tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post4797145100731350457..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rav Herschel Schacter: A ridiculous heter/ Freeing agunah by mekach tausDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63494569685817071172014-10-21T23:02:11.578+03:002014-10-21T23:02:11.578+03:00Mekach Taos requires a very high burden to be reac...Mekach Taos requires a very high burden to be reached, both in the very limited type of circumstances that qualify for it as well as the burden of proof. It is a halachic standard that is met only exceedingly rarely.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77665886901463223542014-10-21T22:12:08.396+03:002014-10-21T22:12:08.396+03:00According to what Rav Moshe Feinstein writes in th...According to what Rav Moshe Feinstein writes in the Igros Moshe - none of the cases you present would be declared as not being married and would not need a get.<br /><br />Furthermore I am not aware of any case where a major posek said that wife beating proved that there was never a marriageDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10799153212714816422014-10-21T22:07:37.149+03:002014-10-21T22:07:37.149+03:00According to what Rav Moshe Feinstein writes in th...According to what Rav Moshe Feinstein writes in the Igros Moshe - the cases you present would not justify a declaration that there was never a marriage.<br /><br />I am not aware of any case that a posek declared there never had been a marriage because the husband was abusive. Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49738705170698955282014-10-21T20:02:38.697+03:002014-10-21T20:02:38.697+03:00Rav Eidensohn - Without referring to any specific ...Rav Eidensohn - Without referring to any specific actual case - theoretically if a woman is abused in a marriage, and I'm talking about physical abuse such as being hit (or any other serious cases of abuse) - could the marriage be annulled according to Rav Moshe Feinstein ZL? If a woman was told the day before the wedding that she would be punched in the face and regularly be subjected to violence - would that surely be a case of a Mekach Taos or not? The fact that a woman had been abused and did not complain is immediately is usually because the abuse is small at first and escalates and the husband creates a psychological bind on her from being able to do it. Abusers make the woman believe she deserves the abuse - its as if she is a prisoner and her free will has been taken away from her. <br />Have there been actual cases where a woman has been freed on this basis?Hillel Abrahamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58984679006397161272014-01-01T06:20:46.884+02:002014-01-01T06:20:46.884+02:00Rabbi Willig was at YU this past Shabbos. At an e...Rabbi Willig was at YU this past Shabbos. At an event on Friday evening at which Rabbi Willig was taking questions, someone told Rabbi Willig that Rabbi Schachter had asked the person to ask Rabbi Willig what had happened in the Epstein-Friedman case and whether the marriage was annulled under Jewish Law. <br />Rabbi Willig responded that as far as he was concerned the marriage cannot be annulled under Jewish Law.<br />This raises the question of whether Rabbi Schachter is actually the posek for ORA, as ORA claims. The audience seemed puzzled as to why Rabbi Schachter had asked someone to ask Rabbi Willig what had happened. If Rabi Schahcter is ORA's posek and ORA operates under Rabbi Schachter's approval, why would Rabbi Schachter ask someone to ask Rabbi Willig to explain a public pronouncement by ORA? .<br /><br />This leaves open the question: what is Rabbi Schachter's position on the annulment? <br /><br />Does ORA's long list of rabbinic endorsers, agree with ORA that the marriage is annulled under Jewish Law? <br />Puzzlednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43770942274466321182013-12-31T05:48:45.119+02:002013-12-31T05:48:45.119+02:00ORA holds out Rabbi Hershel Schachter as ORA's...ORA holds out Rabbi Hershel Schachter as ORA's posek. Does Rabbi Schachter stand by ORA's claim that the marriage is somehow annulled?Puzzlednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6673175739760093502013-12-27T15:50:58.926+02:002013-12-27T15:50:58.926+02:00@ Surprised: So who won the award of best comment ...@ Surprised: So who won the award of best comment of the week?Timhoninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63333857181611216592013-12-26T21:14:40.040+02:002013-12-26T21:14:40.040+02:00James, can you please ask R' Hexenschuus '...James, can you please ask R' Hexenschuus 'meheichan dantani' ? It is a legit she'eilo. We might be able to apply it to many difficult issues in Jewish life. The Talmud in Chulin states, kol ma deossar lan rachmona, shorei lan kevosei. That is to say, everything the torah forbid us, there is something equivalant that is Mutar, and gives a short list, e.g. chazir - shorei lan kavrei, a known fish found in naharot bavel as of today. Suppose we get a hold of this grandiose Matir Issurim open sesame code, we put Epstein & Goon Squad inc, Bossor Bossor-Kosher Kosher, O'u, O'me, and O'all hechsher factories and mamzerim factories out of business. We then move on and start IPO, go on the Stock Exchange, making off at least twice as Madoff made off. We can call it WMD's, Epstein's Bar, Magic Wand, Cattle Prod's, FREE Eishes Ish - FREE Tartei mashma, Kosher Mamzerimlach, Kosher Davar Achar beheter meah vachamishim ra bonim, and who knows, do away with kol haTorah Kula. After all, Torah says voCHAY bohem= you should leibetz around 'machen a leben'. How do you think the Kolko's, CH's, Zimbawe - Quebec - and all other fugitives made it. They make a leshem yichud Baruch Matir Issurim, and a secret ORA 'lachash', and you are in the land of the FREE, kappish.Decree of FREE eishes ishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57568494137856205222013-12-26T18:30:53.714+02:002013-12-26T18:30:53.714+02:00just made that into a post - thanks!
http://daatt...just made that into a post - thanks!<br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/12/professor-helmreichs-interviews-with.htmlDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91586260038853013342013-12-26T15:48:16.823+02:002013-12-26T15:48:16.823+02:00Interviews with Roshei Yeshiva
http://www.scribd....Interviews with Roshei Yeshiva <br />http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/187285765?access_key=key-s0da1ewadku5ryjzwpf&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll<br /><br />very interesting - R' Yaakov Weinberg is clearly a genius. Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91499666758933154312013-12-26T01:27:25.190+02:002013-12-26T01:27:25.190+02:00That's easy! Here's how it works, and as s...That's easy! Here's how it works, and as straight as an arrow. <br /><br />scenario #1<br /><br />Cookie wakes up one morning and tells Hubby, I want a Get and get out of here fast. Hubby goes to rabbi saying I have toiled hard, have a family with many children, avahvti es ishti, lo etze chaofshi chinam. She then exercises a few tricks coached by ORA, she moves out with the children creating a new status quo with some new facts on the ground, thereby, disenfranchising him. <br /><br />Scenario #2<br /><br />Hubby has been henpecked for some years, till one morning Cookie demands a Get or else. Hubby says OK, but we need to talk, we have unfinished business to take care of. Of course by now she has been coached by ORA how to place all her chess players in strategic order to put him in check. Hubby says, not so fast my dear, before finalizing the GET, we need to do it according to the Torah fashion, according to the Shulchan Aruch and Poskim, of which is to settle all outstanding matters, financial, custody etc. and ONLY then and in that order are you entitled to your GET. Various negotiations can and DO go on, while out of nowhere comes a mishlachat malachei ROIM, an Army of lesbians blessed by feminist ORA Ra bbis jumping the gun and to tailgate him, demonstrate in front of his home with PLACARDS as if in REFUSAL MODE, submit biased reports to mass media, half lies, outright lies, besmirching him in front of the whole world, under disguise of Justice to FREE an alleged self proclaimed Agunnah with total disregard to CHILUL SHEM SHAMAYIM BERABIM. This is the M. Operandi to ambush and character assassinate a HUBBY to SHAME him in, thereby forcing a get MEUSSE that is PASSUL, she remaining an Eishes Ish, manufacturing mamzerim. You also must understand that a GET, for most husbands is a PRIVATE matter in any which case, until it is settled and finalized. That, and in addition to the intimidations, harassments, lies and attacking with all kinds of invented schmutz, causes SHAME and great pain to say the least, with total disregard to his Torah given, G-d given legitimate rights. Case in Point, the Doodleson case. This is what has been happening and unfolding in the Doodleson saga while in amidst of negotiations, putting all business aside, prematurely, un expectantly attacking and ambushing in an all out war, and the stench that emanated up to high heaven, caused some to retreat and retract.<br /><br />Therefore, until then, he is withholding nothing and he is doing nothing wrong, and the SHAME/ coercing in any which way causes and fuels MAMZER factories. Business was booming, so much so that Epstein invented cattle prods money making scheme, going for USD $100,000 a pop, with a trickle down effect to all parties involved, till FEDS caught up with them. They will all pay dearly for their actions. Same will happen to the TAMAR VEAMNON V'EPSTEIN type of invention. The last thing I heard is, that only BUTTERFLIES are FREE. Kindly, don't make yourself an Agmas Nefesh from your quandry. Just one more thing, with all due respect, please tell ORA to take a hike.<br />@ James OF December 25, 2013 at 7:48 PMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55446524271959754732013-12-25T21:09:58.346+02:002013-12-25T21:09:58.346+02:00Excerpts from the video
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Excerpts from the video<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhFQA1VP5Fs<br /><br />"She (Tamar Epstein-Friedman) ran away sh'lo k'halacha...the child belongs to both equally...Mrs. Friedman started to run out the clock...the court case didn't take place for a year and half, by that time the court said we'll leave it there (in Philadelphia)...Mr. Friedman had followed the rulings of the Baltimore Bais Din...the Bais Din asked both of them to withdraw from the court case...Mr. Friedman was willing to withdraw, Mrs. Friedman refused...the court found that Mrs. Friedman's approach is rooted in spite...Mr. Friedman has the right to think he's being alienated from his child...Mrs. Tamar Friedman never listened, never took it out of the court...these YU thug tactics of ORA that R. Schachter allows-does R. Kaminetsky also allow?"EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15942524210716770832013-12-25T21:05:43.870+02:002013-12-25T21:05:43.870+02:00(Maybe this comment will get through this time, we...(Maybe this comment will get through this time, we don't want to antagonize ORA too much.)<br /><br />The excellent video linked to below exposes the halachic violations of the feminist YU ORA cult, a cult waging war on Hashem's Torah and on Jewish fathers and Jewish families. <br /><br />The video discusses the Tamar Epstein case but in fact the cases repeat themselves over and over with decent Jewish fathers having their beloved children torn from them, while their moredes wives are aided and abetted by ORA. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhFQA1VP5Fs<br />EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45906048601941870882013-12-25T20:22:02.254+02:002013-12-25T20:22:02.254+02:00Ramban may have said that Halacha is not like math...Ramban may have said that Halacha is not like mathematics, but R' JB Soloveichik writes that it is, in his book Halachic man.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63334190797141600282013-12-25T19:48:07.773+02:002013-12-25T19:48:07.773+02:00Just to get this straight:
Aharon refuses to give ...Just to get this straight:<br />Aharon refuses to give Tamar a Get. He is doing nothing wrong. But if we tell people that he is refusing to give a Get, that is shaming him in public?<br />Either he is doing something wrong and deserving of his shame or it isnt shame. <br />Where is the coercion? Is the coercion is telling him that the majority of people think he should give a Get? Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28793912569700168932013-12-25T19:09:16.727+02:002013-12-25T19:09:16.727+02:00an interesting article on a number of attempts to ...an interesting article on a number of attempts to free agunot - from the Geonim, down to the Rackman court<br /><br />http://www.mucjs.org/2001jlpf.pdfBen MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14912766094988180892013-12-25T17:16:57.800+02:002013-12-25T17:16:57.800+02:00This is a classic example of Harotzachto vegam Yor...This is a classic example of Harotzachto vegam Yorashto, literally.Double kill with one shotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46328050475322323202013-12-25T15:39:50.620+02:002013-12-25T15:39:50.620+02:00Correction - my previous post citing R. Levin'...Correction - my previous post citing R. Levin's video may have stated that Mrs. Friedman was the Plaintiff in court. This was an unintentional error. I believe the video stated that Mr. Friedman was the Plaintiff after he obtained a heter to recover his child in court.EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90675756446284427732013-12-25T12:53:55.793+02:002013-12-25T12:53:55.793+02:00@ SurprisedDecember 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM
ORA YSV s...@ SurprisedDecember 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM<br /><br />ORA YSV shame the husband in public, and is a malbin pnei chavero berabim, of which is the same as SHOFACH ES DOMOI. She now becomes a lebediga almono umiteres lechol odom. HENCE the decree, TAMAR IS FREE and free for all, the same as zonso Tamar kalosecho the kedeisho. Therefore, no need of chosemes hapsulim on a GET of befonay nechtav ubefonay nechtam.<br /><br />Here is another genius Heter from the inventors of the Mamzer Factory without the need for a GET. It is known in Talmud the concept of Oni choshuv ke'mes, that is someone poor is as good as dead, as well as the concept of Hefker Beis Din Hefker. A beis din of three Ra Bonim declare Tamar's husbands assets as HEFKER KE'AROH DEMITZRAYIM, he now is considered as deceased, and she instantaneously regains her freedom, ORA declares her FREE, umiteres lechol odom. Veyaasu ken belohotehem, this tactic works the same as the VUNDERBAR PROD STICK alav hasholom. Hashem yinkom domom. If anyone can come up with more innovations and add to the BAND of the FREE, please feel free to do so, vechol hamarbeh harei ze meshuboch. And so it goes. A "GITTEN" Purim und a "GITTEN" Tomid.Let's play a game of guess the Heter.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31455745614658204942013-12-25T04:30:49.798+02:002013-12-25T04:30:49.798+02:00"The rabbis have done whatever they could&quo..."The rabbis have done whatever they could", for a true Agunah, which is either if he dissappeard in a war, possibly drowned bemayim asher ein lahem sof, or taken beshevi, as they used to write a legitimate get al tnay leyotzei milchama. Not so a Moredes rebelling on her own free will for no good reason, indeed, that is exactly the meaning of lirtzoinoy because the Torah gave him the authority, and that Torah given right is NOT ABUSE. You cannot circumvent that, no shtar mechira, prizbul, hatoras nedorim, hatoras kaporas, batel beshishim, bensinas taam lifgam, or hefker beis din hefker can do the trick. This is mixing apples with kasha and oranges, with pilpulim shel dofi as if grabbing three people in shul and mashil behatoro. Tomorrow you will cook up a witches brew having her grab a chicken swirl it counterclockwise 3 times shlugging kapora with him, or better yet, take the chasunah film, roll it and play it backwards, and wallah, he takes of the kidushin ring off her finger, rewind the seven circles under the chuppah, they both go home happily lirtzonom from whence they came from, vehakol ba al mekomo beshalom, of course with the whole world as witnesses. Another one had a brainstorm to use the time machine and go "Back In Time". My friend, that is only a purim shpil, vechalomot beAspamya. <br />Indeed, a Moredes is in and of itself a criminal, how do you turn tables and make him an eishes potifar, while she is still an eishes ish? I have heard shtussim, but such narishkeiten, I've never heard. This invention will go the same way as the Epstein prods.Heter of back in timenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27695831029354721752013-12-24T21:49:21.739+02:002013-12-24T21:49:21.739+02:00"This situation, though unfair and tragic for..."This situation, though unfair and tragic for the wife, is essentially the creation of a man who has shown himself to be an evil criminal" -<br /><br />So according to Rabbi Schachter: <br /><br />If a Jewish wife just decides she doesn't like her normal, decent husband, and she demands a GET, and the husband does not want to give up his wife, house, and children, and he is not required to do so by halacha, that husband is an evil criminal? <br /><br />A man should divorce his wife even though the Gemara seems to state in several locations that a man with children should not divorce his wife? (I believe R. Dovid Eidensohn has cited these sources).<br /><br />Our ancient Torah sages advocated evil by advising a man not to divorce???<br /><br />Thanks Rabbi Schachter, you've clearly confirmed for us that ORA's "religion" is utterly contrary to Torah law and values.EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41145617946928129932013-12-24T21:40:24.639+02:002013-12-24T21:40:24.639+02:00R' Shachter on techeles
http://www.youtube.co...R' Shachter on techeles<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0isSXmLN0cBen MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19832720467406101232013-12-24T19:03:42.006+02:002013-12-24T19:03:42.006+02:00“Rav Schachter - the posek for ORA - provides a co...“Rav Schachter - the posek for ORA - provides a cogent discussion of the pitfalls of using mekach taus to free an aguna.<br />“Rav Moshe Feinstein clearly states that the negative condition must be preexisting and so severe that no reasonable person would tolerate it - and the spouse must leave immediately upon discovering it. <br />“In addition a psak of mekach taus based entirely upon negative reports from the wife - without the husband being directly evaulated by a neutral expert therapist - is clearly invalid and indicative of biased poskim.”<br /><br />Please edit the above. The second paragraph summarizes an important point Rav Schachter makes in his article. Despite the obvious implication, the third paragraph is not at all mentioned by Rav Schachter, which would deceive and confuse anyone who doesn’t read Rav Schachter’s article. You need to be very clear when you’re quoting Rav Schachter and when you’re quoting other poskim. <br /><br />Which posek says the husband must always be directly evaluated by a neutral expert therapist, with no possible exceptions? I’d want to see the written psak as several obvious exceptions come to mind. <br />Hopefulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-76369284862890179062013-12-24T18:43:49.237+02:002013-12-24T18:43:49.237+02:00Shmuel - would also point the same tarred brush at...Shmuel - would also point the same tarred brush at the haredi Gadol par excellence in Bnei Brak who has allegedly stated that owning an iphone [or android] invalidates a witness for kiddushin and gittin? This leads to the same annullment that is now being alleged, with no hard evidence to back it. Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82645007906914726872013-12-24T17:37:53.264+02:002013-12-24T17:37:53.264+02:00Let's play a game of guess the Heter.
We know...Let's play a game of guess the Heter.<br /><br />We know that Tamar would only rely on a Heter if it was approved by Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky. And ORA presumably would only publicize that Tamar is free if Rav Herschel Schachter approved of the Heter as well. From what I understand, ORA has been involved in hundreds of cases, including some with truly disturbed individuals, and not once did they have a marriage annulled with the Haskama of Rav Herschel Schachter. <br /><br />Before attacking the Heter, we need to know what it is. Does anyone have any intelligent guesses of what they discovered about Aharon which would get Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky, Rav Herschel Schachter, and presumably other respected Poskim as well to free Tamar without a Get? The correct guess wins the award of best comment of the week. Let’s hear it. Surprisednoreply@blogger.com