tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post4363818381116317238..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Public media campaigns to obtain a Get have zero success rate - so why do they exist?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35359095970387112382014-10-01T22:15:14.282+03:002014-10-01T22:15:14.282+03:00@kishkeyum All you are offering for evidence is wh...@kishkeyum All you are offering for evidence is what you belief. I disagree with your beliefs. If you don't have anything stronger - then let's stop repeating ourselves.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52639414689855451052014-10-01T17:46:29.605+03:002014-10-01T17:46:29.605+03:00I doubt that the public furor had nothing to do wi...I doubt that the public furor had nothing to do with Weiss's agreement to give a get at this time. I believe that without it, the get would have been greatly delayed, b/c he and his family would not have felt the pressure to compromise. I also doubt that he would have settled for what he did at that point without the public pressure.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23007181701006168562014-10-01T01:39:03.609+03:002014-10-01T01:39:03.609+03:00Which part do you doubt? Dodelson certainly became...Which part do you doubt? Dodelson certainly became more flexible in the end and modified her position prior to the settlement giving Weiss much more of what he requested (both on the legal expenses and on the custody arrangement) than she was offering earlier. Do you doubt that and seriously think Weiss didn't get anything more than she offered initially and he merely agreed to settle because she prostituted the case in front of the media? I don't think any reasonable observer will make such a conclusion.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14446949082145611422014-10-01T00:51:20.076+03:002014-10-01T00:51:20.076+03:00That's certainly one valid opinion. However, k...That's certainly one valid opinion. However, knowing some of the people involved, I don't think it's correct.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10124172410919125622014-09-30T00:11:35.342+03:002014-09-30T00:11:35.342+03:00Dodelson modified her position in the final settle...Dodelson modified her position in the final settlement and gave Weiss a lot more than she was offering him before she began her media slut campaign. Of course Weiss didn't get everything he asked for before the media campaign began. He and no one ever expected all his negotiating points to have been met and that Dodelson would acquiesce to all his requests. <br /><br /><br />But the fact is that in the end Dodelson gave up a lot of ground in the final settlement. Aside for paying a substantial portion of Weiss' legal costs, that he believed owed to him due to her wrongful secular legal campaign in his view, she also granted him substantially more custody rights than she offered him before her legal and media assault began. And that substantial change in her position was sufficient for Weiss to agree to the settlement.<br /><br /><br />It was not her media campaign that allowed Weiss to accept the settlement but rather her having substantially offered much of what he requested, which was a change from her earlier offer, that allowed Weiss to accept it.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10362734196247921782014-09-29T23:21:37.789+03:002014-09-29T23:21:37.789+03:00I have no proof (which I think would be impossible...I have no proof (which I think would be impossible to come by), but I do know some of the people involved on both sides fairly well, and that was my impression of what was going on. You are of course free to reject it, but that's my view.<br /><br /><br />[For the record, I am not saying that it justifies the chilul Hashem. Just that it may have had an effect.]kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8174458411200025582014-09-29T21:55:36.534+03:002014-09-29T21:55:36.534+03:00@Kishkeyum - you admit that you don't know but...@Kishkeyum - you admit that you don't know but that you suspect. In any negotiotiations what is asked for gets modified. <br /><br />In order to in any way justify the horrible chilul Hashem, you would have to bring proof that Weiss did in fact modify his position because of the media campaign against him and not because it wasn't worth losing more time because that is what he could realistically get. I haven't seen any evidence that the final position was influenced by the media campaign.<br /><br />It is just as rational to say that because the media campaign back fired and made Dodelson look bad - they agreed to terms that they would not have if they had employed Shira Dicker's approach.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44204209733818250062014-09-29T20:39:38.249+03:002014-09-29T20:39:38.249+03:00Not at all. They accepted they had to pay somethin...Not at all. They accepted they had to pay something to receive the get; Weiss called it "legal costs" for their self-respect, but Dodelson considered it something else entirely; namely, extortion. This I know for a fact.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37021939098516123152014-09-29T18:58:08.187+03:002014-09-29T18:58:08.187+03:00The fact that Dodelson paid Weiss' legal costs...The fact that Dodelson paid Weiss' legal costs, whatever percent, is a tacit admission by them of their wrongness in the matter.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37493338713563259882014-09-29T17:07:51.489+03:002014-09-29T17:07:51.489+03:00Not so. In the beginning, he demanded 50% custody....Not so. In the beginning, he demanded 50% custody. A week here, a week there. That's what a lot of the fight was about. Later on, the Weisses demanded a very large sum to pay the legal costs they incurred. They received far less.<br /><br /><br />Not that I believe it was worth the chlul Hashem. But that she received no benefit, I do not believe is correct.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49321313359858490672014-09-29T10:33:37.331+03:002014-09-29T10:33:37.331+03:00@Kishkeyum - you are clearly wrong. What you suspe...@Kishkeyum - you are clearly wrong. What you suspect or what your gut tells you is simply not supported by the facts<br /><br />Dodelson tried to destroy her husband and his family. What she ended up was pretty much what her husband offerered her in the beginning. The tremendous chillul hashem provided her with no benefit and clearly caused much harm.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70578930373518301762014-09-29T05:36:10.386+03:002014-09-29T05:36:10.386+03:00I'm not convinced that such campaigns are usel...I'm not convinced that such campaigns are useless. I suspect that Dodelson, for one, might still be without a get had she not gone public. Right or wrong, the Weiss/Feinstein family could not stand the pressure and became more willing to compromise.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62203665660286274572014-09-29T00:03:08.984+03:002014-09-29T00:03:08.984+03:00How do they "appear to be dayanim"? Were...How do they "appear to be dayanim"? Were they wearing a nametag that said DAYAN in big black letters? Was it because they had a long white beard? Old fashioned glasses?Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14721520708863348122014-09-28T23:03:02.333+03:002014-09-28T23:03:02.333+03:00@eLamdan - please stop this nonsense. The burden o...@eLamdan - please stop this nonsense. The burden of proof was on Rivky to establish that the 3 dayanim showed up.. Yoel said simply - produce the original dayanim and show that they know gittin and I'll give you the get. Why is it so hard for you to understand elementary English. I'll repeat it one more time THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON RIFKY. Yoel announced he thought the beis din didn't exist i.e., it was phony. IF RIFKY WANTS A GET SHE HAS TO SIMPLY SHOW THAT YOEL IS WRONG BY SHOWING THAT THEY DO EXIST. All your nonsensical statements about maybe they do exist. Maybe they were walking on the wrong street. Maybe maybe maybe - totally ignores the fact that RIVKY HAS TO PROVE THEY EXIST AND ARE COMPETENT IN GITTIN.<br /><br />I am not publishing anymore more of your conjectures.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50800630696507281972014-09-28T22:40:52.811+03:002014-09-28T22:40:52.811+03:00Ad delo yada as in Yom K'purim / asah et atzmo...Ad delo yada as in Yom K'purim / asah et atzmo keilu lo yada!<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />They "told Yoel", and how do you know that it was so, maybe they were stuck <br />in traffic even as of now? Were those alleged two, the two Abeles' ? If so, Odom <br />korov etsel atsmo, hence they are not viable Dayonim. If they were other <br />two, WHICH other two? Besides, since when do two Dayonim suffice, and why would <br />they convene with only two? Huh? Maybe Yoel had his people scouting out there, <br />and found out lo dubim velo ya'ar. Besides, what does the audio have to do with <br />the price of eggs in Denmark? Especially if the audio is hard to hear, how would <br />you hear what's been said altogether? Produce the three Dayonim now, and if you <br />can't, it is because they never existed, hence, we know now that the whole saga <br />was a lie to begin with, just so that you and Shira should have what to be <br />'meranen' her smear campaign. Therefore my friend, it is time to call Houston. <br />Not that it would help, but when your invincible boat is Titanic-ing head over <br />heels full throttle down to the bottom of the Ocean, you try to hang on to a <br />straw and you know it is time to say Vidui and klap al Cheit. Don't forget to <br />sign a DNR while you can, and close the lights. Tam venihslam masechet Purim. <br />Our condolences! Yisgadel veYis.... le'eilo uleilo... veyonuach al mishkavo <br />beshalom, venomar amen. Enough said.Egleh Arifehnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53609506383864010552014-09-28T22:21:43.788+03:002014-09-28T22:21:43.788+03:00??????eLamdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55924969287723208972014-09-28T22:19:05.556+03:002014-09-28T22:19:05.556+03:00One of the videos show two men who appear to be da...One of the videos show two men who appear to be dayanim walking out when they go to check the other location. The guy with the camera of course fails to ask who they are.eLamdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36207965058251917112014-09-28T22:17:00.564+03:002014-09-28T22:17:00.564+03:00Explain why I'm wrong.Explain why I'm wrong.eLamdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87620226208866430612014-09-28T21:19:55.393+03:002014-09-28T21:19:55.393+03:00@eLamdan - again you are missing the point. I have...@eLamdan - again you are missing the point. I have only criticized them for being non-existent. Since when is it considered normal for a beis din to establish it exists by getting a letter from a gadol?! Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90878314727964542642014-09-28T20:44:01.256+03:002014-09-28T20:44:01.256+03:00Maybe they don't want to release their informa...Maybe they don't want to release their information on the web... especially with websites like yours dedicated to attacking them. So I ask...what if wet can get a respected authority to vouch for them? Would that suffice?eLamdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50222111950379191872014-09-28T18:44:54.848+03:002014-09-28T18:44:54.848+03:00They told yoel two dayanim were there yet he still...They told yoel two dayanim were there yet he still did not show. Listen to the audios carefully. It's hard to hear sometimes because yoel cuts off the speaker constantly.eLamdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90447108926554483492014-09-28T18:19:10.331+03:002014-09-28T18:19:10.331+03:00Give it up already. Your arguments are weak and y...Give it up already. Your arguments are weak and you are losing every time.halevinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44127004675477867172014-09-28T13:50:22.684+03:002014-09-28T13:50:22.684+03:00Fantasy land, my friend!
Since you have exhaus...Fantasy land, my friend!<br /><br /> <br /><br />Since you have exhausted all irrational attempts to murky the waters <br />unsuccessfully, you now resort to hypothetical's and imaginaries from fantasy <br />land playing the "if game". Cheap cop out. Time to wake up and smell the <br />coffee. For Summary, R.S. lost all credibility, in Court, in existing Beis Din, <br />even in imaginary Beis Din, Kangaroo or boiler room and fly by night, Dayanim <br />fictitious or otherwise, with self declared managers pulling horses without a <br />cart, Dayenu. If your grandmother would have had wheels, she could have been a <br />wheelchair. Why not just imagine with the same effort that everybody showed up, <br />she got her Get, and they all lived happily forever after. Fantasy land, my <br />friend.Egleh Arifehnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17755880719448166422014-09-28T12:27:47.906+03:002014-09-28T12:27:47.906+03:00While we are assuming, let's assume that two m...While we are assuming, let's assume that two monkeys and four apes built a space ship out vines and branches, and colonized Mars for Antarctica and all Earth bound homonoids. How would that affect their standing as a sapient species in the United Nations?<br /><br />We can play with all the absurd assumptions you want all day long... but we might as well be discussing spacefaring primates.Rabbi Michael Tzadoknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81692600704190158612014-09-28T10:47:07.685+03:002014-09-28T10:47:07.685+03:00@eLamdan - you did it again. Asking a ridiculous q...@eLamdan - you did it again. Asking a ridiculous question. "Wouldn't it then be reasonable for them to conclude that no matter what they do it won't really matter? " The answer is obvioulsy no!<br /><br />Yoel called in to see if the Dayanim showed up. When they didn't he didn't either. Why do you, Farkash and Rivky insist on doing a song and dance instead of requiring the obvious. Let the 3 dayanim appear in public together, present their identification and their credentials as dayanim.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.com