tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post2001655853610614402..comments2024-03-29T09:34:59.827+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: The "Dybuk from Brazil" admits it was a fraudDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31491819562489820792010-11-23T00:26:55.143+02:002010-11-23T00:26:55.143+02:00Here are examples of what I was referring to:
&qu...Here are examples of what I was referring to:<br /><br />"Gadol Hador?!?!?! I have said nothing against HaRav HaGaom Rabbeinu Ovadiah Yosef Shlit"a. The only Rav I know of that is worthy of the title Gadol Hador hasn't even entered this conversation."<br /><br />"Harold, THE Godol Hador I would say is HaRav Shalom Yosef Elyashev shlita, although you are correct that HaRav Moshe Shternbuch is also a Godol Hador, and mekunal" <br /><br />Alias: My Gadol hador is the only true gadol hador, your gadol hador is nothing but...<br /><br />Like soccer fans... Or Spaniards uplifting their local vergin, back in their time (I do not know whether they still exist).Strange personalitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91927735183468282292010-11-22T23:49:23.118+02:002010-11-22T23:49:23.118+02:00Strange personality --
Where in this discussion d...Strange personality --<br /><br />Where in this discussion do you see anyone "insult other rebbes" as you put it? Can you cite specifically which comment you refer to?<br /><br />ThanksMO Spokesmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6808227365049167812010-11-22T22:10:33.825+02:002010-11-22T22:10:33.825+02:00Your discussion reminds me of the disputes between...Your discussion reminds me of the disputes between villages in Spain, each one defending their "holy virgin". "La unica verdadera vergin es la de Santa Maria de las Gracias, la vergin de Riveras de Alhamos es una puta..."<br /><br />I think it is OK for each and every one of you to believe that your Rebbe is a great saint, the only one you personally would trust. But from there to go and insult other rebbes is too much arrogance in my view.<br /><br />It just makes Torah look so ridiculous. You are like soccer fans, each one defending his club and insulting the one of the neighbouring city.Strange personalitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-59676883631033269862010-11-22T05:04:52.991+02:002010-11-22T05:04:52.991+02:00In 1999 Rav Batzri shlita also had a Dybbuk Exorci...In 1999 Rav Batzri shlita also had a Dybbuk Exorcism, that the person later admitted was a hoax like this one.<br /><br />http://matzav.com/video-rav-batzris-dybbuk-exorcism-in-1999Chaim Grossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-92076091486478257162010-11-22T03:56:54.292+02:002010-11-22T03:56:54.292+02:00Harold, THE Godol Hador I would say is HaRav Shalo...Harold, THE Godol Hador I would say is HaRav Shalom Yosef Elyashev shlita, although you are correct that HaRav Moshe Shternbuch is also a Godol Hador, and mekunal insinuations are mevaze talmid chochom, which can potentially place him as an apikorus.Shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79796230174695299332010-11-22T03:26:29.878+02:002010-11-22T03:26:29.878+02:00Just looked at mekubals posted email. It doesn'...Just looked at mekubals posted email. It doesn't demonstrate much, as it doesn't indicate anywhere on what basis or authority the emails author asserted the info regarding Rav Shternbuch's SON's supposed interactions with his father.Shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43930152595088551332010-11-22T02:16:04.231+02:002010-11-22T02:16:04.231+02:00Gadol Hador?!?!?! I have said nothing against HaR...Gadol Hador?!?!?! I have said nothing against HaRav HaGaom Rabbeinu Ovadiah Yosef Shlit"a. The only Rav I know of that is worthy of the title Gadol Hador hasn't even entered this conversation.<br /><br />Other than blog owner, to whom is Rav Sternbuch make that proclamation? Every news source that I saw, everyone sited above, claims this very blog as its source. I have given you evidence, black on white, that the blog owner himself knew that Rav Shternbuch initially credited the Dybuk as being real. Your denials are backed by no evidence. Unless you can refute the evidence thus laid before you, you are left sounding like those who claimed Tropper was innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64293543388725386782010-11-21T22:44:55.376+02:002010-11-21T22:44:55.376+02:00This wasn't the first time a so-called dybuk t...This wasn't the first time a so-called dybuk turned out to be a farce, that Rav Batri accepted as a dibbuk,Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73659268253696225872010-11-21T21:34:27.541+02:002010-11-21T21:34:27.541+02:00r batzri became a millionare from the first dybuk....r batzri became a millionare from the first dybuk...now takes thousands of dollars for bracha-tikkun...in other words he is bribed...can't see the truth...Rehov slonim 11noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34904372050274589282010-11-21T21:07:34.448+02:002010-11-21T21:07:34.448+02:00mekubal:
Don't try to shift the blame to R. E...mekubal:<br /><br />Don't try to shift the blame to R. Eidensohn. Rav Shterbuch shlit"a said very clearly he never made a proclamation of nidoi. So your two-bit accusation is against the godol hador.Harold Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90241121271364120322010-11-21T20:06:09.675+02:002010-11-21T20:06:09.675+02:00Harold,
You should note that my accusation is not ...Harold,<br />You should note that my accusation is not against Rav Shternbuch. He personally said nothing to the press. The blog owner was his mouth piece. The blog owner, knew from the start what was and was not true. The blog owner choose to withhold certain facts.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-4532324632218952012010-11-21T19:38:54.796+02:002010-11-21T19:38:54.796+02:00Why R' Eidensohn doesn't own up to his own...Why R' Eidensohn doesn't own up to his own bad reporting... I can't say. Though I do have to wonder if trying to get that same Rabbi to back his book has something to do with it.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19113370150040389122010-11-21T19:35:31.761+02:002010-11-21T19:35:31.761+02:00Then you apparently didn't look.
It was an ...Then you apparently didn't look. <br /><br />It was an email from him R' Eidensohn.<br /><br />Keep your head in the sand if you so desire.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15032827136118953392010-11-21T18:51:06.677+02:002010-11-21T18:51:06.677+02:00mekubal:
I don't see your name and location o...mekubal:<br /><br />I don't see your name and location on your blog.<br /><br />I don't see R. Eidensohn -- who owns this blog -- confirming your accusations that HaRav Shternbuch shlit"a is a boldfaced lier.Harold Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89711185452771160932010-11-21T17:42:00.419+02:002010-11-21T17:42:00.419+02:00All necessary evidence, as well as lack of any tru...All necessary evidence, as well as lack of any true anonymity is found on my blog. Feel free to see there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50314862402279869862010-11-21T16:37:11.287+02:002010-11-21T16:37:11.287+02:00Harold,
I think I am the guy with the original em...Harold,<br /><br />I think I am the guy with the original email from Rabbi Eidensohn, which states just that. I think I am the guy with hard evidence to the contrary. In fact <a href="http://mekubal.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/truth-will-out/" rel="nofollow">I am guy who just posted an image of the full unedited email where Rabbi Eidensohn states just that... here for anyone interested in the truth</a>. So please feel free to continue with your delusions and your lies. Whatever needs to be done to <i>protect</i> the image of your own Gedolim.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43731292359876316932010-11-21T07:08:47.708+02:002010-11-21T07:08:47.708+02:00mekubal:
Who do you think your kidding when you a...mekubal:<br /><br />Who do you think your kidding when you anonymously try to insinuate that the godol HaRav Shternbuch shlit"a made a boldfaced lie to R. Eidensohn when he "categorically denied" (as R. Eidensohn posted and linked above) reports of any "involvement with the proclamation of nidoi" by him.Harold Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35692714713737265762010-11-20T17:52:00.803+02:002010-11-20T17:52:00.803+02:00And as I clearly showed above, R' Eidensohn ad...And as I clearly showed above, R' Eidensohn admittedly withheld information, the specific information that Rav Shternbuch did initially put the dybuk into niddoi and only later changed his mind.<br /><br />To say that Rav Eliahshiv has no business with the concept of dybukim is actually quite problematic, as he has safe-guarded and seen to the publication of one of greatest commentaries on Kitvei Ha'Ari, the "Leshem" which was the work of his <i>own</i> father.<br /><br />So why not drop the lies and smokescreens and just admit that this guy duped a good number of Gedolim(if he isn't lying now).Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81647552729734419992010-11-19T19:31:28.941+02:002010-11-19T19:31:28.941+02:00mekubal:
That is the craziest apologetic explanat...mekubal:<br /><br />That is the craziest apologetic explanation you could have invented for being a mekubal.<br /><br />When Rav Elyashev reportedly said "I have no business with dibuks", he is saying he has no business with the concept of dibuks and will not entertain a crazy man claiming to have a dibuk. Why should Rav Elyashev say the man is mentally ill? He isn't a physician or psychiatrist. The man could just as well have been mentally well, just lying and acting.<br /><br />As far as Rav Shternbuch is concerned, Rabbi Eidensohn <a href="http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/01/rav-sternbuch-dybuk-is-mental-illness.html" rel="nofollow">very clearly reported over here</a> that Rav Shternbuch told him directly that he never put the so-called dybuk in niddoi and told Rabbi Eidensohn to make that clear to the public, and that this is a case of mental illness. Rav Shternbuch was the ONLY one who addressed this Brazilian's issue that got the issue right.Harold Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79155292325266588552010-11-19T08:20:01.641+02:002010-11-19T08:20:01.641+02:00Rav Elishiv:
I have no business with dibuks.
He c...Rav Elishiv:<br /><i>I have no business with dibuks</i>.<br /><br />He could have said that the man has a mental illness. Instead he said that he refused to meet with him because he had a dybuk and Rav Eliashiv refuses to have dealings with dybukim. <br /><br />Rav Shternbuch told his son to say in his name that the dybuk was in niduy. <br /><br />The others(apparently not believeing that the man had a mental illness) either did or did not meet with him(it is a apparent that some did) and sent him to Rav Batzri for an exorcism!!!<br /><br />If they all thought it was a mental illness why did they not send him to a mental health professional. Bikur Holim(just a few blocks from Rav Batzri's Yeshiva) has a full wing dedicated to mental health issues such as Jerusalem Syndrome.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10291529739121364082010-11-16T20:48:01.247+02:002010-11-16T20:48:01.247+02:00More than one of the articles cited above say just...More than one of the articles cited above say just that -- that they sent him to Rav Batzri; not that they said "yes, you got a dybbuk in you."Shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-88541643337545664062010-11-16T18:16:20.208+02:002010-11-16T18:16:20.208+02:00None of the gedolim accepted it was a dyybuk. They...<i>None of the gedolim accepted it was a dyybuk. They simply sent him to Rav Batzri to figure out what the story was.</i><br />Proof please?<br /><br />We have a cited article from the time above, and other cited material saying the opposite. On the other side we have a bunch of people who are simply saying "not so."<br /><br />That is not a credible argument, it is just... well an ostrich putting its head in the ground in hopes that the predator won't see it comes to mind.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48615687129696194072010-11-15T23:25:12.760+02:002010-11-15T23:25:12.760+02:00None of the gedolim accepted it was a dyybuk. They...None of the gedolim accepted it was a dyybuk. They simply sent him to Rav Batzri to figure out what the story was.Shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84901123058713410892010-11-15T21:43:11.344+02:002010-11-15T21:43:11.344+02:00mekubal - re: your latest comment.
Exactly right....mekubal - re: your latest comment.<br /><br />Exactly right. The gedolim, when the story first came out, gave credence to the story. They only sent him to Rav Batzri because they felt themselves unqualified to extract dybukkim. They certainly confirmed belief in the dybuk and possibility of dybukim-possessions such as described in this case. <br /><br />You are right that it is only now, after the fact, when this case is proven a fraud, that the frum-robot media clowns are trying to pretend that "the gedolim" said it was false all along, as another "confirmation" of the gedolim's all-seeing powers - even though this case was quite the opposite in fact.<br /><br />At the time, only Rav Shternbuch was saying it's not a dybbuk at all, it's a mental illness. And yes, this brazilian was afflicted with a mental illness - the type where he is criminally deceptive and takes advantage of thousands of gullible irrational people.Student Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87400482303296995062010-11-15T15:50:12.980+02:002010-11-15T15:50:12.980+02:00All of the gedolim knew this was a charade from th...All of the gedolim knew this was a charade from the beginning. Look at all the stories from the time.Chaim Grossnoreply@blogger.com