tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post4947861405273675863..comments2024-03-29T06:06:58.796+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Pele Yoetz - Abused wife advised to remain silent?!Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90142103136991983922012-04-29T20:10:28.907+03:002012-04-29T20:10:28.907+03:00The link works fine on my computerThe link works fine on my computerDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5623703447924102262012-04-29T19:46:01.262+03:002012-04-29T19:46:01.262+03:00Where is the post on Pele Yoetz's view on abus...Where is the post on Pele Yoetz's view on abuse? The link in this post doesn't appear to work.Raffihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01130385791489278624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-86149356751428031732012-04-29T19:45:50.049+03:002012-04-29T19:45:50.049+03:00Where is the post on Pele Yoetz's view on abus...Where is the post on Pele Yoetz's view on abuse? The link in this post doesn't appear to work.Raffihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01130385791489278624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90980114329454413352012-04-24T10:32:43.636+03:002012-04-24T10:32:43.636+03:00Batmelech your objections of yours are based on th...Batmelech your objections of yours are based on the rather naive assumption that all women in all ages had clear options of leaving an abusive husband. While your advice is totally correct for a modern woman living in a modern western society - in previous ages or more traditional societies the option of leaving was/is simply not there. This I clearly noted in my introduction. <br /><br />So therefore to stand on your soap box and making blanket judgments about the advice given by the Pele Yoetz or about those who accept it - is simply inappropriate - and displays an ignorance of reality. <br /><br />If you work in the real world as a social worker or therapist or policman - you will there are many grey areas that don't fit into preconceived formula.<br /><br />A social worker who worked with poor Hispanics in New York when she was fresh out of social work school related her horror of discovering that wife beating was the norm. She tried her best to get these woman to go to the police and to move out of their homes. Finally one of her clients told her - "I am not worried about being beaten occasionally - it is when he stops beating me that I am worried. That means that he has found another woman and he doesn't love me any more."Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12569523539931351532012-04-24T08:46:15.692+03:002012-04-24T08:46:15.692+03:00PS: Which parents will believe their daughter, who...PS: Which parents will believe their daughter, who is beaten up regularly by her husband, that all is fine and well? Please!Batmelechnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38958574661819711332012-04-24T08:43:18.857+03:002012-04-24T08:43:18.857+03:00...and once he killed her (by accident, of course,......and once he killed her (by accident, of course, he just wanted to beat some sense into her), the community will kill an egla arufa and say "our hands did not spread this blood"<br /><br />I suppose the jewish communities are to small to have reliable statistics, but in the world of domestic abuse, this is exactely what she should not do.<br /><br />The first aim of domestic abuse is to isolate the wife from the surroundings. This is exactely what this passage of Pele Yoetz furthers.<br /><br />A beaten wife should not stay with her husband and bear it. She should run as fast as her legs can carry her and never look back.<br /><br />In a violent person submissive behaviour provokes more violence (just because they can).<br /><br />So what is the aim of publishing this chapter were a sage clearly dispenses inadequate advice? Is it to show the public that sages are not infallible?Batmelechnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1444804612198877022012-04-22T21:27:59.376+03:002012-04-22T21:27:59.376+03:00That's it, Avi. Feminism has replaced the anti...That's it, Avi. Feminism has replaced the antiquiated Torah, hasn't it?davnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84593859411363034162012-04-22T14:25:12.903+03:002012-04-22T14:25:12.903+03:00This advice seems to be the product of a society w...This advice seems to be the product of a society where the beaten woman has no rights. In such circumstances, what can she do but keep submit. Things have inched forward since then but there's still room to go. <br />AvrahamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50584645567775519212012-04-22T10:56:39.215+03:002012-04-22T10:56:39.215+03:00so whose translation is it?so whose translation is it?Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45785196973663519492012-04-22T08:56:56.926+03:002012-04-22T08:56:56.926+03:00its not Rabbi Mansours Translation but the Shiur i...its not Rabbi Mansours Translation but the Shiur is, the english translation is independent of rabbi mansourYUASKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859270654161319457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90578582722172709772012-04-22T03:54:48.252+03:002012-04-22T03:54:48.252+03:00its this book i think http://www.eichlers.com/Prod...its this book i think http://www.eichlers.com/Product/Books/Book_Sets/Pele-Yoetz-2-Volume-English-Set-_CISPEL.htmlYUASKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859270654161319457noreply@blogger.com