tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post5969788567659306097..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rav Gestetner: No need for heter 100 rabbis - minority view?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70662302989528778232022-09-07T09:51:57.987+03:002022-09-07T09:51:57.987+03:00check out the Gestetner Bes Din, SHOCKING
https...check out the Gestetner Bes Din, SHOCKING <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIxnmiA8BaIGuest Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-86657940231559734702012-10-28T11:52:40.707+02:002012-10-28T11:52:40.707+02:00intelligence and a bad & somewhat unstable cha...intelligence and a bad & somewhat unstable character can well cohabit in one person...remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70298158765823759952012-10-28T04:55:11.660+02:002012-10-28T04:55:11.660+02:00Sam you are a disgrace to be bashing someone you d...Sam you are a disgrace to be bashing someone you don't even know. Rav Goldberger has a nice following in Thornhill and at the shul he attends. He learns with so many at the boat shul and and is called upon for Halacha questions by other rabbis in town, and get most alieas to the Torah. Do you have these honors? Are you even Jewish? The filth coming from your mouth would make me think not. Chaimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84755977672393469902012-10-28T02:19:11.452+02:002012-10-28T02:19:11.452+02:00No, they turned their backs against goldberger bec...No, they turned their backs against goldberger because of his background and rap sheet. Con men are not accepted here in Toronto, and if you know him, tell him the people here did a very comprehensive review of him. Hint, ask Rav Aeurbach what he thinks of him.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23262672871381377152012-10-26T10:56:17.519+02:002012-10-26T10:56:17.519+02:00Yes, that's how a cherem works, in general. In...Yes, that's how a cherem works, in general. In this sense, the whole "jewish system" is corrupt, since financial interests are more or less the only means of exerting pressure...Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60596632222561264632012-10-26T10:53:58.311+02:002012-10-26T10:53:58.311+02:00not such a good idea. he will earn himself a conde...not such a good idea. he will earn himself a condemnation for polygamy...Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35091883663159282882012-10-26T06:32:27.622+02:002012-10-26T06:32:27.622+02:00I don't think Toronto will miss any of you tze...I don't think Toronto will miss any of you tzedakah. This is one of the wealthiest Jewish communities in the world and they have plenty of donors tI fund everything from schools to the halocaust museum. Rav Miller controls these people, and it is well known that the people who have turned their backs against Rabbi Goldberger did it out of their own financial interests....a good example is Bobov, who gets huge checks every month from the establishment. It's a very corrupt system.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85638900659437601192012-10-26T02:12:16.492+02:002012-10-26T02:12:16.492+02:00After hearing about this case I will no longer be ...After hearing about this case I will no longer be supporting any Toronto institutions. This place is gehenim to spill the blood of a geyorus and mistreat a great Torah scholar.Menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70040391946323551572012-10-26T01:56:01.585+02:002012-10-26T01:56:01.585+02:00A lawyer has been appointed recently in Israel to ...A lawyer has been appointed recently in Israel to handle the morados. The truth will come out when her history is spewed all over these blogs. This woman not only stole Ahrons apartment, she is also cheating the welfare system by not reporting her windfall from Rabbi Goldberger. She is greedy and all this will backfire. Ahron should go after his kid she is not well enough to look after him. Just ask the neighbors!Upsetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21819100335122970542012-10-25T23:07:35.669+02:002012-10-25T23:07:35.669+02:00Sam is an utter disgrace. He cannot even post the ...Sam is an utter disgrace. He cannot even post the so-called siruv against Goldberger but just carries on with his personalk attacks. It is pretty clear that the lakewood bais din sees from a halachik point of view that he is allowed to hsave remarried and it invented some cooling down period for the wife which is its own artifical creation. they guy never broke the cheirem of rabeinu gershom because it doesn't apply here since wife is a moredes and this is clear from the lakewood bais din's psak.<br /><br />I cannot see any justification for the hate and filth spewed here by Sam which is baseless. He should admit his ties in this case because it is clear that he is not objective and because he can't argue with the facts resorts to repeating over and over again how Toronto won't tolerate someone who didn't even break any halocho as if the people there are such big tzaddikim or something.<br /><br />There is no cheirem on the man and Sam et al.s protests are based on some other emotive vitriol which they have yet to provide any logical expalanation for.<br /><br />If the man owes his wife money as they claim let her be mazmin him to an objective bais din which clearly in his case won't be found on Canadian shores. She certainly cannot prevent him from moving on with his life and neither can the pathetic Sam.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46828988912772438322012-10-25T22:13:02.081+02:002012-10-25T22:13:02.081+02:00Goldberger did win the dismisal of the indictment
...Goldberger did win the dismisal of the indictment<br /><br />"For the reasons stated below, Goldberger's motion to suppress is granted, however, the government will be afforded the opportunity to demonstrate an independent basis for its prosecution, failing which, the single count indictment will be dismissed."Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50039928913634819042012-10-25T21:55:14.894+02:002012-10-25T21:55:14.894+02:00Well, it looks to me as if he used his "frum ...Well, it looks to me as if he used his "frum uniform" to cater to a non-frum (kiruv?) audience. Now I don't know if a person who was put in cherem at least twice by different batey din, who was married seven times, who repeatedly refused to pay child support, who was indicted or convicted for several offenses should be the ideal shaliach to represent "torah-true judaism" to outsiders... <br /><br />But come to think of it, there are more than one "out-of-town-kiruv-workers" who went out of town because they had to...<br /><br /><br />by the way: I think it is Kol halashon... Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56097785716609030152012-10-25T21:43:23.810+02:002012-10-25T21:43:23.810+02:00BH we have Rabonim that will stand up to what'...BH we have Rabonim that will stand up to what's right. Let him stay in Monsey where he can get the beis din to do what he wants. In Toronto, if you decide to make up your own halacha or go against what is normal, like running away from your wife and marrying another, you will be shunned. I guess in Monsey it's OK. He won't be able to collect the thousands of dollars he needs, so why bother coming back.<br />anyways, here is a nice read between him and a judge,<br />http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=19931284837FSupp447_11198.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84075651119534752602012-10-25T19:21:48.672+02:002012-10-25T19:21:48.672+02:00Reb Goldberger has a strong support network worldw...Reb Goldberger has a strong support network worldwide, just unfortunately not in his wife's city Toronto. On 4 continents he had run Shuls, given shirum (he has over 200 on chol Haloshan website), and contributed so much to helping people in need of chizack. If his wife would agree to moving to Boro Park or Monsey they would have a beautiful life without all of Shlomo Millers hate and influence.Abrahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3236897572528930182012-10-25T17:57:42.641+02:002012-10-25T17:57:42.641+02:00Actually, back in 1990, ahron raised over 100'...Actually, back in 1990, ahron raised over 100'000$ for lawyers, but at the same time, he claimed he had not revenues what so ever (to pay child support) it's all in the court papers.<br /><br />this is one reason why I think he is a more than dubious caracter: the community has to give tzadaka for his trials and appelas, but he can not raise money to give his own children bread to eat?<br /><br />the beith Din orders him to give a get and pay child support, yet he refuses to do so and still claims to be a very frum yid?<br /><br />There are just things that don't fit tougether.<br /><br />"All his wives were bipolar"<br />so why, after having escaped from the first "bipolar" wife, did he marry "bipolar" wives nr, 2, 3, 4, etc? I think he has a very, very manipulative character (it says so in some court papers and Rabbis who had to do with him say the same)... therefore, I give at least as much credibility to his wives as to him.<br /><br />Look at the shiurim he has on his facebook site: he says that the human being has to submit to hashem's will, yet he never bowed to the will of a beith din. Is there any congruence between his deeds and what he preaches? None!<br /><br />Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60654649356637458922012-10-25T13:27:16.229+02:002012-10-25T13:27:16.229+02:00If Ahron had the money for lawyers, he never would...If Ahron had the money for lawyers, he never would have had these problems in his past and present. All his wives were bipolar, and the one causing all the trouble in Israel has a history of her own with how she treated her 2 prior ex husbands. The community created these problems for Ahron. If someone would step up to the plate and hire him an attorney that woman would be forced to accept the get. She's acting like this because she can get away with it. And no one is helping.Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43822152861649173692012-10-25T12:48:46.233+02:002012-10-25T12:48:46.233+02:00There are typically two reasons cited for not aski...There are typically two reasons cited for not asking another posek after you received an answer from the first 1) Asking a posek a question implies that you are taking an oath to abide by what he says - as long as it is not a blatant error -dvar mishna. 2) It is disrespectful to the first beis din. <br /><br />Thus if a person tells posek 1 I just want your opinion - then he is not bound by it 2 If the second beis din is aware what the first one says but feels that it is erroneous then if they rule then their opinion can be followed. However according to both views a second beis din that did not know that the issue had already been poskened - can not produce a useable psak.<br /><br />The other scenario is if a person knows how the beis din has ruled in the passed and he deliberately chooses the beis din that gives him the psak he wants - that is problematic but is not wrong and the psak is still valid.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61107003919811833592012-10-25T09:52:21.072+02:002012-10-25T09:52:21.072+02:00If you approve of polygamy, fine, but normative as...If you approve of polygamy, fine, but normative ashkenazy judaism has ruled it out 1000 years ago. So if yo insist on having 1000 wives like shlomo hamelech, you are definitely outside the realm of ashkenazy halacha in our time.<br /><br />The torah explicitly forbids having an affair with a married woman. So the fact that David haMelech did it does not mean it was allowed.<br /><br />Aron Goldberger was put in Cherem, or shunned, as soon as 1990 by a London and a Lakewood beith din, because he refused to grant a get to the wife he had back then. He also refused to pay child support for the six children he had back then. In the civil court proceedings from that time, he states that he has never earned money at age 32, and that his father-in-law is supposed to provide for his six children.<br /><br />Any Ketuba states explicitly that the groom promises to support his future children. Jewish law says that a man who fails to support his family is not a man. How can a person with such a background be considered g-d fearing?<br /><br />His present actions are so coherent with his actions 20 years ago that it is not easy to believe he did t'shuva.<br /><br />I do suppose he is intelligent, he might even learn easily, but obviously, he uses his brains in the wrong way.Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74782316585819324512012-10-25T04:31:05.585+02:002012-10-25T04:31:05.585+02:00Sam is probably Rav Miller's son who created m...Sam is probably Rav Miller's son who created many problems for Aron and his wife.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43428821146705788022012-10-25T04:17:24.231+02:002012-10-25T04:17:24.231+02:00That's 13 and a half children. The new wife i...That's 13 and a half children. The new wife is expecting.Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11322731505454032542012-10-25T00:28:28.362+02:002012-10-25T00:28:28.362+02:007 marriages, 13 children and counting, according t...7 marriages, 13 children and counting, according to his facebook page... and still an eternal student who just graduated 2011 from ma'alot ha torah...<br />Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80508638352411881142012-10-25T00:10:19.802+02:002012-10-25T00:10:19.802+02:00Sam carries on with his emotional garbage without ...Sam carries on with his emotional garbage without showing us one drop of a reason why he should not. he has no halachic sources just lashon horo and hatred. he is obviously connected to the case or at the very least justifiying the dictatorship of the toronto self appointed religious police.<br /><br />How did Shlomo Hamelech take so many wives and Dovid and they are considered our heroes and i know about the le'sheym shomayim and political reasons stuff? How about yaakov ovinu. <br /><br />Sam keep out of other people's business. I wonder if you are such a holy jew as you would like us to think? stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50757249073086606122012-10-24T20:22:32.390+02:002012-10-24T20:22:32.390+02:00Wow, I just googled his name. This guy has some hi...Wow, I just googled his name. This guy has some history, and not a good one. If anybody had any question that Reb Shlomo was right should read up about him. Go to his Facebook page also. He's married seven times and he's interested in women. Stay away from him.<br />Again, how did this Monsey Beis din give him a heter to get married is beyond words.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49930808259351353682012-10-24T19:59:31.813+02:002012-10-24T19:59:31.813+02:00So basically from the extremely serius charge of v...So basically from the extremely serius charge of violation of halocho made against rav gestetner by the whole of toronto plus a cheirem put someone innnocent we are now down to far more trivial charges of when a bais din mistakenly invents a halocho reqyuiring a husband to wait until his wife cools down is it permissable to have the correct halocho applied by a second bais din.<br /><br />Shame on you Sam. You made very serious but ultimately pie in the sky allegations against rav gestetner previously which you have been totally unable to back up.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17516596465585988292012-10-24T18:52:06.646+02:002012-10-24T18:52:06.646+02:00anyway, that would not be the first time Ahron gol...anyway, that would not be the first time Ahron goldberger would go Beith din hopping. He did it in 1990 with his first divorce too.Remarknoreply@blogger.com