tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post126522051808516678..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: LIBERAL ORTHODOX YESHIVA SAYS IT WILL NOT ORDAIN GAY STUDENTDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger147125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47186420217696827062019-05-06T21:14:26.317+03:002019-05-06T21:14:26.317+03:00The Ribbono Shel Olam "brought us Zionism&quo...The Ribbono Shel Olam "brought us Zionism"Snagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14007994437044446972019-04-15T00:07:00.057+03:002019-04-15T00:07:00.057+03:00The Mishnah and Gemara define Avodah Zarah, eg whe...The Mishnah and Gemara define Avodah Zarah, eg when you throw stones at merculis, or defecate at baal peor etc. So what is the Avodah zarah which you allege, that fulfills these definitions? And why are your Chassidic friends who promote Pantheism, eg the Besht and the Bal haTanya, exempt from this lable? (The Gra and R' C. Volozhiner accused them of avodah zarah).Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77893546943355779882019-04-14T23:25:38.330+03:002019-04-14T23:25:38.330+03:00Which is worse public Avodah Zarahcausing all sins...Which is worse public Avodah Zarahcausing all sins including Niuf also or relative prvate korais Niuf alone ?<br />you ChooseBerelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51438478804807318932019-04-14T23:23:42.704+03:002019-04-14T23:23:42.704+03:00bought and paid forbought and paid forBerelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91004803751343156882019-04-10T22:17:39.165+03:002019-04-10T22:17:39.165+03:00UTJ office
https://images1-ynet-prod.azure...UTJ office<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />https://images1-ynet-prod.azureedge.net//PicServer5/2019/02/14/9066299/90662980100892640360no.jpgKalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35673197090047794652019-04-10T22:12:24.820+03:002019-04-10T22:12:24.820+03:00Brunei starting sekilah punishment, and they have...Brunei starting sekilah punishment, and they have opposition in democracies:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-cancel-bravery-awards-at-dorchester-over-brunei-s-anti-gay-laws-68tqkncws?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1pXwoZ9TnM8jhJg4upmrVCUB95lkefFwZIockxFoTeutnSFartC5s3r0Y#Echobox=1554913863Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60330270116146119322019-04-10T21:43:30.465+03:002019-04-10T21:43:30.465+03:00Maybe those who oppose the TORAH Zionism, who deny...Maybe those who oppose the TORAH Zionism, who deny G-d promising eretz yisrael toys, are the tamei kofrim and sonei Hashem.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70787291445352988892019-04-10T21:20:17.158+03:002019-04-10T21:20:17.158+03:00You think they are worse than or equal to homosexu...You think they are worse than or equal to homosexual behavior ? I mean frum Zionist. YOU obviously think a gay antizionist is better than a shulchan Aruch frum ZionistKalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57650782740817392022019-04-10T20:55:33.923+03:002019-04-10T20:55:33.923+03:00thats why we wnt nothing to do with the Tamai! Zi...thats why we wnt nothing to do with the Tamai! ZionistsBerelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41567477680974356032019-04-10T20:07:24.441+03:002019-04-10T20:07:24.441+03:00You see, outside of the discussion on Tzionut, you...You see, outside of the discussion on Tzionut, you have half decent Torah hashkafahKalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70309899144726881792019-04-10T18:20:17.257+03:002019-04-10T18:20:17.257+03:00this is being foisted on the publicthis is being foisted on the publicBerelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74405163342384793422019-04-10T17:22:06.209+03:002019-04-10T17:22:06.209+03:00Daf Hayomi one hour ago
Chullin 134b:
“Our Rabbis ...Daf Hayomi one hour ago<br />Chullin 134b:<br />“Our Rabbis taught: The shoulder [Deut. XVIII, 3. הזרוע], that is, the right shoulder. You say it is the right shoulder, but perhaps it is the left? Scripture therefore says: The shoulder. How is this implied? As Raba said: The thigh [Gen. XXXII, 33. V. supra 91a. The implication is from the additional ה the, in each case] means the right thigh, so The shoulder means the right shoulder. And for what purpose is the cheeks stated [i.e., the additional ה, the]? To include the wool Upon the head of sheep and the hair of the beard of goats. And for what purpose is The maw stated [i.e., the additional ה, the]? To include the fat that lies upon the stomach and the fat within the stomach [The fat upon the greater and lesser curvatures of the stomach; v. Tur. Yoreh De'ah c. LXI. Perhaps the second וחלב should be read וחלב, i.e., the milk within the stomach; and from Rashi (in MSS.) this would appear to be the meaning]. For R. Joshua [Probably R. Joshua b. Levi; so MS .M. In many MSS. (v. Bah) For at the head of this passage is omitted, and the passage is quite independent of what has gone before] said: The priests were in the habit of being generous with this [Sc., the supplementary portions of the stomach. Cf. Taz, Yoreh De'ah c. LXI, sub-sec. 7] and used to return it to the owners. The only reason [for returning it] is that they were in the habit [of doing so], but had they not been of this habit it certainly would have belonged to them. The interpreters of Scripture by symbol [דורשי חמורות in MS.M. דורשי רשומות. See the exhaustive discussion of Lauterbach in JQR. (N.S.) I, pp. 291-333, 503, 531] used to say: The shoulder [These portions were granted to the priests as a reward for Phinehas's zealous act in slaying Zimri, and so turned away God's wrath from Israel. V. Num. XXV, 6ff] represents the hand [of Phinehas], for it is written: When Phinehas, son of Eleazar son of Aaron the priest, saw this, he left the assembly and, taking a spear in his hand” (Numbers 25:7) [Presumably in his right hand, consequently it is the right shoulder that is to be given]. The cheeks represent his prayer, for so it is written: “Phinehas stepped forth and intervened ויפלל and the plague ceased”(Psalms 106:30). The maw — this is to be taken in its literal sense, for so it is written: “he followed the Israelite into the chamber and stabbed both of them, the Israelite and the woman, through the belly. Then the plague against the Israelites was checked” (Numbers 25:8).”<br />See, Zimri wanted to marry Cozbi the daughter of Zur. “The name of the Israelite who was killed, the one who was killed with the Midianite woman, was Zimri son of Salu, chieftain of a Simeonite ancestral house. The name of the Midianite woman who was killed was Cozbi daughter of Zur; he was the tribal head of an ancestral house in Midian.” (Numbers 25:5-6).<br />Does Moses share some of the blame of the sin of Baal Peor? Does Aaron share dome of the blame of the sin of the Golden Calf? See my http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/23486Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35741731311561067452019-04-10T16:28:35.533+03:002019-04-10T16:28:35.533+03:00Well said. I don't often agree with Rav Gordim...Well said. I don't often agree with Rav Gordimer, but on this occasion he even seems a bit too lenient towards them. There is no orthodox gay marriage, it's a bloody oxymoron. <br />Anyone who tries to accommodate this meshugas with Torah will get themselves into a serious muddle.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40097530992420618382019-04-10T14:53:07.144+03:002019-04-10T14:53:07.144+03:00Bravo Rabbi Gordimer. See http://www.israelnationa...Bravo Rabbi Gordimer. See http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/23714<br />Imagine a kosher-certified restaurant whose menu includes ham and cheese sandwiches and shrimp. You ask the certifying rabbi: “How can this be kosher!?”, and he replies, “It’s a new kashrut standard, which I call ‘Open Kosher’.”<br />This is the sin of Baal Peor: “While Israel was staying at Shittim, the people profaned themselves by whoring ויחל העם לזנות [others, began to commit harlotry] with the Moabite women, who invited the people to the sacrifices for their god. The people partook of them and worshiped that god. Thus Israel attached itself to Baal-Peor, and the Lord was incensed with Israel ויחר אף ה' בישראל. The Lord said to Moses, Take all the ringleaders כל ראשי העם [lit. heads of the people] and have them publicly נגד השמש [Others, in face of the sun] impaled before the Lord, so that the Lord’s wrath may turn away from Israel. 5So Moses said to Israel’s officials, Each of you slay those of his men who attached themselves to Baal-Peor.” (Numbers 25:).<br />Midrash Rabbah - Numbers XX:24<br />“Just then one of the Israelites came and brought a Midianite woman over to his companions, in the sight of Moses and of the whole Israelite community who were weeping at the entrance of the Tent of Meeting” (Numbers 25:6). What reason had he for doing so? It serves to teach you that he showed no respect either for heaven or for man. Of him it says, “The proud, insolent man, scoffer is his name, Acts in a frenzy of insolence” (Proverbs 21:24). The woman said to him: I shall give myself to none but Moses, for so my father Balak bade me, not to yield to any one but to Moses your master, because my father was a king. Said he to her: Behold, I am as great as he is! I shall bring you out before their eyes! He seized her by her plait and brought her to Moses. He said to him: O son of Amram! Is this woman permitted [in marriage] or forbidden? He answered him: She is forbidden to you. Said Zimri to him: Yet the woman whom you married was a Midianitess! Thereupon Moses felt powerless and the law slipped from his mind. All Israel wailed aloud; for it says, THEY WERE WEEPING (XXV, 6). What were they weeping for? Because they became powerless at that moment. This may be illustrated by a parable. It is like the case of a king's daughter who, having adorned herself for the purpose of entering the bridal chamber and sitting in a palanquin, was discovered misconducting herself with a stranger, and so her father and her relatives lost heart. It was the same with Israel. At the end of forty years they camped by the Jordan to cross over into the Land of Israel; as it says, And they pitched by the Jordan, from Beth-jeshimoth even unto Abel-shittim in the plains of Moab (Num. XXXIII, 49), and there they gave way to harlotry. The courage of Moses failed him as did that of the righteous with him. THEY WERE WEEPING. But surely Moses had stood against sixty myriads; as is proved by the text which says, And he took the calf which they had made and burnt it (Ex. XXXII, 20)! Would his courage fail him now? It was, however, in order that Phinehas might come and receive his due. And because Moses had been tardy, No man knoweth of his sepulchre (Deut. XXXIV, 6). This serves to teach you that a man must be as fierce as a leopard, swift as an eagle, fleet as a hart, and strong as a lion in the performance of his Maker's Will. From this you can also infer that He is meticulously exacting towards the righteous, aye, even to as much as a hair's breadth!Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57219131991840072282019-04-10T11:37:56.844+03:002019-04-10T11:37:56.844+03:00There is also Reb nachman of breslov tikkun, or te...There is also Reb nachman of breslov tikkun, or teshuva me ahava.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23682746138702445532019-04-10T11:33:21.663+03:002019-04-10T11:33:21.663+03:00Hmm. It's a straw man if what you propose is n...Hmm. It's a straw man if what you propose is not a gezeira, or doesn't imply gezeira. <br />A gezeira is a fence or prohibition to prevent a biblical sin, eg muktzeh for shabbat. <br />(Smartphone is assur for some by gezeira. The Torah doesn't forbid using a phone with screen per se. )<br />Your argument is that in order to prevent feigeles from their sinful act, they should remain celibate. <br />I see that as a gezeira. But even if you deny it's a gezeira, it's still absurd . If someone cannot escape their gay taavah, Kal vchomer they will not accept being celibate.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64290848529911216772019-04-10T02:59:59.135+03:002019-04-10T02:59:59.135+03:00Also, Onan is a separate case from the other thing...Also, Onan is a separate case from the other thing that is assur. If it was so assur , then marital relations a) with a pregnant wife, b) a no longer fertile wife, c) lo'darka would all be assur, when they are in fact all mutar. <br /><br />I am modifying my original argument, as I accept there is a clear issur. i am questioning the nature of that issur and whether or not it is based on Onan.<br />As an aside, I read once that either the Arizal or the Zohar says that Er read backwards is Ra - which implies that Er was also doing evil like Onan. nice bit of of kabbalah thrown in.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43830763385528462562019-04-10T02:29:05.570+03:002019-04-10T02:29:05.570+03:00Shame on you for putting words into my mouth that ...Shame on you for putting words into my mouth that I never said or suggested, and then attacking them as deluded. <br /><br />That is the classic "straw man" form of argument, which is based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was NOT presented by that opponent.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manIsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45952566698130587302019-04-10T02:23:04.674+03:002019-04-10T02:23:04.674+03:00Your question about teshuva always helping, since ...Your question about teshuva always helping, since nothing stands in the way of someone who does teshuva, is not a new question, and was asked centuries ago. <br /><br />See Reishis Chochmah (Shaar HaKedusha, 17) who gives several answers.<br /><br />However the Zohar, as quoted by R' Chaim Vital in Shaar Hakavanot (Drushei Layla, 7) does NOT say that there's absolutely no teshuva for wasting seed. It merely says that "plain" teshuva is insufficient, because this sin needs "heavy duty" teshuva.<br />שכל העבירות תליין בתיובתא לבד ממוצי' שז"ל דלית ליה תיובתא בר בטורח סגי ויתיר<br /><br />This is in consonance with the words of the Zohar (2:214b)<br />והני מילי כד לא עבד תיובתא שלימתא, תיובתא דאיהי אתחזייא לחפייא על כל עובדוי<br />that imply that "teshuva sheleima" does help.<br /><br />See also Shut Maharsham (1:58, end)<br />http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1386&pgnum=93<br />from the Zohar (Chodosh) Rus (12) that through "teshuva sheleima" and Torah study, a person can be totally forgiven.IsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62086491240405799542019-04-10T02:06:20.647+03:002019-04-10T02:06:20.647+03:00a) fair enough, I'll find a source that suppor...a) fair enough, I'll find a source that supports it.<br /><br /><br />b) in that case good luck, but you won't find many people who fit into it.<br /><br /><br />c) Shame on me? For what exactly? It's a gezeira like it or not. That is the general rule for gezeiros, and in this case, your suggestion doesn't pass the gezeiro "sniff test".Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64619697936449718012019-04-10T01:27:54.605+03:002019-04-10T01:27:54.605+03:00a) I stand by what I said. Your "pshet'l&...a) I stand by what I said. Your "pshet'l" about Onan doesn't pass the the sniff test of he mishna and gemara in Niddah 13, and the ruling of the Shulchan Aruch (EH 23:1-2).<br /><br />b) I don't base my opinions on surveys. I stated what I believe to be the correct approach for a conflicted Torah Jew, who is committed to not sinning. Do you have a different suggestion? Remember, the case as presented, was that the only two viable options are either celibacy or sinning.<br /><br />c) Shame on you. You're attacking a straw man. I never even remotely suggested making a gezeira "imposing" celibacy on feiglach. I merely stated what I believe the Torah requires from such a person, given the particular circumstances.IsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54998707209168530222019-04-10T00:46:07.925+03:002019-04-10T00:46:07.925+03:00"even today, in the Catholic Church, priests ..."even today, in the Catholic Church, priests and nuns are supposed to remain celibate."<br /><br /><br />yes, it is the same Avodah Zarah that the Rambam is talking about, wearing sackloth, and then also shaving the head etc.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66583813402667844912019-04-10T00:22:03.848+03:002019-04-10T00:22:03.848+03:00Interesting argument - I would counter that:
a) ...Interesting argument - I would counter that:<br /><br /><br />a) It might not be the same case, but when I mentioned Onan as a different case/context, you argued that the final result it what matters.<br /><br /><br />b) Ok, so your personal solution is celibacy - but nobody has said that , and it has not been declared by gedolim. It is not that I am trying o protect feiglkeit, quite the opposite. But already in freakshow Gur, they are imposing a kind of near celibacy even for married men. I think we discussed the Steipler's response on this once.<br /><br /><br />c) If you think you can impose celibacy on feiglach, then you are sadly deluded. Assuming such a gezeira could be made today, half of that population would not be able or willing to keep it. In any case, think logically. If feiglach are not able to keep to a severe d'oraita, do you think they will keep to a d'rabbanan with little authority? Even back in the day when there was criminal law against it, people still did it privately. Some even published books glorifying the subject, whilst being the public face of the most hareidi group there is!Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34896854502665209662019-04-09T23:42:53.727+03:002019-04-09T23:42:53.727+03:00I preface, that even today, in the Catholic Church...I preface, that even today, in the Catholic Church, priests and nuns are supposed to remain celibate.<br /><br />Yes, of course celibacy is forbidden. You don't need the Rambam to tell you that a person should not neglect to fulfill the mitzvah of being fruitful and multiplying, or deny himself the benefit of being married in order to protect himself from committing sexual sins.<br /><br />However in this context, the Rambam is merely decrying the notion that a person should not practice celibacy for reasons of <b>asceticism</b>. Therefore, this quote is irrelevant to the discussion, since in our case, the reason for celibacy is not due to asceticism, rather it's due to the person's problem of same-sex-attraction.<br /><br />Yes, he should try to overcome his issues with SSA, and also bring himself to a mental state where he is able to get married. However until he does that, and currently, the only two viable options are celibacy or sinning, then I think that the Rambam would agree that the person should remain celibate, since that is the less of the two evils.IsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20020501146030465602019-04-09T22:43:40.718+03:002019-04-09T22:43:40.718+03:00It's true, however, don't know what the ta...It's true, however, don't know what the tavlin is in this case.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.com