tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post2006729536888965670..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rabbi Nissan Kaplan says ‘kill ministers’ statement was only a jokeDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13697426147070755172014-05-27T23:55:11.522+03:002014-05-27T23:55:11.522+03:00Here's another view of this sorry story
http:...Here's another view of this sorry story<br /><br />http://libibamizrach.blogspot.com/2014/05/a-new-low-this-one-i-take-personally.htmlLo Yutzlachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71011660804356039582014-05-25T10:43:22.773+03:002014-05-25T10:43:22.773+03:00Nothing will change. The Mir in Israel views Rabbi...Nothing will change. The Mir in Israel views Rabbi Shteinman as the <br />gadol hador (the greatest torah scholar) and therefore his words are <br />"daas torah" which one is not allowed to disagree with, just like one is<br /> not allowed to disagree with the words of the gemora. It is clear Rabbi<br /> Kaplan's words stemmed from what he believed was Rabbi Shteinman's <br />view, and there are strong indications that Rabbi Shteinman does in fact<br /> hold the goverment is amalek. This is the underlying issue - whether <br />the words of Rabbi Shteinman are "daas torah". I dont think this fiasco <br />will change Rabbi Kaplan's view on this point. It will only change what <br />he says publicly.Michael Rockmillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14411541047790666652014-05-22T13:09:55.586+03:002014-05-22T13:09:55.586+03:00here's what really happened http://atheodoxje...here's what really happened http://atheodoxjew.blogspot.co.il/2014/05/rabbi-nissan-kaplan-affair-good-thing.html chaimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84369690014802435252014-05-21T22:12:34.039+03:002014-05-21T22:12:34.039+03:00This is more akin to piling on Rabbi Kaplan after ...This is more akin to piling on Rabbi Kaplan after he suffered his public embarrassment. There are non-public ways for people to make known to him disapproval of his statement without blasting it over the internet. halpaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11742380457657259441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55778916483973479772014-05-21T22:06:49.806+03:002014-05-21T22:06:49.806+03:00There is no comparison between Rabbi Kaplan's ...There is no comparison between Rabbi Kaplan's "slip of the tongue" and the actions done by (most of) the people you list. I am not familiar with all of the cases you cite (so I limit myself to most), but I don't think Rabbi Sternbuch would agree with your comparison of Rabbi Kaplan to Leib Tropper. The comparison to Mondrowitz is obscene. I am sure that you are a much bigger talmid chochom than I am, but I don't believe that if you asked Rav Sternbuch about this case he would give you the same answer.halpaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11742380457657259441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19080149345334387812014-05-21T03:25:51.715+03:002014-05-21T03:25:51.715+03:00When the public knows something was done by a Tora...When the public knows something was done by a Torah scholar and nobody protests it, they can think that all Torah people agree. If somebody condemns the act, he prevents this.Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91846801479123244592014-05-21T03:23:32.984+03:002014-05-21T03:23:32.984+03:00Eddie is back,
I don't know what haredei gadol...Eddie is back,<br />I don't know what haredei gadol said it. I don't know the person who claims this or that. But I did have many tapes of Rabbi Schachter. Now, of course, YU has taken off his tapes because of the FBI. All I know is that on this blog someone I never heard of said something that I don't know is true that somebody said something. I don't talk about things out of my range.Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9125512435823166402014-05-21T01:03:00.859+03:002014-05-21T01:03:00.859+03:00@halpap are you really serious that the misdeeds o...@halpap are you really serious that the misdeeds of talmidei chachom are to be forgotten and not reported or discussed because we need to presume that they did teshuva?! Leib Tropper is a solid talmid chachom yet Rav Sternbuch told me to publicize his misdeeds - no presumption of teshuva there. Motti Elon - no presumption of teshuva, Dovid Weinberger was just driven out of the 5 Towns - no presumption of teshuva. Mordechai Tendler - no presumption of teshuva, Mondrowitz and Weingarten - no presumption of teshuva. Epstein and Wolmark - we need to assume they did teshuva? Rabbi Belsky and Rabbi Kotler - did you assume they did teshuva in the recent Kolko case?<br /><br />We don't live in the same world and you don't know what you are talking about! Even in the above cases where some might have actually done teshuva -their deeds are still being publicized.<br />Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84172177678035850352014-05-21T00:52:43.186+03:002014-05-21T00:52:43.186+03:00Not only might they take the statement literally b...Not only might they take the statement literally but the people in my circles who heard the statement were shocked that a talmid chachom would talk that way. Don't understand why you think discussion on a blog have the same importance as the public address by a major talmid chachom calling for violence. It is not only whether it will be taken literally but also the subject matterDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-4973300417035570662014-05-20T22:28:09.844+03:002014-05-20T22:28:09.844+03:00this is 100% correct. Could not have said it bette...this is 100% correct. Could not have said it better.TTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14295622149201637312014-05-20T19:27:09.675+03:002014-05-20T19:27:09.675+03:00Daas Torah:
I have studied hilchos loshon hora an...Daas Torah:<br /><br />I have studied hilchos loshon hora and there is a presumption that a talmid chochom has done teshuva and that one should not report the misdeeds of a talmid chochom. Your comparison to a child molestor is extremely inappropriate. In the case of a child molester there is a clear need to protect the public. The laws of toeles are very difficult to meet and I don't believe that you have done so. I certainly don't think having inaptly worded statement on your website will inspire the R. Kaplan to more carefully choose his words more than the brouhaha that preceded your posting. Have you gotten hadracha from R. Moshe Sternbuch or other Gedolim with whom you have a relationship as to what is appropriate to post and what not? I am not a frequent poster or visitor, and you frequently have valuable information posted, but in this case I think you erred.halpaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11742380457657259441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78468852046450002782014-05-20T10:36:53.864+03:002014-05-20T10:36:53.864+03:00Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking
When I said...Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking<br />When I said I'd like to<br />Smash every tooth in your head<br /><br />Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking<br />When I said by rights you should be<br />Bludgeoned in your bed<br /><br />The Smiths - Bigmouth Strikes AgainAdamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-72851139985839944542014-05-19T23:24:09.405+03:002014-05-19T23:24:09.405+03:00Daas Torah - I assume that the comment is "hi...Daas Torah - I assume that the comment is "highly irresponsible" because in your opinion some people might take it literally. Aren't you worried that those people might read your blog - you get all sorts here! I think that according to your logic it is "highly irresponsible" to not delete this thread. Chaimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05331877663627621320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8851979816997836202014-05-19T22:39:26.446+03:002014-05-19T22:39:26.446+03:00@halpap - please go back and study lashon harah. A...@halpap - please go back and study lashon harah. A major talmid chachom issued a highly irresponsible statement. He obviously thought he could get away with it because he was only speaking to charedim. Just as Rav Shachter thought he could get away when he said similar things because he was speaking to his people. <br /><br />Chazon Ish says it is important to know the nature of our rabbinical leaders in the same way we need to know the quality of a plumber- what they can do well and what they can't do well.<br /><br />An apology doesn't remove the damage that was done nor does it explain why he said it in the first place. Consequently it is important to be aware of this when judging future statements that he issues.<br /><br />Where do you get the idea that you can say something so horrible and say "I am sorry I was only joking" and it is as if nothing happened?!<br /><br />A child molestor - who is a talmid chachom - needs merely to say he is sorry and then we don't go to the police? Epstein who spent 20 years beating husband to give a get just needs to say he is sorry and then we can't talk about it anymore? <br /><br />in short there is to'eles in talking about it and hopefully another talmid chachom won't make the same stupid mistake of thinking he can say something so horrific and he won't get caught or he can say "it was a joke" or "my fingers were crossed when I said it" Perhaps even more important maybe it will inspire introspection so that rabbis will understand these things should not even be thought and surely not spoken.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71011188995296387572014-05-19T19:15:37.973+03:002014-05-19T19:15:37.973+03:00Why is this posted here? This is pure lashon hora...Why is this posted here? This is pure lashon hora. He is a talmid chocham. He regrets saying what he said. Why are we spreading it further?halpaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11742380457657259441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83232493555894783282014-05-19T19:15:24.440+03:002014-05-19T19:15:24.440+03:00Why is this posted here? This is pure lashon hora...Why is this posted here? This is pure lashon hora. He is a talmid chocham. He regrets saying what he said. Why are we spreading it further?halpaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11742380457657259441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9577749997752456252014-05-19T13:16:20.161+03:002014-05-19T13:16:20.161+03:00Like I said, he was exaggerating ti make a point. ...Like I said, he was exaggerating ti make a point. This was a mussar vaad, not a halacha lemaase shiur. You've never heard a story of questionable veracity in a mussar schmooze or drasha, in which the point is not the actual truthfulness of the story?Superintendant Chalmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41974256541498896212014-05-19T09:07:40.046+03:002014-05-19T09:07:40.046+03:00Did you listen to the recording? He wasn't jo...Did you listen to the recording? He wasn't joking. If he was, then why would anyone ever listen to him again--quoting Rav Steinman, that wasn't a quote. This isn't a modern orthodox blogger issue, it's an example of how the Haredi world is bankrupt. Yishmael was just joking, right?Adamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13326384284476263252014-05-19T04:29:01.017+03:002014-05-19T04:29:01.017+03:00He should not have said it, but let's get real...He should not have said it, but let's get real - he was obviously not actually promoting violence, he was just exaggerating to make a point. All the talk about knives, swords, hammers, as if we were living in the time of the Chashmonaim...if he were really promoting violence, the obvious weapon of choice would be guns, but he was clearly not speaking about actual violence, but about fealty to the gedolim that would express itself in such a way.<br /><br />What really irks me is the self-righteous modern orthodox bloggers (like the shoteh Slifkin) jumping on any opportunity to attack chareidim, and in the process disparaging and insulting a world class talmid chacham. Superintendant Chalmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43846650860638258322014-05-19T01:32:34.801+03:002014-05-19T01:32:34.801+03:00When MO R' Hershel Shachter made such a joke ...When MO R' Hershel Shachter made such a joke about killing the PM (if he decides to surrender Jerusalem), I believe R' Dovid and possibly R' Daniel attackd him for this, even if it was in jest. why are they silent when hareidi gadol says it?Eddie is backnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82669270442541190532014-05-18T21:31:10.223+03:002014-05-18T21:31:10.223+03:00I personally think what he meant was that if Rav S...I personally think what he meant was that if Rav Shteinman declared them Amalek then it would be like Moshe Rabeinu telling the Leviim to kill their relatives who worshipped the golden calf. Of course, it was all just theoretical. <br /> <br />I think Rav Kaplan does not want more misunderstandings so he is not giving any clarification.<br />just apologies.<br />raynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73262185894069490792014-05-18T21:27:33.415+03:002014-05-18T21:27:33.415+03:00Correction: "instilling", not "dist...Correction: "instilling", not "distilling"Joe Orlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01647300462644754688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74641649307714926502014-05-18T20:24:16.903+03:002014-05-18T20:24:16.903+03:00If I could be M'lamed Z'chus: Jews living ...If I could be M'lamed Z'chus: Jews living in Eretz Yisrael live with, and are surrounded by, an Arab population that to a significant extent is determined to do violence against Jews. These Arabs can be vocal and explicit about the violence, including openly distilling this drive to murder into Arab children.<br /><br />A Jew immersed in this drumbeat of carnage may become desensitized to the language of mayhem and may make an offhand comment using a style of speech he has unconsciously adopted from his environment.<br /><br />Oy L'rasha, Oy L'sh'chaino. Words expressing certain concepts can seep into someone's thought process and corrode and damage their speech. Happens to me way more times than I like, and to ward it off I find myself telling people sometimes not to express themselves using off-color terminology -- not because I want to control them, but because I don't want to end up internalizing it.Joe Orlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01647300462644754688noreply@blogger.com