tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post3888134853119694769..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: A supporter of Gital weighs Rav Dovid Feinstein's psak vs Gital's NY Post articleDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16028845474202186412013-11-16T23:25:10.378+02:002013-11-16T23:25:10.378+02:00Rav Dovid Feinstein knew exactly about the nature ...Rav Dovid Feinstein knew exactly about the nature of the negotiation regarding the Dodelson's and Weiss'. And his psak is justified by the facts and still stands.<br /><br />Rabbi Greewald has decided at the present time not to elaborate on the contrast between the letters of November 7 and November 11 or to clarify what negotiations were going on under his auspicesDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68425009151917526462013-11-16T23:22:00.475+02:002013-11-16T23:22:00.475+02:001) there was not halachic justification for nidoi ...1) there was not halachic justification for nidoi according to Shulach Aruch. 2) Would like to see any source that a supporter of a person in nidoi can be treated as being in niddoi. 3) You are correct about the kol koreh - but again it is not according to Shulchan Aruch<br /><br />Regarding the original point. Artscroll did not fire the Weiss brothers. The boycott was/is causing serious financial difficulty for Artscroll. The Weiss brothers decided that they didn't want to cause further harm to Artscroll and resigned - even though Artscroll was willing to continue employing themDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79940317611487218582013-11-14T18:04:57.355+02:002013-11-14T18:04:57.355+02:00Stop the madness and stop fighting with each other...<b>Stop the madness and stop fighting with each other ALL of you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Second Bais HaMikdosh was destroyed because of Sinas Chinam ("causeless hatred), and the third Bais HaMikdosh will only be rebuilt by Ahavas Chinom ("selfless love")! You are ALL making yourselves into a laughingstock in full view of the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To the Weisses and Dodelsons STOP IT and tell your warring kids who are fighting each other to grow up and stop acting like BABIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a disgrace.</b>Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8405663607828606252013-11-14T05:41:38.781+02:002013-11-14T05:41:38.781+02:00I hope you realize that the "court of public ...I hope you realize that the "court of public opinion" is a kangaroo court.kloninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12860289694763710452013-11-12T20:49:17.600+02:002013-11-12T20:49:17.600+02:00Red herring, and different discussion. Please stay...Red herring, and different discussion. Please stay on point. Halacha is very much beholden to societal realities in many, many ways. So are its decisors. Daniel Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73518032078521313022013-11-12T15:52:41.230+02:002013-11-12T15:52:41.230+02:00I cannot comment on legal fees. If I were weiss I...I cannot comment on legal fees. If I were weiss I would obtain a hetter meah amd move on. anti rabbanutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84131409716837237482013-11-12T15:07:10.029+02:002013-11-12T15:07:10.029+02:00No, just that it cannot be IMPOSED on him an oblig...No, just that it cannot be IMPOSED on him an obligation he doesn't have under halacha.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12938696593878726812013-11-12T12:22:51.924+02:002013-11-12T12:22:51.924+02:00Of course you believe that. Because it's much ...Of course you believe that. Because it's much easier for you to engage in fantastical musings that to have to contemplate the possibility that you are wrong. Much like Avrohom Meir, Yosaif Asher, & Yisroel Weiss.Foncusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8755397641502702472013-11-12T12:21:04.941+02:002013-11-12T12:21:04.941+02:00I know that it's hard for you to wrap your min...I know that it's hard for you to wrap your mind around reason, but Halacha does not allow for someone to support, tactically or otherwise, someone who is b'nidui. The Kol Koreh signed by the Gedolim like RSK, RAF, RYP, RMK, RNG, RYH RMH among others, calls for this specific sanction on the father/uncle for this specific reason.<br /><br />But don't let that get in your way of your one man boycott.Foncusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58243307008284639302013-11-12T12:10:01.576+02:002013-11-12T12:10:01.576+02:00^^^^^^ shows what kind of tzaddikim the Weiss fami...^^^^^^ shows what kind of tzaddikim the Weiss family is .. they are willing to give up their parnasa for the sake of Klal Yisrael.. that does not strike me as people who are not following halacha to 10000% degree.. and I fully believe that R'Greenwald was pushed to write that letter out of extreme pressure .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18501055104514717192013-11-12T11:56:29.432+02:002013-11-12T11:56:29.432+02:00@Parent - "Divorce should be severely frowne...@Parent - "Divorce should be severely frowned upon and discouraged" - Feminist ideologues believe that marriage is inherently oppressive to women and that divorce is to be promoted whenever possible. This corrupt ideology has entered large parts of the Modern Orthodox community, and is currently penetrating the Yeshiva community. <br /><br />Hershel Schachter's YU ORA organization is the military arm of the MO feminists that promotes divorce whenever possible while cloaking it in a phony halachic facade:<br /><br /><b>"An agunah is a woman whose husband refuses to grant her a Jewish divorce upon request."</b><br />http://web.archive.org/web/20050130200043/http://getora.org/EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62060013738995487652013-11-12T11:45:46.140+02:002013-11-12T11:45:46.140+02:00@Shmuel - Your comments are right on target. I wou...@Shmuel - Your comments are right on target. I would add that reliable sources in Brooklyn informed me that fanatical ORA goons are allegedly engaging in public harassment of Feinstein family members. <br /><br />Any man being harassed by ORA (or if his family or friends are being harassed) should utterly refuse to even consider giving any GET until and unless ORA ceases all forms of harassment and public humiliation against the man. EmesLeYaacovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50401916500901928292013-11-12T09:20:04.844+02:002013-11-12T09:20:04.844+02:00"Halachic child support requirements end well..."Halachic child support requirements end well before Bar/Bas Mitzvah age"<br /><br />So you are saying that a torah-true father should tell his 12-year-old son to go and work for a living, and marry off his 11-year-old daughter, so that he will not have to pay child support for them?Blatantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19861992326356034682013-11-12T08:36:16.721+02:002013-11-12T08:36:16.721+02:00Daniel S:
When societal realities (which is somet...Daniel S:<br /><br />When societal realities (which is something that generally emanates from gentile society that sometimes seeps into some of our communities) conflict with halachic realities, halachic realities certainly override societal realities. Yaakov Braunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77533301256969128302013-11-12T08:33:24.793+02:002013-11-12T08:33:24.793+02:00The only point I think I can add to your last comm...The only point I think I can add to your last comment is that if the two parties cannot agree on some of the points, a beis din should settle it strictly in accordance with halacha. I do agree with the entirety of your last comment.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18147384490565614732013-11-12T07:48:24.463+02:002013-11-12T07:48:24.463+02:00http://blog.artscroll.com/2013/11/11/to-all-who-ha...http://blog.artscroll.com/2013/11/11/to-all-who-have-communicated-with-artscroll-regarding-the-dodelson-weiss-matter/statingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45583054887720904302013-11-12T07:01:47.823+02:002013-11-12T07:01:47.823+02:00Hey blatant,
It was a joke :) read it again.
Joe,...Hey blatant,<br />It was a joke :) read it again. <br />Joe,<br />You may be correct about some of your points, however, there should be some type of standard. <br />Once an agreement is made, they should have to follow it. Regardless. There should be some type of small punishment for each violation. Basically we have to figure it out. We need a good organization to do it, and we need to have a system that works for the masses, that is according to Halacha, and agreeable to both parties. <br /><br />We have some organizations that work, like Hatzalah, and Chesed shel Emes, Satmar Bikur Cholim, and then we have some that arent working as well, like Beis Din, I am sure that there are others as well. All we need is an organization that works for Halachic divorce. Asher pihem diber shavnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23659590699805948462013-11-12T06:27:10.138+02:002013-11-12T06:27:10.138+02:00Yes - here is a letter from Rabbi Greenwald saying...Yes - here is a letter from Rabbi Greenwald saying he is NOT an arbitrator: <br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=519281931501721&set=a.480394572057124.1073741827.480356772060904&type=1&theaterFree Gitalhttp://www.setgitalfree.com/refuting-the-weiss-statements.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9928755043229746342013-11-12T05:50:39.585+02:002013-11-12T05:50:39.585+02:00In light of the letter from Ronnie Greenwald on No...In light of the letter from Ronnie Greenwald on November 11, 1:40 pm, will Rav Dovid Shlita be changing his psak?<br /><br />By all appearances, Rav Dovid was mislead by his family when he issued that psak, which indicates that he didn't speak to Ronnie directly. <br /><br />Menachemnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48928217370564455382013-11-12T05:34:52.649+02:002013-11-12T05:34:52.649+02:00Yaakov,
Yes, 'Daas Torah' has long told e...Yaakov,<br /><br />Yes, 'Daas Torah' has long told everyone how awful the Jewish blogosphere is. As my last comment indicated, there are many who stand to gain when everyone checks their brains at the door. <br />And there's a large chasm between being beholden to societal realities, and "modifying Halacha to popular demand". I would have thought you (and your mentors) knew that already, since your presence on the internet is one small reflection of the emes of what I'm saying. Daniel Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-25174243009760457792013-11-12T03:59:04.114+02:002013-11-12T03:59:04.114+02:00I find it beyond DISGUSTING if that is true what y...I find it beyond DISGUSTING if that is true what you are reporting about ArtScroll. I would never want to purchase another Artscroll product again, if that is the case. <br /><br />How do you justify firing a relative of someone you are in conflict with, even if the person you are in conflict with is totally wrong, you cant just fire their relative as retaliation. It would seem that is a Torah prohibition of taking revenge. Even if the husband is in Charem according to one Beit Din --- and that is a very big "if" as another beit din has issued a psak invalidating the cherem --- but his father is not in Charem!!! So how can you fire him?!!? I repeat, this action of ArtScroll, if true, Is BEYOND MORALLY DISGUSTING!!!<br /><br />the Dodleson wealth must have influenced this SICK decision and it speaks to the sickness of their approach. <br /><br />I dont know the law, but would a lawsuit of religious discrimination against ArtScroll be viable as they are persecuting the father for his religious beliefs regarding the appropriate time for giving a get, i.e. only AFTER the psak of a beit din?<br /><br />Any get after these kind of sick pressure tactics would seem to be pasul anyways.Artscroll Torah ?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54249992249813337172013-11-12T03:55:11.585+02:002013-11-12T03:55:11.585+02:00Pinchas Solomon:
How do you know that Artscroll f...Pinchas Solomon:<br /><br />How do you know that Artscroll fired R' Weiss' father? Did they do the same to his uncle? And did they publicly provide a reason or justification for the firing or even let it be publicly known that he was fired?<br /><br />ThanksDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3204913667083540982013-11-12T03:53:45.047+02:002013-11-12T03:53:45.047+02:00zdub, your lack of credibility is demonstrated by ...zdub, your lack of credibility is demonstrated by your lack of making that same point regarding daniel s' unsubstantiated claim made for the opposite side.Prebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83185430386018518922013-11-12T03:42:47.407+02:002013-11-12T03:42:47.407+02:00I agree with EMES LEYAAKOV above. We must do some...I agree with EMES LEYAAKOV above. We must do something to get rid of ORA which is a hate mongering organization bent on destroying marriages and people. I know of countless cases where husbands were showing reasonable concessions to end their divorce dispute but ORA emphatically encourages the women to make no concessions in order to further the cause and thus creating a sort of "PSEUDO-AGUNA crisis in America. In the Weiss -Dodelson case it boils down to : 1) did both sides agree to arbitrate by Rabbi Greenwald? If yes then why is Dodelson stabbing weiss with the Ny Post article? If he or she didnt agree to Arbitration then why not? As of vnow a letter has been produced by Greenwald that both agreed? Therefore the only conclusion is this ORA feminist men hating machine that Herschel Schachter from YU has empowered and causing much grief to the innocent and to making public chilul hashem. I further know of an innocent man that sent all his documentation to herschel schachter via mail, fax and email to vindicate himself from ORA's vicious public attacks, yet Herschel wouldnt even give him a response. in my opinion they are mostly to blame for such acrimony. Additionally ORA has had rallies in areas that ae 100% non- Jewish where non-Jewish neighbors not only couldnt care less but also dont understand the significance of a GET, yet they continue to spread and promote Chilul Hashem. Woe to the rabbis of this generation that remain silent to such injustice and depravity.shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44794495786669805442013-11-12T03:25:07.982+02:002013-11-12T03:25:07.982+02:00To Whom it May Concern,
A number of months ago...To Whom it May Concern,<br /><br /> <br /><br />A number of months ago concerned 3rd parties asked me to offer my services to the Weiss Dodelson Families to serve as Binding Arbitrator for their disputes.<br /><br />I offered my services, and tried to set up an arbitration format that would be agreeable to both sides.<br /><br />I was unable to set up such an acceptable arbitration format, and the parties never agreed to my serving as Binding Arbitrator.<br /><br /> <br /><br />I have since then tried to step forward as a mediator.<br /><br />In this effort too I never received any agreement from the parties to serve as a mediator.<br /><br /> <br /><br />This leaves their disputes as they were prior to my efforts.<br /><br /> <br /><br />While I may continue to try to mediate, I am doing so strictly on my own initiative and not at the request or with the consent of the parties.<br /><br /> I regret if my previous letter of Nov 7th created the mistaken impression that the parties had agreed to my role as either Binding Arbitrator or mediator.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Thank you,<br /><br />Rabbi Ronnie Greenwald<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />_________________________Bobhttp://blogspot.com/2013/11/a-supporter-of-gital-weighs-rav-dovid.htmlnoreply@blogger.com