tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post740642499859491958..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Alienation of Affection State Laws Rabbi KAMINETSKY Rabbi GREENBLATT HETERDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8113186232354113702018-07-15T20:25:25.986+03:002018-07-15T20:25:25.986+03:00No.
A couple living together in one apartment as ...No.<br /><br />A couple living together in one apartment as husband and wife (even if there is no biah, but we always assume there was biah) require a get. RMF only says if it was a C or R rabbi who married them, she can remarry if we can't arrange a get, but we should still try (try is often overlooked, but that's another story).<br />As rav henkin writes, even a Catholic priest who marries two Jews, requires a get.MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17357040993233688842018-07-15T20:18:11.434+03:002018-07-15T20:18:11.434+03:00No Fault of her own?
She didnt know she needs a ge...No Fault of her own?<br />She didnt know she needs a get?<br />Her lawyer didn't tell her?<br />Her local rav?<br />Her High school yeshiva training didn't tell her?<br />The publicity she was responsible for didn't tell her?<br />Her need to travel to Memphis for a siddur kiddushin didn't tell her?MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73430572190638552852018-07-15T20:14:01.578+03:002018-07-15T20:14:01.578+03:00The BBD publicly said in writing she is not (yet) ...The BBD publicly said in writing she is not (yet) entitled to a get.MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63864566637036246062018-07-15T20:12:37.016+03:002018-07-15T20:12:37.016+03:00RHS says you can rely on RSK. "kvar horeh za...RHS says you can rely on RSK. "kvar horeh zaken" a gadol (zaken) already ruled (on this matter)MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11958333938238740422018-07-13T12:29:45.648+03:002018-07-13T12:29:45.648+03:00I can't make corrections.I can't make corrections.Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27024601758329777872018-07-13T12:22:54.539+03:002018-07-13T12:22:54.539+03:00Original bored lawyer says “I'll give one exam...Original bored lawyer says “I'll give one example from recent times. Someone in Monsey got a secular divorce, did not give a get, claimed he had a hetter meah rabbonim and married a second wife. The Va'ad Harabonim of Great Monsey looked into it, decided he was in violation of halakha, and condemned him as a bigamist. He sued for defamation in federal court. The Court dismissed the case, because it would require the secular court to rule on whether he violated halakha -- a religious question that secular courts in America may not pass on.”<br />Tamar got a secular divorce and no get and married a second husband. Joseph Orlow says this is in violation of halacha and condemn Tamar as an adulteress. Joseph Orlow is safe from any lawsuit Tamar may bring because a secular court would have to rule on whether Tamar violated halacha.<br />Joseph Orlow can charge G-K with being malicious witnesses:<br />“You must not carry false rumors; you shall not join hands with the guilty to act as a malicious witness: You shall neither side with the mighty [others multitude] to do wrong—you shall not give perverse testimony in a dispute so as to pervert it in favor of the mighty [others multitude]” (Exodus 23:1-2).<br />Oh, secular law will hear cases of perjury and malicious witnesses etc. The fake/phony PhD psychology letter is perjury etc. Please, Joseph Orlow, bring the evidence: the name of the phony/fake mental health professional etc and the date of the letter etc.Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64712777068769981502018-07-13T07:48:28.758+03:002018-07-13T07:48:28.758+03:00Original Bored lawyer says:
“Two, as far as I can ...Original Bored lawyer says:<br />“Two, as far as I can see, Rabbis Greenblatt and Kaminetsky did not advise Mrs. Epstein to do anything. They ruled on whether she is still married acc. to the Torah. So it is hard to say they interfered with the marriage in any sense recognized by secular law.”<br />Secular law prohibits a married woman with her husband alive and well to marry her lover. Secular law generally does not determine the status of a man or woman. Secular law did determine that Aaron and Tamar were married. When? Maybe when they filed for a marriage certificate. In the US 2 homos could apply and get a marriage certificate that they are married under state law. Did state law certify the marriage of the wife Tamar with her lover? Seems yes based on the G-K heter. <br />I married Yemima May 9, 1993 after I divorced Susan February 17, 1993. NYS law probably would have barred my marriage to Yemima if we lived in NYS, Heaven forbid, on the basis of bigamy. On this reasoning secular law should bar Tamar’s marriage to Adam Fleischer on the basis of a woman having 2 husbands.<br /><br />G-K had no authority to intervene on behalf of Tamar and to rule that Tamar is no longer married to Aaron, since the matter is still at the BBD which Tamar agreed to.<br />See attached letter NYS Court of Appeals 6/29/2018<br /> https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/141748f62559f98620113b0410d1cea77a8437e45bf9344caad4739d547feaef.jpgGerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35632293226337570492018-07-13T00:29:45.723+03:002018-07-13T00:29:45.723+03:00show me proof that when she initially left her hus...show me proof that when she initially left her husband it was due to pressure from rsk.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54436656131084551122018-07-13T00:28:38.714+03:002018-07-13T00:28:38.714+03:00Where is your proof that they they caused her to s...Where is your proof that they they caused her to separate and ask for a divorce?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3196033504855682072018-07-13T00:27:30.848+03:002018-07-13T00:27:30.848+03:001) original quote was from a website you don't...1) original quote was from a website you don't accept and maybe it's false<br />2) Kal vchomer on amalek. Fight them, it's a mitzva.<br />3) Uganda was never a serious option but would you choose Uganda or Auschwitz in 1942?<br />4) there was a Soviet autonomous region for Jews and the Jews who moved there were saved from the Holocaust. <br />5) you cannot make an oath to violate the Torah for example to eat pork on Wednesdays. Sensitive commandment to conquer Israel in Every Generation the alleged three of cannot really be valid and certainly not for all the timeEddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75342220058750724362018-07-12T21:58:17.508+03:002018-07-12T21:58:17.508+03:00The original bored lawyer says: “One, persons givi...The original bored lawyer says: “One, persons giving an opinion, particularly professionals, are privileged to give their opinion, so long as they do so in good faith, meaning not for an ulterior motive”<br />I quote:<br />“A single witness may not validate against a person any guilt or blame for any offense that may be committed; a case can be valid only on the testimony of two witnesses or more. If a man appears against another to testify maliciously and gives false testimony against him, the two parties to the dispute shall appear before the Lord, before the priests or magistrates in authority at the time, and the magistrates shall make a thorough investigation. If the man who testified is a false witness, if he has testified falsely against his fellow, you shall do to him as he schemed to do to his fellow. Thus you will sweep out evil from your midst; others will hear and be afraid, and such evil things will not again be done in your midst.” (Deuteronomy 19:15-20).<br />Greenblatt and Kamenetsky are malicious witnesses. They are the main witnesses that the fake/phony medical professional opinion is in good faith. They block releasing the name of the PhD medical professional and releasing the date of the fake/phony report. This is like my case with Susan. Myla Serlin handed the fake/phony 1995 Rigler Order of Separation to Judge Prus 8/1/2013. Susan herself could never do this by herself. She needs cooperation from crooked lawyers and court officials etc. Tamar could never do Tamar is free without illegal intervention by Greenblatt and Kamenetsky and supporters (Susan, ORA, etc). Greenblatt and Kamenetsky will lose in a secular court, the same as crooked lawyers often lose.Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91121057256030693062018-07-12T20:58:23.840+03:002018-07-12T20:58:23.840+03:00Show me proofShow me proofEddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16611986665805697792018-07-12T18:44:36.307+03:002018-07-12T18:44:36.307+03:00In this one, he says that Herzl's (and zionism...In this one, he says that Herzl's (and zionism's) "his true agenda was to abolish any trace of Torah from the Jewish people, in his speeches he would stress the need to return to Eretz Yisroel.By latching on to such a holy concept as returning to Israel, Herzl made himself appear as if he were truly interested solely in the welfare and the strengthening of the Jewish community"<br /><br />https://www.scribd.com/document/33552314/Rav-Moshe-Sternbuch-Duplicity-4<br /><br /><br />So the State of Israel has abolished any trace of Torah from the Jewish people? So no official Kashrut, or rabbinical authorities, or yeshivas, synagogues, eruvs, mikves set up by the state?<br /><br /><br />These claims show that even a genius in halachic literature can have views of objectivity clouded due to pre-formed ideology.<br />If The brisker Rov really said what he is quoted as saying, again it is a very strange comment. he could be limiting it to the secular extremists, eg the Kibbutzim. However, the State set up a Rabbanut, (which eh opposed). Is the rabbanut also removing every last trace of torah from the jewish people?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91704043236243047202018-07-12T18:40:35.748+03:002018-07-12T18:40:35.748+03:00What connection does this have to your attributed ...What connection does this have to your attributed quote above?<br /><br />People who do things with their body which are quite unnatural and disgusting - but insist on notifying the world that they do it, and insist that all Jews should accept these types of unnatural behaviors are behaving like Amalek.<br /><br />As to defending ourselves from our enemies - would you have chosen Uganda as a Jewish homeland? You should be aware that in 1905, at the seventh Zionist Congress, the debate of Uganda or Palestine continued. The religious Zionists voted for Uganda!<br /><br />If you would like to have a debate as how best for Jews to deal with the nations of the world, this should be a starting point. In 1905, would you have chosen Uganda, Palestine, or for Jews to seek to live in whichever nation it works out for them, without fighting against the host country?Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17273844314520519072018-07-12T17:47:07.990+03:002018-07-12T17:47:07.990+03:00http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/08/rav-moshe-st...http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/08/rav-moshe-sternbuch-forgettig-hashem.html?m=1<br /><br />Fighting amalek. He says Jewish gay's are amalek. But forbids army or fighting our external enemies.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78518893315854002762018-07-12T05:39:00.262+03:002018-07-12T05:39:00.262+03:00Thank you for the compliment but I'm not sure ...Thank you for the compliment but I'm not sure why it's noteworthy that anyone would hold in high esteem two gedolei yisroel regardless whether they agree with each other or not or lhavdil whether they agree with myself or not.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54078253407736451112018-07-12T03:12:28.519+03:002018-07-12T03:12:28.519+03:00My virus protection (McAfee) advises me not to vi...My virus protection (McAfee) advises me not to visit this site. They are a known Neturei Karta site that takes things out of context to advance their wild agenda. Rav Shternbauch is a prolific writer. Additionally, there is a reliable organization that publishes his speeches and teachings. If he wrote it, or it is published by that organization, then I will accept that he said that. Otherwise, I do not believe that he said this.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33749441621712821242018-07-12T03:06:17.649+03:002018-07-12T03:06:17.649+03:00Are you still claiming that the Kamenetzkies, as w...Are you still claiming that the Kamenetzkies, as well as Tamar's family are not guilty of alienation of affection? It is clear that they are! Sad reality, but is the fact, as is clear from the evidence. <br />They should be sued, למען ישמעו וייראו.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52771670432750251012018-07-12T02:23:05.630+03:002018-07-12T02:23:05.630+03:00but family members, counselors, therapists, and re...<em>but family members, counselors, therapists, and religious members who have encouraged a spouse to get a divorce have also been sued for these matters</em><br /><br />Really? Has anyone ever prevailed against such persons (who are not the adulterers -- meaning people who advise divorce)? <br /><br />IMO, such a case is a loser under secular law for several reasons. <br /><br />One, persons giving an opinion, particularly professionals, are privileged to give their opinion, so long as they do so in good faith, meaning not for an ulterior motive.<br /><br />Two, as far as I can see, Rabbis Greenblatt and Kaminetsky did not advise Mrs. Epstein to do anything. They ruled on whether she is still married acc. to the Torah. So it is hard to say they interfered with the marriage in any sense recognized by secular law.<br /><br />Three, there is a well established carveout for religious questions. Secular courts in America are forbidden by the Establishment Clause from determining religious questions. This goes back to a long line of cases since Watson v. Jones, 80 U.S. 679 (1871). <br /><br />I'll give one example from recent times. Someone in Monsey got a secular divorce, did not give a get, claimed he had a hetter meah rabbonim and married a second wife. The Va'ad Harabonim of Great Monsey looked into it, decided he was in violation of halakha, and condemned him as a bigamist. He sued for defamation in federal court. The Court dismissed the case, because it would require the secular court to rule on whether he violated halakha -- a religious question that secular courts in America may not pass on.<br /><br />Whatever you think of the hetter that Mrs. Epstein got, there is no way that a secular court is going to pass on that question. And without such a ruling, there is no way that a claim against the rabbis can be sustained.<br /><br />(Nor, in my opinion, should we want the secular authorities ruling on halakha.)The_Original_Bored_Lawyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50435968629747551722018-07-12T02:00:17.636+03:002018-07-12T02:00:17.636+03:00They are not my 3 parts, they are the blog owners....They are not my 3 parts, they are the blog owners.<br /><br />This is the 3rd and it has links to the first 2 https://daattorah.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unpleasant-detalis-of-how-tamar.html<br />The dates i have entered are transcribed from the first article I posted earlier.<br />You are not very smart - you are disagreeing with the story of the blog writer. If so, then that is your problem, and not mine. Why should I believe your story?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20356214793972360082018-07-12T01:50:11.649+03:002018-07-12T01:50:11.649+03:00You're both halachicly and factually wrong abo...You're both halachicly and factually wrong about every point you made.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9977080637970573842018-07-12T01:26:30.176+03:002018-07-12T01:26:30.176+03:00Did you know that Jews lived in Eretz Yisrael even...Did you know that Jews lived in Eretz Yisrael even before the Crusades? There were even the karaites, who are halachically Jewish, and they moved there , but also Orthodox Jews, such as Rav Yehuda Halevi, Ramban, the Arizal and his chug, Rav Y. Berav. <br /><br />Jews were regularly attacked and massacred or forcefully converted by fanatic arabs muslims,(also in Iran by muslims). <br /><br />The law of rodef is valid in all times, and is d'oraita. <br /><br />Arizal held that the oaths only had tokef of 1000 years (tradition through Rav Chaim Vitale). <br /><br />All Jews are zion-ist, and all Torah Jews believe that it is a mitzvah to take over the Holy land, and this is taught by Ramban.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85984691589329338172018-07-12T01:20:26.178+03:002018-07-12T01:20:26.178+03:00http://www.truetorahjews.org/issues/ravsternbuchhttp://www.truetorahjews.org/issues/ravsternbuchEddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75120348376679120392018-07-12T00:18:55.860+03:002018-07-12T00:18:55.860+03:00Absolutely. Chevron occurred decades after the Zio...Absolutely. Chevron occurred decades after the Zionists started agitating to takeover the Holy Land.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7730718705754886362018-07-11T23:54:31.722+03:002018-07-11T23:54:31.722+03:00Gerald, you got the wrong end of the stick. The po...Gerald, you got the wrong end of the stick. The position in halacha, eg for reform weddings or civil weddings was that they generally need a gett. That was the position of Rav Henkin. Rav Moshe was meikil, and said that these are not valid, hence they do not need a gett. This alleviates the risk of mamzerus, but not everyone accepted his psak,.Eddienoreply@blogger.com