tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post5345037803659180369..comments2024-03-29T06:06:58.796+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rav Kook at Hebrew University - The importance of a University if subordinated to TorahDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-86623872468065721552013-06-27T14:07:00.986+03:002013-06-27T14:07:00.986+03:00~~ According to Rabbi Isaac Hutner, late Rosh Yesh...~~ According to Rabbi Isaac Hutner, late Rosh Yeshiva of Mesivta R. Chaim Berlin, Chaim Weizmann was able to prevail on Rav Kook to attend the inagural ceremony of the Hebrew University by promising him that the critical study of the Hebrew Bible (a la Wellhausen) would not be included in its curriculum. The promise, much to Rav Kook's chagrin, was not honored. See Hayyim Lifshitz, Shivhei ha-Ra'ayah, Jerusalem, 1979, p. 198.<br /><br /><br /><br />3,. Despite his misgivings about the Hebrew University, Rav Kook advised Professor Abraham Adolf Fraenkel ( d. l 965 ), a distinguished German mathematician and Orthodox ] e\v, to accept an appointment to the Hebrew University. Rav Kook explained that "whatever the drawbacks of the Hebrew University, we cannot ignore the obligation to do battle in order to assure a proper presence that will look after the interests of traditional Judaism and increase its influence. Such a goal can be realized only by the appointment of professors who are loyal to traditional Judaism." See Rabbi Moshe Y. Zuriel, ed., Otzerot ha-RaJayah, Tel Aviv, 1993, vol. 4, p~ 190. On Fraenkel, see Yitzhak Raphael, ed., Encyclopaedia of Religious Zionism (Hebrew), Jerusalem., 1971, vol .. 4, columns 440-441.<br />Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55445667463613017822013-06-27T12:39:28.588+03:002013-06-27T12:39:28.588+03:00R kook was promised by weitzman that bible critism...R kook was promised by weitzman that bible critism would not be taught at HU. When he found ouy he was lied to , he had regret that he came.Cohen katannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33212253960450090992013-06-27T11:49:26.906+03:002013-06-27T11:49:26.906+03:00l. For details regarding the inauguration ceremony...<br />l. For details regarding the inauguration ceremony of the Hebrew University, see The Hebrew University Jerusalem: Inauguration April 1, 1925, Jerusalem, 1925. For photographs of Rav Kook at the inauguration ceremony, see ibid., English section, p. 34, and cf. Eli Schiller, ed., First Photographs of Jerusalem: The Old City, (Hebrew), Jerusalem, 1980, p~ 225. <br />[...]<br /><br /><br />4. [....] for the original Hebrew text of Rav Kook's invocation and poem,. see the volume cited above, note 1, Hebrew section, pp .. 15,.18; Rabbi Zvi Yehudah Kook, ed., Divrei ha-Ra», Jerusalem, 1925; Rabbi Abraham Isaac Ha-Kohen Kook, Httzon hci-Geulah .. Jerusalem, 1941, p. 266; Ma'amarei ha-Ra'ayah, Jerusalem, 1984, pp. 306-308; Rabbi Moshe Y. Zuriel, ed., Otzerot haRa'ayah, Tel Aviv, 1988, vol. 2, pp. l l 16·1118; and Rabbi Moshe M. Alharar, Likevodah shel Torah, Jerusalem, 1988, pp. 90·95.[...]<br /><br /><br />Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17976987844525413262013-06-27T09:35:57.014+03:002013-06-27T09:35:57.014+03:00What is the source of this speech? Is this from R...What is the source of this speech? Is this from Rav Kook's seforim?Avrahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45396549306507213482013-06-27T08:13:33.454+03:002013-06-27T08:13:33.454+03:00This has been explained many times...
There never...This has been explained many times...<br /><br />There never really was chareidi opposition to R'Kook's speech. It's a misunderstanding that arose fairly recently, and I'll try to explain.<br /><br />Many of the non-religious were saying that the opening of the University on Mt.Scopus was a fulfillment of the prophecy כי מציון תצא תורה. As you can imagine, this statement was strongly ridiculed and criticized in the Chareidi papers in Europe at the time. <br /><br />Since many people were making this statement, the proclamations against it didn't mention any specific names. They just spoke about how terrible it is that there are "those" that are attributing the establishment of a university to כי מציון.<br /><br />When it came time for R' Kook to speak at the opening ceremonies, he also addressed, and subtly refuted the claim that we can call this a fulfillment in כי מציון. He discussed the fear that Isaiah talks about when the Jew associates with the outside world. He then spelled out what would have to be done to allay the prophets fears. Every single faculty member and student would have to be observant, full with Torah study, and fear of God, etc. <br />Only then, he said, would the Torah not be weakened from the studies in the university. <br /><br />R' Kook concluded "If we do that we will THEN be able to say כי מציון תצא תורה". Meaning, if you want to associate כי מציון תצא תורה to the university , you would have to refer to the Torah that was not hurt by the teachings of Limudei chol. <br /><br />There is no indication that his speech was misunderstood at the time.<br /><br />The tumult arose many years later by chareidi historians. They knew that R'Kook mentioned כי מציון. When they came across in old newspapers the scathing attacks made "at those that were saying כי מציון, they erroneously assumed it referred to R' Kook.concernedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725433166043905160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39564674860520731242013-06-27T08:12:46.458+03:002013-06-27T08:12:46.458+03:00This has been explained many times...
There never...This has been explained many times...<br /><br />There never really was chareidi opposition to R'Kook's speech. It's a misunderstanding that arose fairly recently, and I'll try to explain.<br /><br />Many of the non-religious were saying that the opening of the University on Mt.Scopus was a fulfillment of the prophecy כי מציון תצא תורה. As you can imagine, this statement was strongly ridiculed and criticized in the Chareidi papers in Europe at the time. <br /><br />Since many people were making this statement, the proclamations against it didn't mention any specific names. They just spoke about how terrible it is that there are "those" that are attributing the establishment of a university to כי מציון.<br /><br />When it came time for R' Kook to speak at the opening ceremonies, he also addressed, and subtly refuted the claim that we can call this a fulfillment in כי מציון. He discussed the fear that Isaiah talks about when the Jew associates with the outside world. He then spelled out what would have to be done to allay the prophets fears. Every single faculty member and student would have to be observant, full with Torah study, and fear of God, etc. <br />Only then, he said, would the Torah not be weakened from the studies in the university. <br /><br />R' Kook concluded "If we do that we will THEN be able to say כי מציון תצא תורה". Meaning, if you want to associate כי מציון תצא תורה to the university , you would have to refer to the Torah that was not hurt by the teachings of Limudei chol. <br /><br />There is no indication that his speech was misunderstood at the time.<br /><br />The tumult arose many years later by chareidi historians. They knew that R'Kook mentioned כי מציון. When they came across in old newspapers the scathing attacks made "at those that were saying כי מציון, they erroneously assumed it referred to R' Kook.concernedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725433166043905160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74713748558306494382013-06-27T01:10:19.254+03:002013-06-27T01:10:19.254+03:00The opposition to Rav Kook's speech and the wi...The opposition to Rav Kook's speech and the willingness to slander and misrepresent it must be seen in the context of the two differing world views.<br />Rav Kook was interested in the return of Judaism as a national entity and nations have things like universities. What, a Torah state wouldn't need doctors, accountants and engineers? Where would they train such people?<br />His opponents were interested in the perpetuation of Judaism as a religion and religions only do one thing with education - educate about the religion.Garnel Ironheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23058116949524826612013-06-26T17:08:23.189+03:002013-06-26T17:08:23.189+03:00This is an amazing excerpt from an amazing man. It...This is an amazing excerpt from an amazing man. Its astounding how Rav Kook developed such an astounding worldview despite limited exposure to the secular academic environment.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81634465080293281402013-06-26T08:31:11.145+03:002013-06-26T08:31:11.145+03:00How does this differ from Rabbi Sacks? How does this differ from Rabbi Sacks? Avraham1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73014115975922543292013-06-26T05:02:47.109+03:002013-06-26T05:02:47.109+03:00my blessing to the chareidi, chardal world is that...my blessing to the chareidi, chardal world is that someone will set up such a university.<br /><br />במהרה ביממנוBen Waxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02798895161663664689noreply@blogger.com