tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post7680753743391061207..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Pearl Harbor Day: December 7, 1941Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73704837696870204622014-12-12T20:48:36.390+02:002014-12-12T20:48:36.390+02:00Right. Whatever.Right. Whatever.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38775958590910851132014-12-11T23:08:34.874+02:002014-12-11T23:08:34.874+02:00everything is groovy.everything is groovy.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2620623282350492102014-12-11T20:47:11.663+02:002014-12-11T20:47:11.663+02:00I'm not angry. Just dismissive.I'm not angry. Just dismissive.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54389257535592556562014-12-11T14:21:38.252+02:002014-12-11T14:21:38.252+02:00בבקשה!
since i am looking this claim from a post m...בבקשה!<br />since i am looking this claim from a post modern perspective, i don't begrudge your anger.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35517826343156456462014-12-10T19:04:20.561+02:002014-12-10T19:04:20.561+02:00And I take your equating of patriotism with egocen...And I take your equating of patriotism with egocentrism even less seriously. Assigning everything the same importance is simply an excuse to ignore important things.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9253088550589848042014-12-10T07:09:42.643+02:002014-12-10T07:09:42.643+02:00i take this claim (a day . . .) about as seriously...i take this claim (a day . . .) about as seriously as i take phrases like "d-day was the beginning of the liberation of europe" or claims that the americans conquered the german army.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56057337756676126662014-12-10T07:08:01.221+02:002014-12-10T07:08:01.221+02:00OK so americans are having an ego trip, they can&#...OK so americans are having an ego trip, they can't see a meter (ha ha!) past their border, and call it "a day . . .", that's all your saying. no one else need take those words seriously.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85703698741663033292014-12-10T07:05:54.761+02:002014-12-10T07:05:54.761+02:00the US was an isolationist! it was NEVER pacifisti...the US was an isolationist! it was NEVER pacifistic. i wasn't there but IMO fdr could have just said "let's kill the bastards" and congress would have agreed.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-26692012193018144222014-12-09T02:04:58.251+02:002014-12-09T02:04:58.251+02:00war was declared illegal in the 1920s and 1930s (k...war was declared illegal in the 1920s and 1930s (kellog briand treaty, etc. technically, the US never accepted / ratified that particular treaty.)MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-67545014858493855832014-12-09T02:01:57.281+02:002014-12-09T02:01:57.281+02:00I mean manipulation to have congress declare war. ...I mean manipulation to have congress declare war. <br />remember, the us was a very pacificistic country. the purpose of this speech was to egg congress (and the nation) to avenge the surprise attack<br />this speech (together with Gettysburg address, JFK's inauguration speech ("ask not"), Nixon's acceptance of republican nomination (written by bill safire), Reagan's "morning in America", and some speech by the greek cicero) is considered one of the best speeches of all time.<br />(note too, that history shows that FDR knew war was coming. he might not have known the details, when, where, how (actually, US cryptographers intercepted the telex to the japanese embassy to destroy documents, code for were going to war, Friday afternoon before December 7th, a sunday. a telegram was sent to pearl harbor, but western union was closed till monday.)MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91559331745062745092014-12-08T17:52:52.604+02:002014-12-08T17:52:52.604+02:00Are you for real? If Russia wishes to refer to the...Are you for real? If Russia wishes to refer to the German attack as "a day that lives in infamy," all power to them. That in no way lessens the infamy of the Pearl Harbor attack for Americans. The national tragedy is not lessened because greater ones occurred elsewhere. And no, it's not egocentrism, it's patriotism, a laudable concern for and loyalty to one's own country.<br /><br />At first I didn't repsond, b/c your "question" was so obviously a setup to air your issue. But I was curious as to what your particular issue was, so I took the bait. Honestly, I thought you'd come up with something more compelling than this.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57740237181038198272014-12-08T08:16:56.415+02:002014-12-08T08:16:56.415+02:00Manipulation by Roosevelt?!? how so?
What other ...Manipulation by Roosevelt?!? how so? <br /><br />What other response is there?yitzchokmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-4330564545356377552014-12-08T08:06:03.573+02:002014-12-08T08:06:03.573+02:00roosevelt using that phrase is fine. all is fair i...roosevelt using that phrase is fine. all is fair in love an war and PR. for us to use that phrase 60+ years later is too much (IMO).Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42887679032247997702014-12-08T08:04:57.786+02:002014-12-08T08:04:57.786+02:00seems a bit ego centric. germany's attack on r...seems a bit ego centric. germany's attack on russia was worse. they had an actual treaty.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1034634204981725902014-12-08T00:54:05.846+02:002014-12-08T00:54:05.846+02:00It was a sneak attack, without declaration of war,...It was a sneak attack, without declaration of war, while falsely engaging in negotiations. It killed thousands of Americans, and decimated the fleet.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11631995703544928112014-12-07T19:59:08.201+02:002014-12-07T19:59:08.201+02:00Manipulation by Roosevelt, who used that phrase in...Manipulation by Roosevelt, who used that phrase in his speech to congress the next day seeking a declaration of war, which he got.<br /><br />Hashem's method of having the nazis destroyed.MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53660357342897337692014-12-07T13:19:17.226+02:002014-12-07T13:19:17.226+02:00why was this attack so awful that this is "A ...why was this attack so awful that this is "A Date Which Will Live in Infamy"?Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.com