tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post2111319540343094526..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Get refuser who cheated with man jailedDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46188133024032745442012-10-19T18:32:28.777+02:002012-10-19T18:32:28.777+02:00I don't believe that failure to give a get is ...I don't believe that failure to give a get is a jail worthy. Should that law apply to all or just religious JewsChaim V.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20847442636043641152012-10-19T05:17:51.653+02:002012-10-19T05:17:51.653+02:00how can that be a Mekach taous? The man is buyin...how can that be a Mekach taous? The man is buying the woman not the other way around.just saw thishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13275470545739803522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-88991633689789579982012-10-19T02:02:47.156+02:002012-10-19T02:02:47.156+02:00I am making a general comment.
As for its appli...I am making a general comment. <br /><br />As for its application to the Friedman case, are you suggesting that we must assume Rav Gestetner spoke to Tamar unless we have evidence to the contrary? I think that is absurd. Stan spoke with the Rav and he admitted that he didnt speak to her.<br /><br />Rav Gestetner does not believe that halacha in the shulchan Aruch applies to him. Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17043639465204708992012-10-19T00:47:58.911+02:002012-10-19T00:47:58.911+02:00this case makes it very obvious that the system is...this case makes it very obvious that the system is wrong:<br /><br />- it requires the consent of the husband to allow the abandoned wife to remarry<br /><br />- the system is ready to put the husband in jail in order to obtain a coerced consent, i.e. a consent that is no consent.<br /><br />So why not do away with the explicit consent in the shape of a get and just declare that certain acts (like cheating on the wife, being violent, emotionally cruel to the wife, not providing for the family) constitute an implicit consent of divorce (if the wife demands it), because if he wanted to stay married, he would not do it?<br /><br />this way, the husband would not need to go to jail - which is undue harshness for refusal to sign a document - and the abandonned wife could still remarry...Brad1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32730108119709892612012-10-19T00:29:35.974+02:002012-10-19T00:29:35.974+02:00If the only way to have a society function is to h...If the only way to have a society function is to have punishment for misbehaving - there is something wrong with the system and the system should be reviewedDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23933306662723138322012-10-19T00:16:09.460+02:002012-10-19T00:16:09.460+02:00thanks just posted itthanks just posted itDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49444595796350531872012-10-18T23:48:54.283+02:002012-10-18T23:48:54.283+02:00If it is necessary to put people in jail (or apply...If it is necessary to put people in jail (or apply physical force) to obtain a divorce, something is wrong with the system and the system should be reviewed...Brad1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-76627067067883680942012-10-18T23:29:21.563+02:002012-10-18T23:29:21.563+02:00http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2012/05/judge-m-el...http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2012/05/judge-m-elon-prison-to-force-get.htmlDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43656140516488820072012-10-18T23:13:13.334+02:002012-10-18T23:13:13.334+02:00I believe Rav Moshe has a teshuva in the Igros Mos...I believe Rav Moshe has a teshuva in the Igros Moshe about a husband who turned out to be a homosexual and whether that constitutes a mekach taous.Dovidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8675246854254394072012-10-18T23:12:23.383+02:002012-10-18T23:12:23.383+02:00Judge Elon claims that if the husband insists on S...Judge Elon claims that if the husband insists on Shalom Bayis and the wife still demands a Get, there will be no jailing?<br /><br />When does Judge Elon say jail IS used?Dovidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57085739289039345602012-10-18T22:46:27.921+02:002012-10-18T22:46:27.921+02:00If she didn't know about it before marriage th...If she didn't know about it before marriage then it could be a mekach to'ous when she did discover it. If she left him at that point the marriage may be invalid.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63423870266761921332012-10-18T22:45:02.788+02:002012-10-18T22:45:02.788+02:00I didn't say. According to what Justice Elon w...I didn't say. According to what Justice Elon wrote jail is not used in the case of ma'os alei. If you have evidence to the contrary please present it.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55673756715710329812012-10-18T22:32:14.549+02:002012-10-18T22:32:14.549+02:00RDE:
Big news broke in America today:
Boy Scouts...RDE:<br /><br />Big news broke in America today:<br /><br />Boy Scouts Sexual Molestation Scandal<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/us/boy-scout-documents-reveal-decades-of-sexual-abuse.html?pagewanted=all<br /><br />Drudgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61398614064212376882012-10-18T22:19:17.057+02:002012-10-18T22:19:17.057+02:00"depends on situation."
I'm glad yo..."depends on situation."<br /><br />I'm glad you acknowledge that, at least, some of the rabbinite jailing of men that produces a Get renders it a Get Meusa.<br /><br />That fact means one cannot trust a Get that came about via a jailing in Israel.Drudgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-443385488468422662012-10-18T21:55:14.833+02:002012-10-18T21:55:14.833+02:00Do you approve of jail in all situation except for...Do you approve of jail in all situation except for religious torment - if so why?Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62960569475913074432012-10-18T21:52:43.331+02:002012-10-18T21:52:43.331+02:00The P'sak din bei Rav Gestetener explicitly st...The P'sak din bei Rav Gestetener explicitly stated that "maus alai" is NEVER a reason to force a get...<br /><br />Therefore, it seems that not all Rabbonim agree on your three categories..<br /><br />===================<br />please read some of the many posts. Telling a husband that you think it is a good idea - is clearly pressure but that is not the force the disqualifies a get. There are also the charchakos of Rabbeinu Tam or indirect pressure. Please stop making pronouncement when you haven't botherer to study the most elementary material on this topicDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15669038637728939312012-10-18T21:51:48.886+02:002012-10-18T21:51:48.886+02:00If it was occuring prior to marriage, and she prot...If it was occuring prior to marriage, and she protests within 30 days of knowing there would be a tsad to call it a mekach to'ous if he won't give a get according to reb moshe but you would need to ask a godol and there are very few left.<br /><br />there is a tsad of sakonos nefoshos due to transmission of AIDS. rav elyashiv is missing!<br /><br />stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16224083389050955922012-10-18T21:48:58.888+02:002012-10-18T21:48:58.888+02:00Likewise no one is able to disqualify such a deter...Likewise no one is able to disqualify such a determination by hearsay. Who have you talked with?Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49866852045341792932012-10-18T21:47:02.329+02:002012-10-18T21:47:02.329+02:00"The Chareidi rabbonim consider the jailing o..."The Chareidi rabbonim consider the jailing of husbands by the rabbinite of the state to be halachicly invalid and it to be a get m'eusa."<br /><br />depends on situation. There are situation where halacha prescribes force. Please provide citations that say that jail always produces a get me'usaDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31683204677957457532012-10-18T20:21:22.297+02:002012-10-18T20:21:22.297+02:00It is important to note that determinations of whi...It is important to note that determinations of which category to place a woman must be undertaken by halachic experts who are careful to here the facts from both sides.<br /><br />No one is capable of making that determination on the basis of a blog post, diary entry, testimony of a father alone, etc.<br /><br />Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48459172885190647492012-10-18T18:38:24.694+02:002012-10-18T18:38:24.694+02:00The P'sak din bei Rav Gestetener explicitly st...The P'sak din bei Rav Gestetener explicitly stated that "maus alai" is NEVER a reason to force a get...<br /><br />Therefore, it seems that not all Rabbonim agree on your three categories...Bard1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41111541314768773922012-10-18T18:02:22.893+02:002012-10-18T18:02:22.893+02:00The Chareidi rabbonim consider the jailing of husb...The Chareidi rabbonim consider the jailing of husbands by the rabbinite of the state to be halachicly invalid and it to be a get m'eusa.Drudgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82346559835976528952012-10-18T17:45:29.432+02:002012-10-18T17:45:29.432+02:00if you have been reading this blog you will have l...if you have been reading this blog you will have learned that there are in fact times where force is permitted. The problem we have mainly been dealing with is maos alei in which a wife says my husband disgusts me. There are basically three categories. 1 the wife simply wants out or she wants to marry someone else but has no serious claims about her husband 2 she find him disgusting but he isn't doing anything wrong and thus she is a moredes 3 the husband is doing something seriously wrong such as beating her, hacs halachich prohibitions etDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89823654409120348762012-10-18T17:28:19.737+02:002012-10-18T17:28:19.737+02:00Would such a get be halachically acceptable? I'...Would such a get be halachically acceptable? I've read some opinions on this blog which suggest no.betzalelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81093460601054056952012-10-18T16:54:03.114+02:002012-10-18T16:54:03.114+02:00Jailed?? More proof why religion needs to be taken...Jailed?? More proof why religion needs to be taken out of Israeli politics. Unless a "Jewish Taliban" is the real goal here.Chaim V.noreply@blogger.com