tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post7349036597101451976..comments2024-03-29T09:34:59.827+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Chabad - Daas Torah Blog is "Pure unadulterated hatred" (Hirschel Tzig)Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14178437708778315682009-12-25T10:24:22.283+02:002009-12-25T10:24:22.283+02:00http://www.save-a-torah.page.tl/
Anyone of Achai H...http://www.save-a-torah.page.tl/<br />Anyone of Achai Hayehudim want to purchase a Torah?<br /><br />Anyway, I decided to comment because the Orthodox and Ultra Orthodoxs worl is going through a MEAG "Mida Keneged Mida" tit-for-tat from heaven: <br />-The Zionist Orthodox in Israel have a Pilug on issues bring them to a point where one group is hesitating to call the other group's Rabbis "Rav" (Sound familiar, Yidden??!?)<br />- Now you guys (Chabad, Other Charedim, the blog writers, the comment writers etc) are blaming each other: You havent studied enough, you dont know Chabad, you are talking out of ignorance, etc)<br /><br />The Tat that you are getting in your face is that you claimed for many decades that the more liberal Rabbis and scholars dont know enough, arent strict enough...<br />Now your Rabbis are getting it back in the face! Being blamed of being to liberal, etc!<br /><br />-And What ever happened to the Commandment: "Lo Titgodadu" ? ? ?Lee Nhttp://www.save-a-torah.page.tl/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62283048985567471802008-08-07T16:30:00.000+03:002008-08-07T16:30:00.000+03:00>>I don't know you personally; I'm s...>>I don't know you personally; I'm still trying to figure you out from your blog, but there definitely exist people who have a sick, malicious agenda to attack everything about Chabad, one driven by far less than pure motives, even if only subconsciously. Everything they can get their hands on that sounds disparaging, they post, and all in the name of "exposing the truth." That's sinas chinam because although there are pretexts for the hatred, at the core those are not the reasons, and this is just evident in the way they talk. They are out there, and everyone knows the names of their blogs. Is it so far-fetched for someone to confuse you with them, that you should be surprised at a hostile response? (By the way, I'd appreciate a response, instead of just reposting my post for others to respond.)<BR/><BR/>"The Rebbe's scholarly remarks about the Chazon Ish were borne from pure hatred."<BR/><BR/>That's the equivalent of the self-pity and martyr complex you have demonstrated above. If you cannot stick to actual facts, and resort merely to feelings, you are not being an adult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50377633982734253212008-08-07T10:09:00.000+03:002008-08-07T10:09:00.000+03:00I actually thought his mention of your sincerity w...I actually thought his mention of your sincerity was a backhanded compliment. Whatever.<BR/><BR/>Rabbi Eidensohn, just as you say that Chassidei Chabad should understand where you and your colleagues are coming from, so should you try to understand where Chassidei Chabad are coming from. <BR/><BR/>The relationship that a Chabad Chossid has with his Rebbe is a very deep relationship. It's not just about learning Torah. It's a deep personal feeling, and it's supposed to be (see, for example Kuntres Hishtatchus from the Mittele Rebbe). What if someone would start a blog badmouthing your father, would you respond dispassionately? I don't think anyone would. And if you didn't, would that reflect badly on your character? Nope.<BR/><BR/>So when you come on here, for all to see, and in essence attack Chassidim and even the Rebbe, albeit in a scholarly sounding way, it's very upsetting. We know that these claims come from misquotes, exaggerations, third-hand reports, etc. Take your post right here. Is it really fair to jump to a conclusion that one hostile post tarnishes the entire movement? I think not. We also know that some claims have some truth to them, albeit exaggerated as if these are faults of everyone or most, when in fact it's only a small minority or even a handful. You see, we know that these are exaggerations. <BR/><BR/>For example, we know that the vast majority of Lubavitchers are very nice people, and the earlier post where you quoted something impolite that a Lubavitcher said to you really comes off as a totally unfair misrepresentation, when we know that it's not so. Also, we know that there exist some regrettable faults in certain individuals over which we don't have much control, and quite frankly, that also causes us pain.<BR/><BR/>This upset feeling is all the more intense when we as Lubavitchers know that a claim, certainly the one concerning revelation of Elokus in Tzadikim, is simply not factual.<BR/><BR/>I personally have been so upset that I've had to make a tremendous effort not to go there, and stick to the issues in a more understated way, because that's the way I'm going to have some constructive impact. I think that Hirschel's post wasn't constructive, but personally, I can relate to Hirschel's sentiments. And I know other Chassidim who are so upset when they see the distortions and exaggerations, etc., that they just can't handle it, so they avoid such sites and interactions altogether.<BR/><BR/>I don't know you personally; I'm still trying to figure you out from your blog, but there definitely exist people who have a sick, malicious agenda to attack everything about Chabad, one driven by far less than pure motives, even if only subconsciously. Everything they can get their hands on that sounds disparaging, they post, and all in the name of "exposing the truth." That's sinas chinam because although there are pretexts for the hatred, at the core those are not the reasons, and this is just evident in the way they talk. They are out there, and everyone knows the names of their blogs. Is it so far-fetched for someone to confuse you with them, that you should be surprised at a hostile response? (By the way, I'd appreciate a response, instead of just reposting my post for others to respond.)Yehoishophot Oliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906934928426540018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-25746200950432213152008-08-07T07:26:00.000+03:002008-08-07T07:26:00.000+03:00Do men find these posts for/against/parave about C...Do men find these posts for/against/parave about Chabad interesting? If Chabad disappeared tomorrow, what would the male bloggers talk about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27384404038022773702008-08-07T05:39:00.000+03:002008-08-07T05:39:00.000+03:00I am anonymous and therefore sincere. 1. 'you just...I am anonymous and therefore sincere. <BR/><BR/>1. 'you just don't understand because you are not IN Chabad"<BR/><BR/>2. "you aren't intelligent or educated enough to understand because you obviously didn't study the Rebbe's sichos".<BR/><BR/>3. you are accused of sinas chinam for Chabad. <BR/><BR/>Its the standard for anyone who disagrees with Chabad. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"Missionary arguments usually appeal to emotion rather than to reason; they will attempt to make you feel embarrassed about denying the historicity of Jesus."<BR/><BR/>From the counter Missionary Reference. <BR/><BR/>And of course, the 'because you hate" just furthers the suffering martyr/collective schizophrenia that has come to be associated with the Walmarting of Judaism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-72347201443759939692008-08-06T23:57:00.000+03:002008-08-06T23:57:00.000+03:00The Tzig's logic is contorted and his assertions s...The Tzig's logic is contorted and his assertions so unfounded that he makes it quite clear that he is a Chabadsker. This kind of logic, projection, and hate which caused me to look askance at Chabad a while ago. So-called chassidim like Tzig are responsible for this, his hatred, and not c"v, the hatred of others, are the root of this problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com