tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8793656021037182820..comments2024-03-29T06:06:58.796+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rabbi Safran: Broken Marriage Must Divorce - Rebuttal by Rav Dovid EidensohnDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger144125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-69746780000013450022019-10-03T13:39:00.896+03:002019-10-03T13:39:00.896+03:00My Name is Mark Schwartz.I will love to share my t...My Name is Mark Schwartz.I will love to share my testimony to all the people in the forum <br />cos i never thought i will have my girlfriend back and she means so much<br /> to me..The girl i want to get marry to left me 4 weeks to our wedding <br />for another man..,When i called her she never picked my calls,She <br />deleted me on her Facebook and she changed her Facebook status from <br />married to Single...when i went to her to her place of work she told her<br /> boss she never want to see me..I lost my job as a result of this cos i <br />cant get myself anymore,my life was upside down and everything did not <br />go smooth with my life...I tried all i could do to have her back to all <br />did not work out until i met a Man when i Travel to Africa to execute <br />some business have been developing some years back..I told him my <br />problem and all have passed through in getting her back and how i lost <br />my job...he told me he gonna help me...i don't believe that in the first<br /> place.but he swore he will help me out and he told me the reason why my<br /> girlfriend left me and also told me some hidden secrets.i was amazed <br />when i heard that from him..he said he will cast a spell for me and i <br />will see the results in the next couple of days..then i travel back to <br />US the following day and i called him when i got home and he said he's <br />busy casting those spells and he has bought all the materials needed for<br /> the spells,he said am gonna see positive results in the next 2 days <br />that is Thursday...My girlfriend called me at exactly 12:35pm on <br />Thursday and apologies for all she had done thanks be to Great Matatan a powerful spell of ( matatanspell@yahoo.com . )Mark Schwartznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38829029596718685222019-06-26T14:01:58.575+03:002019-06-26T14:01:58.575+03:00as searching for help on the internet to get my ex...as searching for help on the internet to get my ex lover whom will got divorced back, i came across this wonderful man called DR.ODOGBO of ODOGBO TEMPLE who did a nice job by helping me to get my divorced husband back within 48hours.. 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He is an extremely effective and experience spell caster you can get help from.you can contact this great man Dr Lawrence on his email drlawrencespelltemple@hotmail.comParis Holmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35760661587983147022014-08-10T06:53:09.669+03:002014-08-10T06:53:09.669+03:00I am CLUXE MORREV from USA,i hear how people are t...I am CLUXE MORREV from USA,i hear how people are talking about The powerful spell caster called DR OKORO in regard of how he bring back ex lover,winning lottery,getting pregnant and getting married to their dream true lover and i also contact him to help me cast a spell in regard of my ex lover whom i love so much that left me 2yrs ago,but today my ex is back to me and we are happily married with 3kids and i am so much happy for the help i found in you DR OKORO of okorohomeofrefuge@gmail.com,i and my family are very much happy and we are living large now,i am grateful and appreciate your good work of spell casting,thank you and may you leave long to help people in problems His email is okorohomeofrefuge@gmail.comBeccanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21865904758332494742014-06-15T17:37:45.694+03:002014-06-15T17:37:45.694+03:00Testimony of my life!!
I am Anna Moon from USA, a...Testimony of my life!!<br /><br />I am Anna Moon from USA, after 4 years in marriage with my husband,she divorced me and with another man. i did all i could to get him back but all proved abortive, until a old friend of mine who told me about a spell caster Dr.ODUDUA on the internet who helped her in a similar issue, at first i doubted it but I decided to give it a try, when I contacted him (dr.oduduwasamuelhightemple@gmail.com) he helped me cast a re-unite spell and within 48 hours me and my wife come together again. Contact this great spell caster on your relationship or marriage problems and counseling at dr.oduduwasamuelhightemple@gmail.com<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Anna Moon Anderson.<br />Email:dr.oduduwasamuelhightemple@gmail.com<br />Tel:+2340759402500Sr. Mark Stevenhttp://www.bancosyprestamodedinero.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15524716594518148322014-02-05T19:08:11.398+02:002014-02-05T19:08:11.398+02:00Probably if he is not obligated to pay it. Please ...Probably if he is not obligated to pay it. Please call rav gestetner if you are genuine.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-4181350463810151222014-02-05T17:56:53.961+02:002014-02-05T17:56:53.961+02:00And what if the zdaka fund of the community pays f...And what if the zdaka fund of the community pays for the summer camp and morally pressures the father to pay it back?<br /><br />Is this also thievery? Against halacha?Patiencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66209769860541592992014-02-05T15:38:13.227+02:002014-02-05T15:38:13.227+02:00Halachicly a father cannot be forced to pay for su...Halachicly a father cannot be forced to pay for summer camp even if he can more than afford it and even if the child went to summer camp every single year during the marriage. And if the wife petitions arkaos/secular court to award her to force the father to pay for that, she is a thief until she stops and repays him and he may withhold a Get until she stops robbing him.SZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80688820461025669412014-02-05T12:38:28.100+02:002014-02-05T12:38:28.100+02:00Beth din experience seems to have a similar style ...Beth din experience seems to have a similar style of writing to My View who has mysteriously disappeared presumably because he is unable to justify his positions. Some of what is expressed here is also baloney e.g. of course NY state awards alimony in fact it is now compulsory and there is a formula if the marriage is of sufficient length. <br /><br />Summer camp is a discretionary add-on and unless the mother is working or the father paid for it in past cannot be forced by law unless the judge is a feminist which happens all the time. My View your views are beyond the pale.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53528788505795208492014-02-05T09:11:47.372+02:002014-02-05T09:11:47.372+02:00RDE:
I think you will find this interesting (and ...RDE:<br /><br />I think you will find this interesting (and possibly consider a new post for it):<br /><br />http://www.science-halacha.com/getlaw/getlaw_eng_B1.htm<br />http://www.science-halacha.com/getlaw/getlaw_eng_A1.htm<br />http://www.science-halacha.com/getlaw/getlaw_eng_D1.htm<br />http://www.science-halacha.com/getlaw/getlaw_eng_homepage.htm<br /><br />In a nutshell it is saying, and signed by Rav Eliashev, Rav SZ Auerbach, Mir RY Rav Berenbaum, Debreciner Rov, Rav M Klein, Rav's Belsky, Pam, Kotler, Wosner, etc., that a Get obtained under the New York Get Law or the Canadian Get Law or even under a RCA prenup is invalid and a Get Me'usa.<br />Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77248817088211536362014-02-05T04:47:36.388+02:002014-02-05T04:47:36.388+02:00While Shulchan Aruch recommends peshora, that is b...While Shulchan Aruch recommends peshora, that is basically proposing that the parties mediate their issues with the beis din. That option helps insure that both parties will willingly accept the conclusion. It removes the psak issue, which can provoke the loser(s). If either party is unwilling, the peshora cannot be imposed. Even if dayanim formulate a middle ground ruling, it is not a true peshora unless it is an agreement.<br /><br />Most batei din have small range for child support, with the differences being the relative wealth of the father who is paying it. I have actually surveyed this. The dollar figures are actually a bit more than the state mandated minimums. However, the very wealthy fathers would have their child support calculated in the court system by the percentage of their income. Thus, the state requirement might exceed the psak of batei din in some cases.<br /><br />There is no halacha precedent for alimony whatsoever. Moreover, alimony is not a requirement in most states, such as NY. If someone wishes to offer alimony, it can become a legal requirement because it is written so in the settlement. I do not believe courts require alimony either.<br /><br />Also, there are other expenses for children that get addressed outside of child support. Examples, tuition, summer camps, bar (or bas) mitzvahs, transportation to visits, vacations, medical insurance, and similar ones. These may vary per state. These add ons may also be subject to different formulas for calculation (such as shared costs, and percentage of responsibility).<br /><br />Within limits, batei din may also opt to comply to some degree with the court mandates. Go debate this, if you wish. I am just sharing experience.Beis din experiencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61427374063991486542014-02-05T02:15:04.450+02:002014-02-05T02:15:04.450+02:00That is my understanding as well. But please see f...That is my understanding as well. But please see for example<br /><br />http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6808207101836063741&q=religious+excommunication&hl=en&as_sdt=4,33<br /><br />and i believe that even today this is done by some "Botei Din"stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74336426087891764632014-02-05T00:39:45.526+02:002014-02-05T00:39:45.526+02:00What machlokes? Who ever had a shitta that beis di...What machlokes? Who ever had a shitta that beis din can force a party to use peshora even if one party didn't want to? Isn't Shulchan Aruch clear that either party can insist on using din and not peshora, in which can beis din must only use din?baernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75107465121887443982014-02-04T20:19:24.123+02:002014-02-04T20:19:24.123+02:00It may be a machlokes. The for profit botei din do...It may be a machlokes. The for profit botei din dont like din. Then they shouldnt be overcharging for their services and cant award alimony and excessive child support used as alimony.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75940531141065751222014-02-04T18:07:07.834+02:002014-02-04T18:07:07.834+02:00Among the reasons why we pasken like Beit Hillel i...Among the reasons why we pasken like Beit Hillel is that they would study the views of Beit Shammai, and would even teach them before stating their own views. This was not only to demonstrate that they were calm, modest and respectful. It was to show that they fully understand the arguments for both sides and had no personal attachments to winning the debate; they only cared about finding the truth. <br /><br />You'll never convince a follower of Rav Hershel Schachter to ignore his psak by attacking him personally and dismissing his arguments without even listening to them. You do it by calmly listening to his entire argument, and then showing step by step the errors that he's making. <br /><br />Many people determine who they agree with by seeing who has more vitriol and then joining the other side. Memri publishes sermons from Hamas as that's the best way to get people to become pro-Israel, and anti-Israel organizations are more likely to quotes Meir Kahane than Ben Gurion. People who have a Big Stick are much better off when they speak softly. The Big Stick here is a precise point by point rebuttal of the other side’s position. Those who have it should show it to the rest of us, and we’ll all lean in to hear his every word. Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48088552329060951752014-02-04T16:18:39.201+02:002014-02-04T16:18:39.201+02:00Doesn't either party have the absolute halachi...Doesn't either party have the absolute halachic right to reject beis din's use of peshora and demand that beis din strictly stick to pure halacha? Beis din has to honor that request if either party reject peshora.baernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53224843838127840592014-02-04T14:52:02.402+02:002014-02-04T14:52:02.402+02:00My View you continue putting words inro my mouth. ...My View you continue putting words inro my mouth. Where did I even closely say that all women are shrews who run to arko"oys? However a very large no. Of cases do end up with the woman going to arko"oys. <br />Name the hettwr meah factories or keep quiet. If you dont have the guts to name them under an annonomous name then you are as spineless as the for profit dayonim who take money.<br />Which botei din run roughshod over mens rights? The BDA which bifurcates when women are in arkooys. Most of the brooklyn botei din. In fact any bais din that uses peshoro which is usually inappropriate in a divorce. Please stop acting so naively. All the botei din who are willing to write a get for $$$$$$$ even when the case is in court.<br /><br />Look at rhe kol koreh of the previous generation about what should happen to a woman who goes to arko"oys. She should not receive a get and even if somehow she receives a kosher get one should not marry her.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91033506027948567042014-02-04T06:21:41.408+02:002014-02-04T06:21:41.408+02:00A divorced father is not obligated to pay for his ...A divorced father is not obligated to pay for his child for anything a married father is not obligated to pay for his child.Dr. Lakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54661957586161979032014-02-04T03:49:57.277+02:002014-02-04T03:49:57.277+02:00If not for violating personal privacy, I would doc...If not for violating personal privacy, I would document quite a few cases in which the accusations you level are completely untrue. BTW, the heter meah factories to which I refer are major for profit ventures. Unless you are one of the corrupt dayanim yourself, you have no clue who I'm talking about, and that is better for all. I have never sent a case to court before beis din. Virtually every case that progressed to court did so because of the refusal of either of the parties to cooperate with the beis din. So I'm not too keen about your views either. You might be a mentch and agree to disagree, or proceed with your running spewing of accusations that have no factual basis.<br /><br />I continue to refuse staunchly to accept the generalizations you carry as your agenda, that all women are shrews that violate halacha and run to arkaos to financially abuse their husbands. I have already stated that I know of such cases. The sweeping generalization is baloney, and you know it. Organizations like ORA have a single direction, and push an extreme agenda that also generalizes, albeit the direction against yours. I do not have any connection to ORA or any other "agunah" organization. The spousal abuse programs, both secular and frum, are also guilty of generalizations that are damaging and frankly criminal. I will only judge a specific case on its own merit. And in my experience, there are evils that go on with men breaking halacha and women who are just as guilty. And if I am involved in advocating for someone who runs to arkaos without a heter or before beis din, I excuse myself.<br /><br />You are correct in noting the frequency of gittin these days. I do not have personal knowledge of any of the batei din doing this for profit, though all do charge a minimal fee. I have been present in BD several times, and the fee never changed, and was paid equally by both sides. As far as I can gather, the only one who makes real profit in BD is the sofer.<br /><br />BTW, which batei din steamroll over men's rights? I'd really like to know.My Viewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38830745144030423272014-02-03T22:58:07.397+02:002014-02-03T22:58:07.397+02:00And dont call it extortion. Extortion is arkooys e...And dont call it extortion. Extortion is arkooys equitable distribution etc. The halocho demands repayment. Technically when a woman is in arkooys a hetter meah is not needed since by failing to go to bais din she is a moredesstannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31172079348049234622014-02-03T21:40:36.312+02:002014-02-03T21:40:36.312+02:00My View your views are frankly repugnant. These ar...My View your views are frankly repugnant. These are botei din that rightly refuse to overlook the facts that women in arkooys have lost their rights to summons anyone to any bais din regarding any matter whatsoever and have lost their rights to go and ask for a get in any bais din. It is the for profit botei din which are factories writing gittin as if there is no tomorrow ignoring women in arkooys and steamrolling over mens rights. You may be very articulate but you are defending the indefensible. No get should ever be written until all legal fees have been paid back. Thats the halocho whether you or your corrupt money making dayonim friends like it or not.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47873896231302663252014-02-03T17:56:54.520+02:002014-02-03T17:56:54.520+02:00@Confused I am glad to see you understood my point...@Confused I am glad to see you understood my point. My brother has a different style - which in many situations has been much more influential than mine. But you are right sometimes it backfires. I also get similar complaints as to why I don't deal with topics like "X" also. Can't please all the people all the time. My brother is older and much more learned than I which is also relevant to your comment.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43005072467117347192014-02-03T17:23:35.849+02:002014-02-03T17:23:35.849+02:00I corrected it above to age 6 (see above.) It is i...I corrected it above to age 6 (see above.) It is in S"A. (Age 13 is the chinuch obligation; 6 is for general support.)Shlomo Zalmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13783426543167361362014-02-03T17:21:52.904+02:002014-02-03T17:21:52.904+02:00My View:
I didn't say "if the wife is de...My View:<br /><br />I didn't say "if the wife is demanding more than her halachically allocated support"; I said if she forces him, through arkaos, to give her (effectively stealing from him) more than she is halachicly hers.<br /><br />So she is not just "demanding" but rather she is actually and actively engaged in stealing from him. Under those circumstances he certainly does not have to give her a Get while she is robbing him.<br /><br />She cannot demand her halachic rights from him while she is denying him his halachic rights from her.<br /><br />As far as a Torah source, the burden of proof is on you. Under normal circumstances there is no obligation to give a divorce. If you believe she is entitled to a divorce you need to provide Torah sources proving he has an obligation to give her a divorce.Shlomo Zalmannoreply@blogger.com