tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post7468802984898279369..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rav Sternbuch:Tropper is guilty!Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger140125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89681199484013432342019-08-31T10:29:48.969+03:002019-08-31T10:29:48.969+03:00I will be interested in more similar topics. i see...I will be interested in more similar topics. i see you got really very useful topics , i will be always checking your blog thanks.I got many informative knowledge in this blog.<br /><a href="https://www.fastnewsfeed.com/news/which-are-the-13-major-ports-in-india/" rel="nofollow"><strong>major ports in india</strong></a>Silki sinhanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20039716580096388332010-02-04T03:27:51.562+02:002010-02-04T03:27:51.562+02:00I rather not be dragged into this muck, I extricat...I rather not be dragged into this muck, I extricated myself before it got as serious as with Shannon. But it needs to be said that as a single woman, Tropper said some really outrageous sexual comments to me and would urge me to "loosen" up. Until today, whenever I tell the story of the comments some rabbi made-- everyone topples over in their chair. Not only are they outrageous in itself, but to be coming from a rosh yeshiva??? I always knew his day would come and I didn't have to roll in the mud with a pig. I once pitied his wife. I believe she is a victim of many years of emotional abuse and manipulation. But if she can't walkout and wake up and know this is wrong, then all sympathy for her is gone. A rachmonus on her two daughters!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46051257923846260092010-01-07T05:29:59.858+02:002010-01-07T05:29:59.858+02:00Why did Shannon Orand mail the tapes to the EJF? W...Why did Shannon Orand mail the tapes to the EJF? Who posted them on Youtube? Why wouldn't these embarrassing tapes about (Tropper and)herself be quietly shown to Rav Wender or a different Rabbi descretely? Why was this discusting scandal be publicized to the world? What were Shannon's intentions??? <br />Also, why did Shannon seek out her conversion with Rabbi Tropper if she was already working with Rav Wender for over 2 years? <br />I think that there is something very suspiscious going on here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-4448881180756356472010-01-07T05:01:10.524+02:002010-01-07T05:01:10.524+02:00I have a big question:
Is any Orthodox rabbi ever ...I have a big question:<br />Is any Orthodox rabbi ever going to convert Shannon Orand??? And if not, should her children be attending our Jewish Day School and should she be welcome in our shul?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71425498885748249742009-12-29T21:22:01.041+02:002009-12-29T21:22:01.041+02:00JDB wants to know:
Does anyone share with me an ...JDB wants to know: <br /><br />Does anyone share with me an interest in how this scandal - which has captured the attention of the entire Jewish and Jew-hating world - was engineered?<br /><br />It kind of sounds like Shannon Orand made the tapes at someone else’s direction, urging or suggestion - and that person told her “No biggie, it will only go to a few leading Rabbis?” <br /><br />If so, who, if anyone, was part this project with Shannon? Is it fair, if it was a set-up, to ask: Who carried out the operation?<br /><br />The NY Post quotes Shannon Orand as saying about the tape, "It was only supposed to go to a few leading rabbis". Am I the only one who wonders: Well, WHO was it that sent a Tropper tape to any Rabbis at all? <br /><br />How did the tapes get out? Did Shannon sent them out herself? <br />Did Shannon turn the tapes over to someone else to disseminate? If so, who? Who has all the emails etc, of the “leading Rabbis”? <br /><br />How did Shannon Orand happen to tape Leib Tropper? Was there anyone there with her at the time she was speaking and taping?<br /><br />I’m getting a mixed message - on the one had, Shannon Orand is portrayed as an innocent bright-eyed demi-waif victim, bullied by a vicious sex fiend. But on the other hand, Shannon herself portrays herself as “a counter missionary for Outreach Judaism, and continues this work with other organizations, such as Jewish Israel and Bridge Houston. It’s not uncommon for a counter-missionary to subscribe to their updates, participate in conversations, and monitor their activities”. So it seems Shannon is no stranger to sneaky, undercover work. That's not work for sissies and victims!<br /><br />Where did Shannon happen to get the technical equipment to do clear, unmistakable high-quality telephone recordings? Just had the taping equipment laying around the house? Did anyone supply Shannon Orand with the equipment she used to make the tapes? If so, who?<br /><br />Don't you need a private eye or someone to do secret taping of such professional quality! Anyone help her make the tapes? Any “techies” involved?<br /><br />Now, there’s a lot of talk on the blogs about “bagmen”. People getting paid off, controlling the purse strings etc. Did Shannon get paid to make the tapes? If so, how much? Has she been promised future payments? Was she in the employ of any person or agency at the time she made the tapes, other than, allegedly, Leib Tropper? Has Shannon received tape-related payments(i.e. financial support) from anyone since she made the tapes?<br /><br />Is it fair to ask Shannon Orand whether Guma Aguiar played any role in causing these tapes to be created?<br /><br />Of course, Shannon Orand, like Leib Tropper and his wife, do not want to be bothered by any unwanted intrusion into their lives. But she did open this Pandora’s Box. Whether intended or nay, but for Shannon Orand publicizing these tapes, this could have been a private chilul HaShem and Leib Tropper still could have been ruined. <br /><br />Instead, Shannon Orand has caused the attention of the entire Jewish and Jew-hating world to be focused on a Jewish sex scandal.<br /><br />Is it totally out of order to ask her a few questions about how the tapes came to be made? Is there some reason for a cover-up?<br /><br />- An Enquiring MindJDBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16986284645469634552009-12-29T04:14:58.128+02:002009-12-29T04:14:58.128+02:00Even if Tropper had sued, that is in no way a reas...Even if Tropper had sued, that is <b>in no way</b> a reason to believe that he is innocent. In fact, the opposite could be true.<br /><br />Mordecai Tendler sued everyone he could (his shul, his accusers, other rabbonim, and more) to distract the world from the evidence in the case against him. (The evidence against Tendler was considerably more damning than the Tropper tapes.) Tendler dropped all the suits that he initiated when the defendants made it clear that they intended to present <b>very</b> damaging evidence against him.<br /><br />Indeed, Tendler succeeded in having the suit against him dismissed on technical grounds. (Note: nowhere in his defense did he claim to be innocent of the details of the accusation. His entire defense was that seducing female congregants isn't a valid basis for a civil suit in the State of New York.)<br /><br />Despite this, on a few people actually believe that Tendler is innocent. A psak halacha, which I possess, was issued by R' Benzion haLevy Wosner and co-signed by a large group of Monsey poskim from across the entire spectrum of Orthodoxy. The psak itself states clearly that Tendler was 100% guilty, based on verified DNA evidence and testimony from kosher witnesses.<br /><br />YU fired Tendler, the RCA kicked him out, his shul fired him, the Rockland County Jewish Family Service dropped him from their board, etc.<br /><br />Bottom line: don't assume too much based on the fact that someone files a lawsuit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70424329637074637662009-12-28T21:08:00.455+02:002009-12-28T21:08:00.455+02:00"The circumstances which make it appear as if..."The circumstances which make it appear as if, in the last year, he could not defeat the yetzer hora, have yet to be fully explained."<br /><br />You claim to know Leib Tropper for thirty years, yet you do not seem to know the same Leib Tropper I do. <br /><br />The Leib Tropper I knew 20 years ago in Monsey was a disgusting scumbag who used to hang out in Tuvia's bookstore "looking for potential Baalei Teshuva" to "makarev". <br /><br />I was newly married at the time and used to wait inside Tuvia's for my husband to pick me up after work. <br /><br />On more than one occasion I had to tell Tropper to "stand back from behind me, he was too close" and I also had to ask for help to tell him not to get too close to me so that he could "accidentally brush up against me" while I was browsing in the store. <br /><br />That is the Leib Tropper I know. He is the same jerk who screwed around on his wife, the daughter of Rav Margolin, a student of Rav Aaron Kotler, for 25 years before leaving her to marry one of the beautiful young women whom he was "makareving" to Yiddishkeit. The fact that she happened to also come from money was just the icing on the cake. Now we know that Laurel Blond aka Leiba Tropper has other talents which were not so obvious to the casual observer. <br /><br />Tropper's personal history should have disqualified him from acting as a decisor and shaper of the future of the Jewish people, but the fact that it did not only further illustrates that the vast majority of our "Rabbis" are as motivated by both money and sex as Tropper is.Jersey Girlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65256565059693366432009-12-28T20:37:23.645+02:002009-12-28T20:37:23.645+02:00That's right. Tropper's good friend and pa...That's right. Tropper's good friend and partner in crime, Leib Pinter, amassed a fortune of many 100s of millions of dollars ripping off the government, private people and selling treif meat & cheese sandwiches labeled as kosher. But because of his money, he was able to present himself as Tropper's front man to gather dozens of signatures from roshei yeshiva against Slifkin. He was able to get himself a desk in the Mirrer yeshiva office on Ocean Pkwy. He was able to get his son the 9th grade rebbe shteller in Mirrer mesivta. He was able to get his musser sefer of all things published by Artscroll. He was able to get at least 2 of his relatives jobs with Artscroll. For those of you who know Pinter personally, he did not even have the charm that Tropper could sometimes display. He was a nasty, stuck up, arrogant person who was known to snicker at people suffering misfortunes or simply because they did not meet his artificial standards.EJF Tragedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38506090480574558082009-12-28T20:12:39.544+02:002009-12-28T20:12:39.544+02:00William Shakespeare said...
"Tropper is done...William Shakespeare said... <br />"Tropper is done and cannot be redone."<br /><br />I wish that were so. But as we look back upon the many scandals that have come to light, we find that those who ended up with the money were accepted in Jewish communities, usually with a wink, admiration and respect from their peers. <br /><br />The lunch program/sex scandal, RCC scandal (Shmuel Amram received a long prison term because he refused to maser to the DA, and the mastermind lived a life of great respect), the fund raisers who duped widows, etc. come to mind. The ones run out of town were poor fools trying to make a living and be important in their community, and did not make tons of money. Two kosher scandals in Monsey come to mind.<br /><br />This is why it is so important to pull Tropper's teeth. He is still pushing, as shown by his invitation by Barros and his attendance at that Kollel dinner. If they can continue to show that the Jewish community will accept them as long as they provide money to yinga leit, then they will continue to receive monies from their patrons. That means they will continue to have political power in the frum community. <br /><br />Since this was Tropper's hook in creating Rabbis, his talmidim have everything to lose by not defending him. But they should all lose their smichas. Those of them with the right hashkofoh should be able to receive smicha from real rabonnim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-69588685444544714032009-12-28T19:57:19.081+02:002009-12-28T19:57:19.081+02:00There's plenty of time to pile on the mud, but...<i>There's plenty of time to pile on the mud, but in the meantime, why not a have little rachmones for everyone who's heart feels broken today? </i><br /><br />This is what you call Mida Keneged Mida, Tropper did not have a rachmanus on all the people he abused all those years when he had the power, now the chicken come home to roost<br /><br />And remember the story of Saul and Agag (not sure how much Tanach you guys have in Kol Yaakov), what happened when Saul had Rachmanus on Agag (That how Haman come to be)<br /><br />And Finaly Those who are kind to the cruel, in the end will be cruel to the kind.The Monsey Tzadiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84778045169741886402009-12-28T19:52:38.834+02:002009-12-28T19:52:38.834+02:00Fotheringay-Phipps -- good point re: futile to pro...Fotheringay-Phipps -- good point re: futile to protest. Together with the comment that people on matzav had no idea what's going on, you have another good reason not to directly address the issue. Not everyone reads this blog. Most people have no idea what a blog is, and the few newspapers that have picked it up don't exactly make their way into everyone's home.Clearly Thinkingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78270940230788849172009-12-28T19:47:39.797+02:002009-12-28T19:47:39.797+02:00ephraim said...
I think people are ignoring the mo...ephraim said...<br />I think people are ignoring the most obvious indication that the recordings are real, and that is their content itself.<br /><br />Aaron said;<br /><br />of course what efraim says is true and is part and parcel of the statement of rav sternbuch, when presented with such incriminating evidence and still staying silence thereof. This is an answer to all those above who criticize the use in this case of "silence equals admission."Aaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77187650829252285362009-12-28T19:43:13.133+02:002009-12-28T19:43:13.133+02:00I think that Shannon's weakness can be better ...I think that Shannon's weakness can be better understood in the context of what Avrohom ben Avrohom told the Vilna Gaon. In explaining to the Gra how a ger tzedek feels, he said that he felt sucked in to being mekabel mitzvos and could not stop. More recent gerim have been known to describe similar feelings.<br /><br />Since behayma Tropper was extorting her with such a sensitive thing, I could see that people in her position could lose their minds and capitulate to whatever crude demands are being made.Lakewoodernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23158759388627834352009-12-28T19:41:21.005+02:002009-12-28T19:41:21.005+02:00http://matzav.com/rav-shternbuch-on-recent-events
...http://matzav.com/rav-shternbuch-on-recent-events<br /><br />http://matzav.com/not-remaining-silentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20914065548404721282009-12-28T19:36:45.217+02:002009-12-28T19:36:45.217+02:00watcher said...
I believe that Rabbi Ehrentrau is ...watcher said...<br />I believe that Rabbi Ehrentrau is a brother in law of Rabbi M. Sternbuch, and that while Rabbi Sternbuch promotes kana'us as a public service to the Edah HaChareidis, he is also on very close terms with Rabbi Ehrentrau<br /><br /><br />Aaron said;<br />first of all rav Sternbuch does not promtoe kanaus in the Eidah, please get your facts straight, just the opposite is true. <br /><br />While Rav Sternbuch is on good terms with is brother in law Rav Erentrau, he has used all the influence he can on his BIL to try and keep him away from tropper, to no avail.Aaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87724475545931728662009-12-28T18:54:39.714+02:002009-12-28T18:54:39.714+02:00Rav Sternbuch's statement has made in onto mat...Rav Sternbuch's statement has made in onto matzav.com. It seems that some of the readers there have no idea what's going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57311963301556037952009-12-28T18:20:13.617+02:002009-12-28T18:20:13.617+02:00There is no real consent when Tropper is extorting...There is no real consent when Tropper is extorting someone trying to be megayer.<br /><br />Tropper was in a position of power and used it to pray on a weak woman.<br /><br />Tropper is the only source of chilul Hashem. Covering it up is what causes even more chilul Hashem. Exposing him is a kiddush Hashem. This is a Torah precept that was explained by Rav Carlebach, the last rov of Hamburg, Germany.Yoni B., Stop Lying!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70222469595240250282009-12-28T18:03:42.069+02:002009-12-28T18:03:42.069+02:00I believe that Rabbi Ehrentrau is a brother in law...I believe that Rabbi Ehrentrau is a brother in law of Rabbi M. Sternbuch, and that while Rabbi Sternbuch promotes kana'us as a public service to the Edah HaChareidis, he is also on very close terms with Rabbi Ehrentrau and with his nephew, Ehrentrau junior who works for the rabbanut in the department authenticating Gerim,...watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14963173310456765952009-12-28T18:03:24.616+02:002009-12-28T18:03:24.616+02:00Yoni B. said...
I have known Reb Leib for thirty y...Yoni B. said...<br />I have known Reb Leib for thirty years. In all that time, he has always done whatever he could to help me and my family. He has helped many others I know personally. I never found him to be avaricious or duplicitous.<br /><br />The circumstances which make it appear as if, in the last year, he could not defeat the yetzer hora, have yet to be fully explained.<br /><br />This is a very sad parsha, but it is not the worst thing ever to happen to the Jewish people, so let's try to stay calm.<br /><br />Whatever took place, it was certainly a set up, and only consenting adults were involved.<br /><br />What is the big rush to ruin Leibel Tropper? <br /><br />There's plenty of time to pile on the mud, but in the meantime, why not a have little rachmones for everyone who's heart feels broken today?<br /><br />Its still an open question how bad this thing is, but for sure, Reb Leibs has at least four decades of mitzvas to his credit.<br /><br />It is also worth considering whether those who brought this sordid mess to the attention of the entire world caused more Chilul HaShem than allegedly Reb Leib did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34751145323025625072009-12-28T17:37:00.011+02:002009-12-28T17:37:00.011+02:00I'm virtually sure that these tapes are genuin...I'm virtually sure that these tapes are genuine, based on all the other events surrounding them, as others have commented. But I vehemently disagree with R' Shternbuch as a matter of general principle.<br /><br />Very frequently when people are attacked in this manner, there is no recourse. It's futile to deny the allegations, and it's completely hopeless and expensive to pursue legal avenues. Possibly R' Shternbuch is unaware of this, but slanders about public figures are almost impossible to succesfully prosecute, even if the facts can be proved to be false, because the publishers are protected unless it can be proved that they knew or should have known ("gross disregard") that they were false. (Read up on the Ariel Sharon suit against Time Magazine et al).<br /><br />This is not about Tropper, who is obviously possul mikal vechal as a rabbinic leader. But a lot of other public figures get accused of all sorts of things, and many of these accusations make their into the media. Applying RM Shternbuch's logic as a general rule will lead to acceptance of many false accusations against many fine people.Fotheringay-Phippsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51578035763893317392009-12-28T17:25:11.034+02:002009-12-28T17:25:11.034+02:00>The combined readership of UOJ & Rav Yudel...>The combined readership of UOJ & Rav Yudel Shain's blogs are significant in the frum community and they have been even less charitable to Tropper than this site.<<br /><br />On VIN it's running better than 10-1. If it was a real mob instead of a virtual one, Tropper would be heading for the hills in a flash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64876794238500938102009-12-28T17:23:06.734+02:002009-12-28T17:23:06.734+02:00Anyone here see the pics of Orond's brother? T...Anyone here see the pics of Orond's brother? Throw Tropper and him in a room together for 5 minutes and Tropper will be singing like a canary on steroids!Dovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17890844424951008619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24692057104907308952009-12-28T17:08:47.492+02:002009-12-28T17:08:47.492+02:00>there is no way anyone should have been able t...>there is no way anyone should have been able to get enough audio of Tropper talking about sex and such to piece together a clean thirty minutes.<<br /><br />I think you're underestimating -- or, depending on one's perspective, overestimating -- Tropper! ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10458847970146884822009-12-28T16:36:15.435+02:002009-12-28T16:36:15.435+02:00Clearly Thinking said:
"Really? Can you name ...Clearly Thinking said:<br />"Really? Can you name ONE set of circumstances where any sane lawyer would allow an innocent person to release the statement that he did?"<br /><br />This has really gone too far. I request from whoever pressured Tropper to step down by threatening to release videos and pictures if he didn't, to release one picture that would help remove him from the Jewish scene. <br /><br />The fact that he showed up for the dinner and actions there show that he still plans to be a player in the money game. In this way he is not adhering to the terms he announced (introspection and time with his loving family). Please help remove him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71338248276065848082009-12-28T16:23:00.297+02:002009-12-28T16:23:00.297+02:00This fellow Ronnie Schreiber commenting here eithe...This fellow Ronnie Schreiber commenting here either under his own name or using the Bozoer Rebbe moniker and who almost always manages to criticize the gedolim in his posts, was behind a scam that defrauded several people of their money. He had volunteered to produce baseball caps with UOJ's logo on them but kept the money without delivering the goods.<br /><br />He is banned from the website and UOJ now makes the baseball caps himself.Warningnoreply@blogger.com