tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8257044152748832482..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: President of World Jewish Congress, Ronald Lauder, visits ViennaDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70685126628751471632015-04-06T20:00:34.238+03:002015-04-06T20:00:34.238+03:00So many people in the Vienna community identify as...So many people in the Vienna community identify as religious<br />and observant Jews, who are supposed to follow a Torah based lifestyle, one which<br />certainly does not include lying and ignoring the suffering or ill-treatment of<br />one’s fellow Jew. Isn’t it sad that<br />these very same people are bringing up their own children. What they are teaching them? Are<br />they teaching them to be the same liars as they are? Do they<br />teach them right from wrong and not to<br />listen to lies or spread lies under any circumstances. Obviously not! The Jewish community in Vienna is beyond<br />sad. They support and lie and let<br />themselves be used by violent and cruel Michael Schlesinger – who failed<br />miserably as a husband and father. <br />Michael Schlesinger, who only wanted his children to destroy them and<br />destroy their mother. Michael<br />Schlesinger who ripped his children out of their mother’s arms and does<br />whatever he can to deny them each other. <br />By supporting Schlesinger the Jews in Austria today epitomise the Nazi<br />caricature of the Jew – dishonest, scheming and money grabbing. Is this the future of Jewish Vienna?Emunahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60042074807408891252015-04-06T14:46:04.367+03:002015-04-06T14:46:04.367+03:00There are many aspects to the lies that have been ...There are many aspects to the lies that have been told by so<br />many prominent people and Rabonnim in Vienna. <br /> One is that so many of them<br />identify as religious Jews, who are supposed to follow a Torah based lifestyle,<br /> one which certainly does not include lying<br />and ignoring the suffering or ill-treatment of one’s fellow Jew. However, one of the saddest is that these<br />very same people are bringing up their own children. What they are teaching them? Are<br />they teaching them to be the same liars as they are? Do they<br />not teach them right from wrong or not to listen to lies or spread lies under<br />any circumstances. Obviously not! The Jewish community in Vienna is beyond<br />sad. They support and lie and let<br />themselves be used by violent and cruel Michael Schlesinger – who failed<br />miserably as a husband and father. Michael Schlesinger, who only wanted his children to destroy them<br />and destroy their mother. Michael<br />Schlesinger who ripped his children out of their mother’s arms and does<br />whatever he can to deny them each other. <br />By supporting Schlesinger the Jews in Austria today epitomise the Nazi caricature<br />of the Jew – dishonest, scheming and money grabbing. Is<br />this the future of Vienna?Mollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27915148421342148652015-04-06T13:48:35.250+03:002015-04-06T13:48:35.250+03:00The father, we've noticed, was maltreated by h...The father, we've noticed, was maltreated by his own mother, who apparently kicked her husband out for ever and deprived her son and daughter of a much-needed parent. Seems she hated him so much that she changed her name back to her maiden name, Schlesinger. The father's sister divorced too and did the same with her name, reverting, like her mother, to Schlesinger. All these name-changes are visible online. <br /><br />OK, so why is all this of any relevance to the saga of Beth Alexander and her unfortunate children?<br /><br />The father has forbidden his "banned" father, ie the twins' grandfather, to have any contact with Sammy & Benji. He was treated that way by his mother and now history is repeating itself. Poor little boys, to have been born into a malfunctioning family like this! I believe they pretend to be "religious" but their actions surely belie this. <br /><br />And all the hatred and cruelty perpetrated by the father is evidently approved of by Rabbi Biderman, the leaders of the IKG and the judge. Sammy and Benji will indeed be talking about it for the rest of their lives.Noahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46586249419770824432015-04-06T01:31:52.261+03:002015-04-06T01:31:52.261+03:00Ken Cameron you are right. As we know children gro...Ken Cameron you are right. As we know children grow and develop. They are a bit later in talking than most children of the same age, but the children will speak out. They will hate their father for what he has done and he won't be able to anything about it!Leah Cohennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80198099022367096032015-04-05T01:57:19.165+03:002015-04-05T01:57:19.165+03:00With one or two notable exceptions, abuse of women...With one or two notable exceptions, abuse of women and children seems to be condoned by the Jewish community of Vienna. Amoral, abusive, corrupt, lawless, unjust......what a collection of negative attributes for a so-called religious community! Noahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50928393196022753462015-04-04T13:20:36.028+03:002015-04-04T13:20:36.028+03:00There are two potent factors that most people seem...There are two potent factors that most people seem to have overlooked. Firstly, those who actually have any faith at all ( could this exclude most of the Vienna Rabbis ) will realise that Hashem hates injustice and He will punish the guilty. Secondly, the twins are slowly but surely growing up. When they are old enough, they will speak for themselves and they will be heard - think about that.Ken Cameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39898201023081073732015-04-03T02:47:35.863+03:002015-04-03T02:47:35.863+03:00PAS applies in those very few cases the father has...PAS applies in those very few cases the father has sole custody, too.MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11358192773101491592015-04-02T23:31:21.160+03:002015-04-02T23:31:21.160+03:00"Another" public spectacle? How many has..."Another" public spectacle? How many has Rabbi Biderman already made, Honesty? I assume he didn't actually "expose himself" as he might have been arrested if he had ;-) But it sounds like he must have acted like a lunatic in the midst of a big audience, some of whom must have got the gist of what was going on. Why did the rabbi lose his temper with such a<br /> beautiful, intelligent, educated young woman in public? Beth is also an extremely well brought up person with impeccable manners. Only a fool would reveal his weakness and stupidity by starting a fight with her in public! <br /><br />Rabbi Biderman incomprehensibly supports the law-breaking, cruel father, whose absence from home and obstruction of the mother's attempts to help rear her children prevents the twins from growing up nestled within the Jewish religion, as Jewish children usually are. So why did this rabbi, who seems to a) totally lack manners and b) be doing his darndest to force the father to get the kids brought up by people from <br />another religion, behave so shockingly when he knew people of the caliber of Ron Lauder were within earshot on Sunday?Frechdachsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11085733137825484242015-04-02T18:08:06.753+03:002015-04-02T18:08:06.753+03:00Don’t be so ridiculous David, Michael will never s...Don’t be so ridiculous David, Michael will never succeed in<br />breaking the mother and child bond between Beth and HER CHILDREN no matter how<br />he tries, lies and corrupts. It’s<br />absolutely insane to think of it a bit delusional don’t you think? There is too much love there. Really and truly Michael would be much<br />better off if he tackled his own problems and issues rather than making a mess<br />of his children’s’ lives. Michael was right when he was banging his head<br />shortly after his marriage he was not fit for marriage. He and his family knew<br />it. What do you think David?Emunahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15174526976456811672015-04-02T16:27:37.599+03:002015-04-02T16:27:37.599+03:00Not to take away from what you are aying, but is n...Not to take away from what you are aying, but is new york not corrupt?MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18264006780534136422015-04-02T12:28:44.293+03:002015-04-02T12:28:44.293+03:00David you have posted ‘two interesting’ links rega...David you have posted ‘two interesting’ links regarding<br />Austrian custody and family law below. <br />If you read them you will surely find that Michael Schlesinger has<br />broken the laws on all counts. He<br />denies the children their mother. He<br />denies her information regarding their well-being, health and education. He is<br />not a suitable parent on any count and as he has further sarcastically and verbally<br />abusively posted that Beth has to plead with him to compromise and grant her<br />unimpeded time with the children more than she was awarded in court. ‘David’, you show yourself up exactly for what<br />you are here – this smacks of your spite and domestic violence and utter<br />disregard for the law. This applies<br />just as much to Konstanza Thau Land ‘Judge’ Suzanne Gottlicher and her<br />Court. Let’s not forget here that<br />Michael also admitted in Gottlicher’s Court that he forged Beth’s signature in<br />order to have her benefits (for her children) paid into his account. That is theft and benefits cheating added to<br />the list. Well then, what can anyone<br />expect from Jewish Austria with people like To think of so called Rabbis and upstanding<br />people like Muzicant and Deutsch standing by someone like that! Is it because he is the local boy or do<br />they have absolutely no sense of right and wrong?Emunahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75667333982210840252015-04-02T11:27:03.032+03:002015-04-02T11:27:03.032+03:00Don't be so smug David! Court decisions can be...Don't be so smug David! Court decisions can be changed, especially if they are wrong!Leah Cohennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2358833379891908562015-04-02T03:22:46.318+03:002015-04-02T03:22:46.318+03:00Biderman has been around in Vienna since the begin...Biderman has been around in Vienna since the beginning of the 1980s, Jeremy, and perhaps did a bit of good when setting up the various institutions of the "Chabad Empire" in Vienna of which he is the undoubtedly the "king". But, as you so perceptively imply, is there any genuine reason for him to continue in this privileged, honored position? He obviously rakes in Lauder's cash in abundance despite having failed to fulfill the qualifications required for his job as a rabbi and the legal representative of Chabad in Vienna over the past 4 years. <br /><br /><br /><br />A man who has been responsible for the following is presumably no longer in anyone's opinion a suitable leader of Jewish educational institutions, especially for the youngest and most vulnerable children like Sammy and Benji Schlesinger:<br /><br /><br />1) Clearly failing to observe the twins personally in his kindergarten when he made a court statement about them. If he had, he would never have dared to inform the judge that they were doing well after being brutally removed from their loving, mentally amazingly well-adjusted mother. The usual consequence of such separation is post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and with the twins this was no exception. Internet-users all over the world have read about their screaming in multiple settings at that time and also about the (shocking) self-harming one was then doing. <br /><br /><br /><br />2) Allowing himself to be taken for a ride by the father of the twins, at whose beck and call he apparently chronically remains. Any parent or person with knowledge of early childhood education shudders at the thought of Rabbi Biderman having issued an order to his kindergarten staff NOT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS by the mother, Beth Alexander, when she brings her children to the kindergarten after visits. Now why would the rabbi do something so inhumane? The only answer is that the father has ordered him to do so. And why are the teachers so frightened of saying ANYTHING at all to the mother? One would assume again that the father - of all people - has put the fear of G-d into Rabbi B, who in turn has ordered his staff to REMAIN SILENT when the mother and the twins arrive. There can be no other kindergarten in the world where this happens - it is a slur on the leadership of Chabad and the kindergarten. <br /><br /><br /><br />3) It is well-known that the father was violent throughout his marriage and recently observed assaulting the mother on the court steps. Rabbi Biderman allows this dangerous individual to daven in his shul. <br /><br /><br /><br />The list is incomplete but surely more than long enough to indicate that something is rotten in the "Chabad Empire" in Vienna. There must be consequences, as the lives of two children (who at 6 and after a considerable amount of speech therapy would probably be able to communicate a certain amount about the sadness of their lives that Rabbi Biderman encourages) are at stake.James Cliffordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87009906103822134282015-04-02T03:13:02.642+03:002015-04-02T03:13:02.642+03:00So no one will marry Beth's two boys because t...So no one will marry Beth's two boys because they're from Vienna? Isn't it worth for her to acquiesce to an arrangement acceptable to him for her to have more unimpeded time with her children rather than waiting another 14 years until they're adults (and hope they hadn't been brainwashed over the next 14 years to never want to communicate with her)?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74460950864096779512015-04-02T02:59:41.256+03:002015-04-02T02:59:41.256+03:00There is a comment by @David who implies that the ...There is a comment by @David who implies that the mother should "plead with him to compromise and grant her unimpeded time with the children". I am wondering what the father stands to gain from this. Please could someone explain, or even Schlesinger himself if he is reading this, why the father is seeking the mother to beg? It is a very bizarre request and one that highlights a pattern of domestic abuse.Shaulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12463864846559332382015-04-02T02:53:28.265+03:002015-04-02T02:53:28.265+03:00R. Biderman can't do more
You're repeatin...<em>R. Biderman can't do more</em><br /><br />You're repeating the same lie, yet again. Like I've said before, please respond to my points. Thank you. Keeping on repeating the lie that R. Biderman cannot do anything will not fact make. The fact still remains, as I've clearly laid out to you, that Rabbi Bidderman can very quickly undo the garbage he has done to the children - and save them from their terrible predicament. <br /><br /><br /><br />Please don't join the "I've made up my mind, please don't bother me with the facts" group. This is the opposite of what you usually do on here.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1485125740885361972015-04-02T02:52:26.401+03:002015-04-02T02:52:26.401+03:00Hand on your heart can any Jewish parent allow the...Hand on your heart can any Jewish parent allow their child to marry an Austrian and then go and live in Vienna after seeing and hearing about what has happened to Beth Alexander? I would go as far as to say that it would be irresponsible to let any child go and live in Vienna. It is a corrupt and lawless place which the Jews have clearly used to their advantage.<br /><br />Would any mother let their daughter get pregnant and (looking at the comments from @David below) be required to plead and beg for minuscule visiting times with her children? Vienna is a very corrupt place and I would warn everyone (Jewish and non-Jewish) to steer clear of their Rabbis, Shidduchim, Kashrus, Geirus and certainly any financial dealings.Leibnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49967223927994796602015-04-02T01:25:39.608+03:002015-04-02T01:25:39.608+03:00Biderman may have said the children were doing wel...Biderman may have said the children were doing well, but as any good doctor knows, Schlesinger situations change! <br /><br />Perhaps Rabbi Biderman doesn't think the children are doing so well four years on! Perhaps he needs to reassess. Nothing is ever static in today's world. <br /><br />A job is not for life as it used to be, especially for Rabbis. They can go out of favour and be replaced! <br /><br />Perhaps Biderman doesn't like the publicity but why is he siding with Schlesinger in his attempt to cut a perfectly good mother out of the lives of her children. Why would a Rabbi, a Chabad Rabbi do that. It goes against the ethos of Chabad and is not civil.<br /><br />Court decisions can be changed in the best interest of the children!Jeremy Lewisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66224620888809138492015-04-02T00:56:15.861+03:002015-04-02T00:56:15.861+03:00The Rabbis should shun the father, because he is m...The Rabbis should shun the father, because he is making a mockery of Vienna. No one outside Vienna would ever want their children to meet any one from Vienna and marry them. This is why the young people of Vienna are running away at their earliest opportunity. Ronald Lauder isn't happy that he is funding education and then young people are running to America for a better life. Michael Schlesinger is not helping the situation. Why should Beth beg him for anything. It is the children's happiness that is at stake here. Does he ever consider them instead of trying to get at Beth all the time? He can't bare the fact that the children adore their mother and want to be like other children and have a mother, not a hired non- Jewish help to bring them up when Beth is more than capable to bring up her own children. Michael Schlesinger has used dubious means to take the children from Beth. The children are getting older and will not stand for his antics that that he makes their mother beg to see them. It will soon happen that the children, the whole community will turn on Schlesinger because of his cruelty and the shame he is bringing them. He is digging his own grave!Leah Cohennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50620645243942773912015-04-01T23:52:51.915+03:002015-04-01T23:52:51.915+03:00Oh, there were two<.b> MPs (out of 650) who ...Oh, there were <b>two<.b> MPs (out of 650) who spoke on the floor. Yeah, now that represents the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.</b>Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13423184737466440162015-04-01T23:02:45.038+03:002015-04-01T23:02:45.038+03:00Now that is simply inaccurate. No Western country ...<em>Now that is simply inaccurate. No Western country condemned Austria's courts. One MP in a foreign parliament did.</em><br /><br />Kindly check your fats, David. You are mistaken.<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/British-MPs-label-case-of-Schlesinger-twins-Kafaesque-and-a-miscarriage-of-justice-338428<br /><br /><em>As far as Rabbi Biderman, you are suggesting he make a 180 degree turn</em><br /><br />Whoho. Calm down a bit. <br /><br />Are the children doing well? No.<br /><br />Are the children suffering? Yes.<br /><br />That simple. Focus on the present state of affairs, Rabbi Bidderman. And fix it!<br /><br />The rest of your conjecture has been answered. You are just repeating yourself while disregarding the actual facts I am presenting you with. <br /><br />If you would like to somehow exonerate Rabbi Biderman, please first quote or paraphrase what I said. And then answer it. I have made it very clear how Rabbi Bidderman can change things very quickly. Either answer on topic, or don't. But please don't repeat the same misinformation yet again.<br /><br />I'll quote you part of what I wrote. I'll link other parts.<br /><br /><em>Please reread what I wrote. The ruling they made was, in large part, due to Rabbi Bidderman's interventions. One more time: The ruling they made was, in large part, due to Rabbi Bidderman's interventions.<br /><br />Got it? So now, a new case is opened since there are six year-old children who are not being properly cared for. Yes, yes. The school they attend, Chabad Vienna can open such a case with Social Services in one phone call. Once the case is open, Rabbi Bidderman can very easily admit his mistake to the Supreme Court judge whom he mentored and converted, and is very close to. He can now do an about face and ask the judge to intervene for the good of the children, and for their best interests.</em><br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2015/03/president-of-world-jewish-congress.html#comment-1939044978<br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2015/03/president-of-world-jewish-congress.html#comment-1938656111<br /><br /><br /><br />Looking forward to meaningful, and honest response.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70185710665886637272015-04-01T22:25:29.125+03:002015-04-01T22:25:29.125+03:00Now that is simply inaccurate. No Western country ...Now that is simply inaccurate. No Western country condemned Austria's courts. One MP in a foreign parliament did. That would be like Socialist Congressman Bernie Sanders condemning a Canadian court on the floor of the House and then describing that episode as "the United States condemning the Canadian court system".<br /><br /><br />As far as Rabbi Biderman, you are suggesting he make a 180 degree turn and suddenly go from saying how happy the kids are to saying the kids are being maltreated. That is not only unreasonable to expect, if he did that he'd lose credibility in court for making new opposite claims than previous when nothing particular changed. And regardless whether he did that, the courts and Social Services wouldn't simply accept his assertion at face value in any event.<br /><br /><br />The unfortunate but true bottom line remains that the father holds almost all the cards not any rabbi. The father can ignore the rabbis. And the rabbis can't have the courts do their bidding. The only way to effect change in the situation is for the father and mother to talk (despite their acrimonious separation and bitter court history) and for her to plead with him to compromise and grant her unimpeded time with the children more than she was awarded in court. <br /><br /><br />She may have to bite her pride to do so, but it is worth doing to implement a more meaningful relationship between her and her precious children.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75464870576410683752015-04-01T21:11:35.466+03:002015-04-01T21:11:35.466+03:00Your thought that Rabbi Biderman can snap his fing...<em>Your thought that Rabbi Biderman can snap his fingers and the Austrian courts will stand up and take his orders to reopen, reconsider or issue a ruling they otherwise would not have, is highly naive.</em><br /><br />Please reread what I wrote. The ruling they made was, in large part, due to Rabbi Bidderman's interventions. One more time: The ruling they made was, in large part, due to Rabbi Bidderman's interventions.<br /><br /><br /><br />Got it? So now, a new case is opened since there are six year-old children who are not being properly cared for. Yes, yes. The school they attend, Chabad Vienna can open such a case with Social Services in one phone call. Once the case is open, Rabbi Bidderman can very easily admit his mistake to the Supreme Court judge whom he mentored and converted, and is very close to. He can now do an about face and ask the judge to intervene for the good of the children, and for their best interests. <br /><br /><br />The Austrian court system is incomparable to the USA court system. Please read up about Austria's widespread corruption. They were condemned on this case in the British Parliament. Name one time that another Western country condemned the USA court system's treatment of a custody ruling, in their parliament.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24730979384354793282015-04-01T21:01:55.656+03:002015-04-01T21:01:55.656+03:00Of course he is getting some local support. Still,...<em>Of course he is getting some local support. Still, one cannot generalize the community</em><br /><br />Some? Chabad is the biggest game in town. The leader of the Chabad community did many things here. <br /><br />1) He influenced the supreme court judge. One of his emails were posted here. <br /><br />2) He personally testified - falsely! - in "favor" of the father, to the detriment of the children.<br /><br />3) The Chabad school has refused to cooperate with mother. <br /><br />4) How many members of the community have been intimidated not to be nice to the mother? This information has been posted here several times.<br /><br /><em>We never accept any blame when these things happen within our communities</em><br /><br />This is not true. We do have to be held responsible and accountable when choose to intervene and hurt children. We also have to be held responsible and accountable when choose not to intervene, and thereby hurt children.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16160406621095392015-04-01T17:28:49.218+03:002015-04-01T17:28:49.218+03:00Beth is certainly not the first person to have fel...Beth is certainly not the first person to have felt unwelcome at the Vienna Jewish community. They appear to pick and choose who they want to "integrate" and who not. An unappealing characteristic of a community that claims to "care about everyone".James Cliffordnoreply@blogger.com