tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post8247325589380870748..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Bernard Madoff II - Impact on JewsDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43437764561465168772012-02-08T18:02:58.846+02:002012-02-08T18:02:58.846+02:00The main point is people need to impute personal r...The main point is people need to impute personal responsibility to the bad apple, not the tree.<br /><br />My website, in progress (www.rainmakerscam.com) addresses the bad actors ... when people seek to smear a race for the acts of one of its members they only demonstrate their lack of personal prestige.Robert Pummerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07889795529904065816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48323637769355654512008-12-18T11:58:00.000+02:002008-12-18T11:58:00.000+02:00the mida can have an underlying lomdus to it which...<I>the mida can have an underlying lomdus to it which has everything to do with geirus.</I><BR/><BR/>Absolutely ... for instance, if Mr Madoff were to have been a <I>ger</I> we'd have a special <I>mitzva</I> to love him and not oppress him. As it is, we only have the <I>mitzvos</I> that apply to the relations between any Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-86986225224219357092008-12-17T14:11:00.000+02:002008-12-17T14:11:00.000+02:00Hashem Yisborach brings punishment mida cneged mid...<I>Hashem Yisborach brings punishment mida cneged mida. This situation has almost nothing to do with geirus.</I><BR/><BR/>But the mida can have an underlying lomdus to it which has everything to do with geirus.Freelance Kiruv Maniac (Mr. Hyde)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10298176204317506218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63492987466947191872008-12-17T05:59:00.000+02:002008-12-17T05:59:00.000+02:00Hashem Yisborach brings punishment mida cneged mid...Hashem Yisborach brings punishment mida cneged mida. This situation has almost nothing to do with geirus.<BR/><BR/>As in so many other areas, Hashem is showing us that the only One in the Universe that should turn to or depend on is Him. He is creating situations that show us that security from the US or the IDF is illusory, wealth and riches are not dependent on super investments or business acumen and the status of Jews as a nation and as individuals depends on our bitachon in Him.<BR/><BR/>This a clear call to turn to Hashem for all our needs and to direct our efforts to serving Him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56502479682713522922008-12-17T02:23:00.000+02:002008-12-17T02:23:00.000+02:00Our Jewish tradition derives from Hillel, not Sham...Our Jewish tradition derives from Hillel, not Shammai. Hillel welcomed converts and was praised for "bringing them under the wings of the <I>shechina</I>" when they were initially conflicted about whether to convert. I think it's far too hard for genuine converts to become Jewish and many good people are left in limbo as a result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84974732457660046542008-12-16T19:57:00.000+02:002008-12-16T19:57:00.000+02:00As Anti Semitism increases, I am sure that we will...As Anti Semitism increases, I am sure that we will see a decrease in the number of converts to Judaism. <BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/> This point can be a PLUS....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-69078670738840211222008-12-16T19:02:00.000+02:002008-12-16T19:02:00.000+02:00Perhaps Jersey Girl has hit on a deep spiritual ca...Perhaps Jersey Girl has hit on a deep spiritual cause-and-effect for the Jewish community to reflect upon.<BR/><BR/>The Hashgacha-- which has caused a tidal wave (or tsunami) of anti-Jewish sentiment--may be a direct response to our community's misguided geirus policies.Freelance Kiruv Maniac (Mr. Hyde)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10298176204317506218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77450755546915054502008-12-16T16:36:00.000+02:002008-12-16T16:36:00.000+02:00"For the worldwide Jewish community, the fact that..."For the worldwide Jewish community, the fact that the man at the heart of what may be Wall Street's worst-ever fraud was an active member of the community could be the worst news yet in a bad recession period.<BR/><BR/>Not only could Madoff's alleged dishonesty increase anti-Semitic feeling in a time of worldwide economic downturn, said many Jewish leaders, but his close involvement with the Jewish community has exposed vast amounts of Jewish communal assets to his scheme.[...]"<BR/><BR/>We are hearing many comments in such as "You Jews have all the money" and "if we want to stay in business, we have to cater to the Jews who have all the money". <BR/><BR/>A number of our clients have told us that they will only do business with companies who will join a Christian business network. <BR/><BR/>One client told us that "he feels he cannot trust his Israeli CFO because of his background". The CFO was fired. <BR/><BR/>We had to sue a former client who did not pay. We had a signed contract and showed that we had fulfilled all of the terms of the contract but the Judge ruled against us because he said "every one of you does some sort of tricks". <BR/><BR/>An appeal would have cost more than we were owed. <BR/><BR/>Economic trouble always increases anti semitism throughout history. Even without news stories of Jews who commit financial crimes, anti Semites can blame Shearson, Lehman, Goldman, Sacks and Bloomingdales for their money problems. <BR/><BR/>And of course Alan Greenspan who is one of the scapegoats for the world's financial woes. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for exploring this issue. I do think that it is important to the study of Jewish identity. As Anti Semitism increases, I am sure that we will see a decrease in the number of converts to Judaism. This was the case in Pre Expulsion Spain, in 19th century Russia and also in mid twentieth century Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2377983455657101322008-12-16T12:18:00.000+02:002008-12-16T12:18:00.000+02:00For many years the oldest investors have been rece...For many years the oldest investors have been receiving returns better than they could have received anywhere else and they must have received their initial investment many times over. In reality, of course, they were profiting at the expense of the newcomers. Anyone in such a position has a right to be angry at the chaos inflicted upon them which will destroy many institutions - but technically speaking, they haven't lost a cent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com