It is very infrequent.<br /><br /><br /><br />Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54996636464403448152013-05-24T11:10:25.044+03:002013-05-24T11:10:25.044+03:00There are all kinds of abuse. Sexual abuse is just...There are all kinds of abuse. Sexual abuse is just one kind. Wasting money at the expense of others is another kind of serious abuse. What is the Halacha is the following scenario? Are the Belzers right or wrong <i>al pi din bazman hazeh</i>? If there is "X" amount of <i>tzibur</i> (public) money and there is a need to make <i>chasuna</i> (wedding) but at the same time there are tens of thousands of <i>aniyim</i> (poor) who need help for basic food and living, what is the right thing to do?<br /><br />It is impossible to accept claims that Charedim are facing financial difficulties in Israel when in full public view the Belzers held a multi-million dollar <i>chasuna</i> (wedding) in the middle of Yerushalayim for a <i>Rebbishe einikel</i> [grandchild] (and far too many other copy-cat this), with tens of millions spent on airfares, accommodations, halls, food, catering, clothing, logistics, etc -- and a strict ban on talking to the media cleverly imposed (such as what if some journalist asks some leading questions like who is paying for this hoopla and extravaganza??) -- when all this wasted money (on an 18 year old pipsqueak) could have been earmarked for the genuinely downtrodden and poor Charedim who need it. <br /><br />Charedim cannot plead poverty and the need for economic help when they spend millions in such lavish displays of conspicuous consumption. <br /><br />That this is the Belzer Rebbe's son's <i>simcha</i> is all the more incongruous because he has been the one to united the various Ashkenazi Charedi factions in the face of threatened cuts of government funding. <br /><br />If Belzers (following orders and without questioning why) can afford to make such lavish weddings in the midst of financially torturous times as the world is in right now, befitting the royal courts of old-time Europe, they cannot also at the same time plead "poverty" and demand that they receive all the benefits from the Israeli welfare state designed by Ben Gurion to help the poor, like the boy who murders his parents and then complains that he is an "orphan" and therefore "needs help"? <br /><br />People see through the hypocrisy and unfortunately it only helps the arguments against the Charedim. <br /><br />If Charedim like the Belzers have so much money to burn, they have no right to ask secular Israelis to give them free handouts. <br /><br />Such powerful Chasidim by the tens of thousands must take their destiny into their own hands and stop asking for handouts and begging for charity when they obviously know how to have a grand old time all by themselves without inviting anyone else to their private/public <i>simchas</i> befitting the heirs of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette and definitely not acting like the <i>yorshim</i> of that poor wagon-drive known as Reb Yisroel Ben Eliezer aka as the Baal Shem Tov founder of genuine Chasidism! <br /><br />Gut Shabbos and happy Sheva Brochas (wonder how much that will costs and exactly who pays for it all and why the money couldn't go to genuine <i>aniyim</i> instead?!)Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45696102564624431122013-05-24T10:44:51.337+03:002013-05-24T10:44:51.337+03:00I don't see how the conclusion is different fr...I don't see how the conclusion is different from what the Chofetz Chayim said.Avraham1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51008791503720481302013-05-24T08:28:09.034+03:002013-05-24T08:28:09.034+03:00Having experienced first hand having loshan hara s...Having experienced first hand having loshan hara spread about me,with no one in the neighborhood speaking to me or even answering a greeting when I passed by, there was actually ONE person and maybe a couple others that were able to uphold this Din. Even people that believed in me were affected by the Loshan Hara in the way that they related to me. I asked this person how he managed continue to treat me as always and he pointed to a picture of the Chofetz Chaim and pointed to a Chumush.observernoreply@blogger.com