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http://daatt...See the teshuva of Rav Obvadia Yosef<br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2012/04/rav-ovadiya-yosef-forcing-husband-to.htmlDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-88568320565504238722012-04-12T11:19:49.893+03:002012-04-12T11:19:49.893+03:00thanks corrected the translationthanks corrected the translationDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6178695069836888532012-04-12T10:43:45.071+03:002012-04-12T10:43:45.071+03:00So we have an easy solution: when he withholds the...So we have an easy solution: when he withholds the get, it is to spite her, so he hates her, so he is obliged to divorce her.umpartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35362149046065109362012-04-12T10:35:25.803+03:002012-04-12T10:35:25.803+03:00thanks for the correction. I will correct my trans...thanks for the correction. I will correct my translationDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1490324725439792492012-04-12T08:13:27.627+03:002012-04-12T08:13:27.627+03:00I do not understand R' Shternbuch's commen...I do not understand R' Shternbuch's comment that<br /><br />"and there is no clear reason except she says she doesn't like him"<br /><br />If a wife is not in love with her husband, is her husband allowed to live with her and vice versa? These things don't just happen over night, although we know that in the case when they have not really known each other, that it most certainly can happen. Marriage is certainly a process, but if something fails, it fails, surely?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89211042015136851782012-04-12T06:32:52.347+03:002012-04-12T06:32:52.347+03:00שו"ת ציץ אליעזר חלק יז סימן נא
לכן בהמשך לה...שו"ת ציץ אליעזר חלק יז סימן נא <br /><br />לכן בהמשך להחלטתנו מתאריך י"ד טבת הנ"ל אנו אומרים לבעל את האמור באה"ע סימן קנ"ד סעיף כ"א: "חכמים חייבוך להוציא ואם לא תוציא מותר לקרותך עבריין". <br /><br />ובעקבות זה אנו פונים לכל בר ובת ישראל בכל מקום שהם לבוא לעזרת הבת ישראל הזאת המעוגנת מעלה אשר מסרב לשמוע לקול בית דין לשחררה מכבלי העיגון ולפטור אותה בג"פ, על ידי כן שימנעו מלעשות לו שום טובה או לישא וליתן עמו עד שיגרש, כפסק הרמ"א באה"ע שם, וכאשר גוזר אומר על כגון דא, וכל כיוצ"ב, כאשר ניכר שסיבת דרישת האשה לג"פ הוא בגלל אשמתו של הבעל, בספר הישר לרבינו תם ז"ל בחלק התשובות סי' כ"ד ובזה"ל: "תגזרו באלה חמורה על כל איש ואשה מזרע בית ישראל הנלוים אליכם, שלא יהו רשאין לדבר עמו ולישא וליתן עמו להאריחו ולהאכילו ולהשקותו וללוותו ולבקרו בחלותו, ועוד יוסיפו חומר ברצונם על כל אדם, אם לא יגרש ויתיר אותו האיש את הילדה הזאת, שבזה אין כפיה עליו, שאם ירצה מקיים, והוא לא ילקה בגופו מתוך נידוי זה, אך אני נתפרד מעליו, וכל שיהא זכור בגזרתם וגזרתנו ישמור אותה, ואם יעבור שוגג לא תחול על השוגג". <br /><br />וכל זה הוא אפילו כשהבעל איננו מאותן שכופין אותו להוציא כדיעו"ש, ו<br /><br />שו"ת ציץ אליעזר חלק יז סימן נא <br /><br />אליעזר יהודה וולדינברג <br /><br />Also chacham Ovadayah in that Pssak Din (togerther with Tzitz Eliezer) wrote about harchakot derabeynooh Tam<br /><br />שו"ת ציץ אליעזר חלק יז סימן נא <br /><br />הן אמת כי המהריב"ל ח"ב סימן י"ח כתב, שאף שהסמ"ג והמהר"י קולון הסכימו ג"כ לעשות הרחקה דרבינו תם, ולא מצינו להדיא מי שיחלוק עליהם, מ"מ לא ראינו לרבני דורנו שנהגו בכך ואדרבה כשנועצו לב יחדיו רוב החכמים וחשבו לעשות הרחקה דר"ת, עמד רב גדול ומובהק ומיחה בדבר, ואפשר דס"ל שיותר קשה ההרחקה דר"ת מדין נידוי, ואם הנידוי נחשב כפיה כ"ש הרחקה זו ואף על פי שזה ימים רבים פסקתי מא' מהפסקים שלי לעשות הרחקה דר"ת, מ"מ אותו נידון לא דמי לענ"ד, וגם אז לא נעשה מעשה עכת"ד, והובא בשו"ת לחם רב סימן ל"א, וכתב ע"ז, שמכל מקום אם יסכימו עמי הרבנים המובהקים לעשות הרחקה דר"ת כנ"ד אהיה נגרר אחריהם להקל בזה למעשה ע"ש. <br /><br />גם בשו"ת צל הכסף ח"א סימן ה' וסימן ו' האריך למעניתו בזה והעלה להל' דשפיר סמכינן לעשות הרחקה דר"ת, וע"ע בספר פחד יצחק מערכת ס' דף י"ח ע"ש. <br /><br />And Rav Kulitz wrote in that pssak that he concurs with the words of the Tzitz Eliezer:<br /><br />שו"ת ציץ אליעזר חלק יז סימן נא <br /><br />גם אני מצטרף לדבריו ומסקנתו של עמיתנו הגרא"י וולדינברג שליט"א, מאחר ואשר הם כהמשך לפסק הדין שניתן על ידנו ביום י"ד טבת תשמ"ה, ולדעתי אין לגרוע ואין להוסיף על הדברים, כי ברורים הם וכך היא ההלכה, וכך יש לנהוג למעשה. <br />...כל. יצחק קוליץanother teshuva by HaRav Shternbuchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33192890228705189672012-04-12T06:23:55.521+03:002012-04-12T06:23:55.521+03:00When you translated this part "But it is nece...When you translated this part "But it is necessary for beis din to be very careful in weighing the situation as to whether it is also permitted to humiliate him", you omitted the first part where he states אבל מצדד אני אם להתיר גם בזה לבזותן which means that Rav Shternbuch is inclined to permit this humiliation (with the caution that they "deliberate strongly" and he did not write "whether it is also permitted" for he is inclined that it is permitted ; he wrote והבית דין חייבין לשקול היטב, probably meant that it requires shikul daat if it is appropriate).another teshuva by HaRav Shternbuchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49132935774928847542012-04-12T06:10:33.099+03:002012-04-12T06:10:33.099+03:00the problem with ORA's methodology is that the...the problem with ORA's methodology is that they enjoy embarrassing, humiliating "third parties" such as parents of the men, Aunt and uncles etc... I dont believe that Chazal gave permission to humiliate his family?????????????????????Shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29858070137687155632012-04-12T06:01:59.115+03:002012-04-12T06:01:59.115+03:00Halacha specifies that if a wife likes another man...Halacha specifies that if a wife likes another man and wishes to marry him, and as a result declares maos alei/disgusted about her husband for the purposes of forcing him to issue her a Get (so she can marry the other guy), he would be fully justified in refusing her a Get, and can have beis din order her to perform her duties for him as his wife and to live with him.<br /><br />Perhaps you can cite the maare makom for this, as it is entirely relevant to this discussion. It clearly demonstrates that under halacha a wife cannot get away with untruthfully invoking maos alei.Reuvennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77748464015576234742012-04-12T05:03:19.333+03:002012-04-12T05:03:19.333+03:00What about the translation of the second part, whi...What about the translation of the second part, which is actually Rav Shternbuch's own psak (ruling)?<br /><br /><br />לע"ד אם יש לה אמתלא ראוי לכוף אותן גם בבזיונות<br />, <br />אבל כשאין שום סיבה ומאיס עליה<br />יש להתרחק ממנו,.. <br /><br />אבל מצדד אני אם להתיר גם בזה לבזותן והבית דין חייבין לשקול היטב<br />..., וכשיש סיבה אף שאין כופין בשוטים, נהגו להקל לכוף בפרסום בבתי כנסיות כהנ"ל<br /><br />According to Rav Shternbuch:<br />1) If there is an appropriate reason for her refusal to live with him, one is permitted (and it's "rauy"- appropriate) to coerce with humiliation.<br /><br />2) If there is no appropriate reason...I'm inclined to permit to humiliate them, but Beis Din is obliged to seriously deliberate.<br /><br />3) and if there is a reason...the custom is to permit coercion by publicizing it in synagogues.another teshuva by HaRav Shternbuchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16899011977537551392012-04-12T04:29:25.998+03:002012-04-12T04:29:25.998+03:00Rashba wrote in the middle ages -- I have a feelin...Rashba wrote in the middle ages -- I have a feeling "humiliating" and "tormenting" in those times was qualitatively more painful than mere demonstrations and petition-signing drives. And ORA is not saying people should refuse to circumcize his sons or do him any favors, so I doubt it rises to the level of cherem. It may be "active" rather than "passive" but it does not approach the level of cherem. (Though interestingly I read somewhere that one of the rabbis who set up a beit din to annul marriages to solve the aguna problem was ostracized at the time by some in his community.)<br /><br />"The only pressure permitted is that he should know that the community does not approve of his conduct of being cruel to his wife - but this is not called force at all."<br /><br />I would say this is precisely what a demonstration or petition intends on doing -- letting him know that the community does not approve.<br /><br />But he says this is the only pressure permitted without explaining why or exactly what he means. Have other rabbis throughout the ages ruled on what pressure is permitted, other than who he cites?yeshayanoreply@blogger.com