tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post3176770398231665306..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: The halachic minefield of geirus - The Lakewood ger IVDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49370834615205152532008-04-24T00:15:00.000+03:002008-04-24T00:15:00.000+03:00http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4...http://abcnews.go.com/<BR/>International/wireStory?id=4606372<BR/><BR/>It seems as though the Israeli Gov't welcomes Christian Evangelicals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74790050774372173372008-04-23T23:58:00.000+03:002008-04-23T23:58:00.000+03:00The two bottom blog links are dead. 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A hug.<A HREF="6034537172" REL="nofollow"></A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38666178024350933142008-04-23T13:53:00.000+03:002008-04-23T13:53:00.000+03:00How about fighting this?http://www.jpost.com/servl...How about fighting this?<BR/><BR/>http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208870469395&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull<BR/><BR/>Court applies Law of Return to Messianic Jews because of fathers...<BR/><BR/>Messianic Jews are entitled to Israeli citizenship according to the Law of Return if their father is Jewish, according to a precedent-setting ruling handed down last week by the High Court of Justice.<BR/>[Members of the Messianic...]<BR/><BR/>Members of the Messianic Jewish Alliance of America (people in photo unrelated to story)<BR/>Photo: AP<BR/>Slideshow: Pictures of the week<BR/><BR/>Fifteen years ago, the court rejected a petition by Messianic Jews who demanded to be recognized as Jews so as to automatically receive Israeli citizenship according to the Law of Return. In that landmark case, the court ruled that Messianic Jews had converted, and therefore were no longer Jewish.<BR/><BR/>Since then, the state has refused to grant all requests for citizenship according to the Law of Return by Messianic Jews.<BR/><BR/>Two years ago, however, a number of new immigrants to Israel belonging to the Messianic Jewish community petitioned the High Court after the Interior Ministry refused to grant them new immigrant status and citizenship according to the Law of Return.<BR/><BR/>These petitioners, represented by attorneys Yehuda Raveh and Calev Myers, argued that they were eligible for new immigrant status and citizenship because they were the offsprings of fathers who were Jewish, not because they themselves were Jewish according to the definition of "Who is a Jew" in the Law of Return.<BR/><BR/>According to Amendment 4A (a) to the Law of Return, passed in 1970, "The rights of a Jew under this law... are also vested in a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew, except for a person who has been a Jew and has voluntarily changed his religion."<BR/><BR/>The law defines a Jew as "a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion."<BR/><BR/>According to Myers, 12 Messianic Jews petitioned the High Court after the Interior Ministry refused to register them as new immigrants in accordance with the Law of Return. Myers said they had received letters stating that they would not receive citizenship because they allegedly engaged in missionary activity.<BR/><BR/>An article published in the Baptist Press after the High Court ruling was handed down maintained that the court had ruled that "the Messianics should receive equal treatment under the Israeli Law of Return, which says that anyone who is born Jewish can immigrate from anywhere in the world to Israel and be granted citizenship automatically."<BR/><BR/>But, as was explained to The Jerusalem Post by a legal assistant to Myers, this is apparently a misunderstanding of the ruling, which determined that the petitioners were entitled to automatic new immigrant status and citizenship precisely because they were not Jews as defined by the Law of Return, but rather because they were the offspring of Jewish fathers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80749668493566478492008-04-18T11:41:00.000+03:002008-04-18T11:41:00.000+03:00Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn asks excellent questions.Can s...Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn asks excellent questions.<BR/><BR/>Can someone, anyone, explain just who the "Bais Hora'ah of Lakewood" reaaly is? Who established this halachic body? By whose authority do they come to issue such rulings? It is one thing to certify the kashrus of potato chips, and quite another matter to "certify" a gentile woman AND her kids as being valid Halachic Jews IN THE MIDST OF A PUBLIC SCANDAL. Why did they not seek a ruling from Rav Eliashiv in Israel, or from other American gedolim too, and if they did, which gadol supports them?<BR/><BR/>Does the "Bais Hora'ah of Lakewood" speak with the authority of the official Bais Medrash Gevoha Lakewood yeshiva backing them up? If so, were they appointed, and are they monitered and answerable to the Rosh Yeshiva, Rav Malkiel Kotler and his three co-Roshei Yeshiva, Rav Olshin, Rav Newman, and Rav Shustal??? <BR/><BR/>Could one appeal a verdict of the Bais Hora'ah of Lakewood to the Lakewood Roshei Yeshiva and if so do they also take responsibilty for the geirus performrd on the woman in question and her children?<BR/><BR/>At least with the RCA rabbis, one knows where they are coming from, they are mostly from YU and are Modern Orthodox and have a system in place for better or worse that tries to work in tandem with the Israeli Chief Rabbinate and they have their own world they live in, BUT here we are talking about the major Litvish Haredi center in America and the Lakewood Yeshiva in NJ, together with the Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem are the two largest yeshivas in the world with over 5000 talmidim each, so when a "Bais Hora'ah of Lakewood" issues and publicizes a ruling on the Halchic status of ger/giyores/geirimlach -- then it raises eyebrows because one does not think of Lakewood as a place that the Rabbonim get involved in literally in this case "Federal cases" (in all sense of the word) and make it's voice heard VERY loudly, published thus far on the "ossur" Internet at Vos Iz Neies and on Yeshiva World, the latter being a very Yeshivishly politically correct "establishment conscious" website. <BR/><BR/>Again, usually the most serious things one hears from a distance from organs such as "Bais Hora'ah of Lakewood" is that they ban Lakewood kids from going to local kosher Pizza joints to hang out, or that girls from homes that are deemed to be more "modern" by their standards should not be admitted to local Bais Yaakovs for fear of corrupting other kids and in the process requiring a fairly recent well known intervention from Rav Eliashiv who ordered them to take in all the girls no matter what so that HUNDREDS of frum Jewish girls should not be left out of school on the streets, or that kids of parents they deem to be too "balebatish" should somehow get the message that their sons are not welcome in the Lakewood chadorim, so that these were types of community-related issues some they dabbled in some of which were important yet it did not reach the level of the present case that the honorbale Rabbonim/Dayonim associated with the Bais Hora'ah of Lakewood are letting all of Klal Yisroel know that they have now joined the ranks of Batei Din accepting and certifying geirim as well.<BR/><BR/>As they say in the classics... "tzarich iyun gadol me'od" because at this rate, Rabbi Tropper may soon be seeking out their services for ger applicants via the EJF, and Rabbi Tropper is not known to be fan of the Lakewood Yeshiva either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com