tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post7209880381625645449..comments2024-03-29T06:06:58.796+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Letter of Chizuk for the "Eternal Jewish Family"Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56298630676193000312010-01-29T00:09:01.211+02:002010-01-29T00:09:01.211+02:00i left a comment b4 about how this story is not tr...i left a comment b4 about how this story is not true I think it is only right that you post the other side of teh story. the reason why they are not fighting baCK IS BECAUSE THE GUY WHO MADE UP STORY HAS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS SO YOU CANT WIN WITH A GUY KIKE THAT. PLUS THE GUY IS NOT RATIONAL. THE GUJY IS CRAZY WHO MADE UP THESE TAPES. HE WAS EVEN IN A METAL HOSPITAL LAST WEEK. THEY HAVE PROOF THAT THE TAPES ARE FAKE....AND THE GEDOLIM AND CHAREDI WORLD KNOW THAT RABBI TROPPER NEVER DID THIS. SO STOP SAYING LASHON HARA. DO YOU REALIZE HOW YOU ARE ALL RUINING SOME ONES LIFE????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9263000463878696012010-01-29T00:00:46.246+02:002010-01-29T00:00:46.246+02:00the tapes are made up. they were copied and pasted...the tapes are made up. they were copied and pasted. its so obvious. I know the troppers and they are suffering because a guy made up the story about him. a guy was made at him and payed thousands of dollars to fram rabbi tropper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-67666680248321027382010-01-10T15:24:51.247+02:002010-01-10T15:24:51.247+02:00R. Eidensohn: Please clarify the confusion about t...R. Eidensohn: Please clarify the confusion about this post. The headline is 'Letter of Chizuk for the "Eternal Jewish Family"'. Yet you incorporated within the post a commenter's opinion that it was photoshopped, i.e., not genuine. The post of December 31, 2009 published a letter dated December 15, 2009, the date that Tropper announced that he was stepping down from EJF. The post is followed by 56 other comments before mine expressing 56 different opinions. In retrospect with the fullness of time, did the gedolim endorse EJF after Tropper stepped down (i.e., what the original post appears to be) or not? Please clarify. Thank you for all the work that you do!Observer from Afarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58411709114425573402010-01-04T08:00:16.407+02:002010-01-04T08:00:16.407+02:00Just to quickly note, the above Joseph is someone ...Just to quickly note, the above Joseph is someone other than myself (who has posted under "Joseph" on this blog for a couple of years.)Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3847471035612064232010-01-01T23:34:53.611+02:002010-01-01T23:34:53.611+02:00Can a chazer be kashered?Can a chazer be kashered?Dovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17890844424951008619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47080294035390955972010-01-01T17:11:26.180+02:002010-01-01T17:11:26.180+02:00The Dr-is-in,
I think I made it very clear that I...The Dr-is-in,<br /><br />I think I made it very clear that I approved of the general campaign, and it was just that last post concerning the gedolim which got me to write. Also, I don't think I actually outright accused R. Eidensohn of any aveiros, rather I expressed my concern that there MAY be aveiros, and that it may be worth getting R. Shternbuchs opinion on some sticky issues.<br /><br />As far as Gedolim being taken advantage of, I know that only too well, and first-hand, but that in no way chances the substance of my posts (particularly the first one). You don't fix a wrong with another (and possibly bigger) wrong.<br /><br />Lastly, I just sent an email identifying myself to R. Eidensohn.Shraganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57644724359866390902010-01-01T13:48:58.152+02:002010-01-01T13:48:58.152+02:00The only thing that's simple is that "ort...The only thing that's simple is that "orthodoxjew" is a simpleton who understands very little.<br /><br />Of course there should be an organization at the forefront of halachic gerus, but hayotzei min hatomei, tomei.<br /><br />EJF must be shut down and covering up chilul Hashem only creates greater chilul Hashem.Am Haaraztus Watchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-25768087886570389712010-01-01T06:58:08.862+02:002010-01-01T06:58:08.862+02:00How to understand the Tropper scandal
Putting i...How to understand the Tropper scandal <br /><br />Putting it in proper perspective<br /><br />I think the first thing that has to be understood is why have all our mainstream gedolim and Roshe Yeshivos kept quite on this . first we have to know if he was entrapped by his enemies? lets say he was not and lets also say that the allegations are 100 % true lets assume tropper is guilty as sin, a low life , a shmutz bag, a manipulator, a faker, a menuval , you name it he is all of the above (p.s. I think he is all of the above) why have the gedolim kept quite so far? here we have a individual who took the gedolim for a ride for a few years about how he was saving klal yisroel and than boom we find out he is a scum bag , abusing his power selling conversions etc <br /><br />I think the answer is simple the mission that the gedolim stood for has to continue no matter who is the helm we need an oranazation to keep conversion bais dins in check <br /><br />We have all types of botei din in this country form rca to satmar all in the geirus business <br />How do we make sure that the people being let in to klal yisroel are properly being mekabel mitzvos lets say we have a man who comes in front of a yu type bais din he wants to be frum but he wants to continue to listen to kol isha well a mainstream bais din will tell him sorry you have to be mekabel every thing . a YU bais din will tell him no problem in too days age we don’t even tell out bochurim not to sleep over at there dates house if its late just bring your teffilin with so no prob! etc im sure you can imagine all the scenarios well we have to weed out these types of geruis <br /><br />Coming up with proper standerds for all botei din set up by our gedolim and poskim will help a lot<br /> So the mission has to continue in spite of the personal failings of one individual <br /><br />I think that’s why they are keeping quite let it blow over and the org will be stronger with out this troubled individual of course they are embarrassed but they don’t want to call into doubt the orgs good workOrthodoxJewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677943477136914734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66563973583067065112010-01-01T06:52:11.142+02:002010-01-01T06:52:11.142+02:00Is criticism of Gedolim automatically considered d...Is criticism of Gedolim automatically considered denigrating them?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-26155266034531008192010-01-01T06:46:43.287+02:002010-01-01T06:46:43.287+02:00Shraga,
Would you be willing to let us or the fou...Shraga,<br /><br />Would you be willing to let us or the founder of this blog which major kiruv organization you run, to verify that indeed you are that person and not a desperate attempt by Tropper or one of his cronies to guilt the founder of this blog into stopping his important work.<br /><br />Maybe I am reading too much into your phrasing and terminologies, but I find it telling that at many points in your post , you praise the founder of this blog as a talmid chochom, and a ben torah, and in the same breath you accuse him of loshon hora, commiting aveiros, causing others to commit aveiros and bitul torah. Are you not committing bitul torah by surfing matzav and this blog. <br /><br />I also find it strange that shortly after your post was sent, an "anonymous" post was sent accusing the founder of causing chillul hashem's and by sarcastically sayng "i know you are G-D fearing" thereby implying if he keeps his blog open he is not G-D fearing.<br /><br />If you are really Shraga, understand that if anything these gedolei hador are being taken advantage of, EJF in desperation knowing that this story was going to potentially stop the source of millions coming into them, rushed to get this letter to show Tom Kaplan and then use for their purposes. If you asked me they are doing a pretty good job so far of putting out the fire until now.<br /><br />If anything perhaps exposing this fraud of getting letters from major gedolim will be scrutinized more, so that they are not hoodwinked into writing seemingly innocent letters and then those letters are used to prop up Tropper and other frauds.<br /><br />It is not Loshon Hora, the founder has posted enough posts explaining this showing full sources.<br /><br />If you are not Shraga and a Tropper operative, nice try ;)<br /><br />MEKUBAL: I am surprised you do not see the big deal of the timing of this letter. The big deal is that Tropper and his cronies are using Tom Kaplan, who means well and are desperate to hold onto his money. His nephew Guma woke up and realized Tropper was scum, perhaps Tom will soon too. I would not be suprised if Tropper had something to do with their falling out, I have heard from many people that this is his modus operandi. <br /><br />Tom if you are reading this, please leave the "garden of eden" and the Troppical snake who has you wrapped around his little finger. It is safe to say he is SHKKWEEEZING you.The Dr. is in~noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30648871195020816802010-01-01T06:37:45.549+02:002010-01-01T06:37:45.549+02:00"Where's Waldo? said...After his grand ch..."Where's Waldo? said...After his grand chazoro biteshuva here, Roni seems to have disappeared."<br /><br />The answer is simple, Roni=Tropper, even when they appear to "differ" Roni always was and is the voice and "persona" that Tropper needs. Prior to the revelation of the Leib&Leba Tropper/Shannon Orand-sex scandal Roni was spouting every possible shtus and krumkeit in defense of Tropper, after the sex scandal, Roni was the disembodied voice of the Tropper persona "doing teshuva" in a faked roundabout way.<br /><br />The proof the Roni=Tropper and Tropper=Roni is that even as Roni was so-called "crying over" Tropper's misdeeds, he was still firing away at Tropper's list of enemies with the same snakish venon. <br /><br />Tricky Tropper is like the Joker allied with his own Catwoman Leba always one step ahead of Batman. Beware!Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79945723996784975082010-01-01T04:50:03.410+02:002010-01-01T04:50:03.410+02:00"Also I don't see what it matters if Tom ..."Also I don't see what it matters if Tom Kaplan is shomer mitzvot or not."<br />------<br />i don't know this kaplan guy and i never heard about majority of names mentioned in this blog.<br /><br />but what i DO know are women who, like myself, were humilliated without limits when dealing with ejf. <br /><br />i don't know in what this organization contributed to the existence of the Jewish people, but i DO know that the abuse over unprotected and poor women seeking for a sincere conversion overwhelmed the mind and soul of many of them. <br /><br />at the end, i, a convert by ejf, met some influential ... and these friendships helped me a LOT.<br /><br />but until to this very day i think of my girlfriends who didn't share my luck.<br /><br />i don't think this blog is in the path of lashon hara, but in the path of awareness. <br /><br />never forget. that's what i was taught during my conversion program. <br /><br />History teaches us great lessons. may we be aware them.<br /><br />if i was aware of what this ejf do to human beings, i would NEVER have contacted them.<br /><br />all sincere converts are naive though... if a rabbi tell them "jump!" the only logical answer will be: "how high?"<br /><br />if all this "tropper case" is forgotten, he will be back as any bad polititian do when his people forget his faults. and when corrupt polititians take back the power once lost, they become stronger.<br /><br />they become stronger with the experience they got and they will know much better in the future how to manipulate people and situations to accomplish their ultimate goal: NEVER be caught again. <br /><br />Rabbi responsible for this blog: Congratulations. All my respect to you. <br /><br /><br />violanteUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11905938234775756842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29940739599778401822010-01-01T03:15:11.180+02:002010-01-01T03:15:11.180+02:00NO, Eddie doesn't know who dweck is, just we ...NO, Eddie doesn't know who dweck is, just we should all cool down nwo that we got the tropper dreck out of our system.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57635354711337970982010-01-01T02:37:13.553+02:002010-01-01T02:37:13.553+02:00latimore isnt the only city
right now in nmb a ...latimore isnt the only city <br /><br />right now in nmb a member of hatzola is involved with eishes is case where the rabbonim new and covered up beCAUSE HIS BROTHER IS BEING O=HONORED BY A MOSED IN FEB <br /><br />IN ADDITION THIS MAN LEARNED IN THE KOLEL ALL DAY AND WAS BUSY ALL NIGHT <br /><br />THE RABBONIM DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO <br /><br />IN NMB THEY RECENTLY NEEDED TO RAISE 70k TO SAVE A FAMILY FROM A DRUG DEALER YET NO RABBONIM WILL SPEAK OUT ABOUT THE DRUGS , GAMBLINGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68482363267735048142010-01-01T01:05:10.302+02:002010-01-01T01:05:10.302+02:00Where is the letter from the rabbonim condemning T...Where is the letter from the rabbonim condemning Tropper's behavior?<br /><br />Where is the apology letter to the victims effected by this corrupt EJF leader?<br /><br />Where is the letter of chizuk to the families torn apart by Tropper's retaliation/revoked conversions?<br /><br />Sounds like they're worried about losing Tom Kaplan's money, but have very little concern about this tremendous chilul Hashem.Something's Missing...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87798747002022361522009-12-31T23:45:23.016+02:002009-12-31T23:45:23.016+02:00http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WC3VtDsRQjc/Sy7iu5gLWkI/...http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WC3VtDsRQjc/Sy7iu5gLWkI/AAAAAAAADxk/2dqidHBJeNA/s1600-h/just+one+jew+-+warning%5B1%5D+(2).jpg<br /><br />I called Feldheim to let them know that Tropper has publicly attacked the book they publish from Rav Mendlowitz's grandson. They said they were not aware of it.<br /><br />I hope they take action against him. There are teshuva seforim that say a big mushchoss can be taken directly to court instead of going to beis din first since you know that such a person will never listen to dinei Torah no matter what.Monseyhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WC3VtDsRQjc/Sy7iu5gLWkI/AAAAAAAADxk/2dqidHBJeNA/s1600-h/just+one+jew+-+warning%5B1%5D+(2).jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10974347342885523812009-12-31T23:31:34.039+02:002009-12-31T23:31:34.039+02:00Mekubal,
The shita in Beis Brisk has always been ...Mekubal,<br /><br />The shita in Beis Brisk has always been to take money from shomrei Torah umitzvos only.<br /><br />While not everyone is bound by this shita, there is also a Brisker shita not to take money from people who steal or who are involved in anything unsavory. As far as I see it, this should be a universal halacha. I doubt that anyone can find a legitimate shita in contrast.<br /><br />EJF and the Upper East Side pretend Yiddishkeit are unsavory.Briskernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21690773596695812312009-12-31T23:17:31.753+02:002009-12-31T23:17:31.753+02:00I don't see the big deal of this note. It is ...I don't see the big deal of this note. It is a note to Tom Kaplan, who deserves some praise for his giving.<br /><br />Also I don't see what it matters if Tom Kaplan is shomer mitzvot or not. If a Jew lgetimately makes money and wants to give that money to Torah are we supposed to reject it? Accept it, but snub him? Who knows but these words and the Zecut from his Tzedaka may bring him closer to Torah, if not him, then his children or grandchildren. <br /><br />I personally think he is worthy of praise.<br /><br />The only thing that I see wrong with this is that EJF is adding words that were never written and claiming that it is praise for EJF, that is quite obviously dishonest. Again that has nothing to do with Kaplan. He is just a simple Jew inadvertently caught up in a storm that is too big for him and which he will probably never understand.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61148798824837177402009-12-31T23:02:39.121+02:002009-12-31T23:02:39.121+02:00Dyekan,
1. I'm assuming you don't know ev...Dyekan,<br /><br />1. I'm assuming you don't know every founder of every large kiruv organization.<br /><br />2. I'm assuming you aren't aware of the existence of every large kiruv organization, only the ones who periodically take out full-page ads in the various newspapers, make big Chinese auctions or dinners, or do other publicity. Rest assured that not every large kiruv organization (and by large I mean how many people they're mekarev, not how much money they raise/publicity they do) is known to the public at large, and for good reason.<br /><br />I'm sorry you feel my first post sounded belligerent. It was not meant that way at all.<br /><br />ShragaShraganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78927015844775659832009-12-31T22:49:52.864+02:002009-12-31T22:49:52.864+02:00Is Eddie implying that it is "loshon hara&quo...Is Eddie implying that it is "loshon hara" to speak about Dweck?<br /><br />He will still entrap people for the FBI if he thinks he will gain something from it.Baltimore, the City that breedsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54481177351476609862009-12-31T22:23:10.395+02:002009-12-31T22:23:10.395+02:00wow, isnt it amazing how one menuval can get us sp...wow, isnt it amazing how one menuval can get us spreading rumours abotu every Tom , Dick and schmerel who we wish to settle old scores with, and under the umbrella of bashing the modern day Zimri, we can let our all of our frustrations and 5 years worth of repressed loshon hara!Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31246787031839897772009-12-31T22:20:39.809+02:002009-12-31T22:20:39.809+02:00After his grand chazoro biteshuva here, Roni seems...After his grand chazoro biteshuva here, Roni seems to have disappeared.<br /><br />I hope he is alive and well and not the victim of a Tropper payback hit for high treason against Il Supremo.<br /><br />Maybe he is toyveling in all the mikvos of Kadmonim to be metaher from the tumah of having associated with menuvel Tropper.Where's Waldo?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56772962134630323822009-12-31T22:15:06.503+02:002009-12-31T22:15:06.503+02:00There are only so many "large" kiruv org...There are only so many "large" kiruv organizations and I don't know of any "founded" by someone named Shraga. (And Shraga Simmons did not join Aish until the 1990s).<br /><br />And "Shraga", I don't understand your concern. Most shitos hold it is not prohibited to repeat something already publicized. Even if not, there is a toyeless to do whatever is necessary to stop EJF which Rav Sternbuch shlita has already given his backing to.<br /><br />But thank you for sounding less belligerent in your follow up post.Dyekannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40660234823854071922009-12-31T22:13:58.725+02:002009-12-31T22:13:58.725+02:00Rabbi Eidensohn, I Agree with SHRAGA. As an intell...Rabbi Eidensohn, I Agree with SHRAGA. As an intellgent and responsible person you have a huge responsiblity with your blog.<br /> You must fulfill "Haveh Roeh es H'nolad." People are defaming Gedolei Olam on your blog.That is also an added Chilul Hashem. Have you asked Rav Sternbuch about this point? <br /><br />You don't have to post this. I just feel that you are a G-D fearing person and wanted to share this thought with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18830123035287747682009-12-31T22:01:48.752+02:002009-12-31T22:01:48.752+02:00Rabbi Eidensohn,
"Do you mean that you hold ...Rabbi Eidensohn,<br /><br />"Do you mean that you hold that it is prohibited for me to report official news releases from EJF?"<br /><br />If the almost 100% assured outcome is that people will speak in a denigrating way about Rav Elyashiv, Rab Shteinman, etc? When the chances are that this post will not make any real difference? It definitely seems to me it would be ossur, yes. But I may be wrong. Being that the difference is one which may have a very big impact on schar v'onesh in the next world, don't you think it warrants at least a serious sheila from R. Shternbuch?<br /><br />"how you think the Tropper scandal and EJF should be dealt with?"<br /><br />Please don't misunderstand me. Although I'm not involved with Geirus and have never met Tropper, EJF has been grating on me for a long time. I'm the founder of a large Kiruv organization, and whenever I would see EJF holding these grand, expensive get-togethers in fancy hotels, and spending who-knows-how-much money on shtussim, while myself and other kiruv organizations had to scale back our operations because of lack of funds, I could feel the blood rising to my head.<br /><br />I think you've mostly dealt with this very admirably. This is the only blog which I feel is dealing with the issue with balance and greater purpose. When I saw the original article in Matzav about Troppers resignation, this is the first place I came.<br /><br />But... Unlike so many other bloggers posting about this, you're a real Ben-Torah and Talmid-Chochom. Unlike so many other bloggers, you're actually concerned with Din V'Cheshbon. So the question is, when fighting for something worthwhile, at what point does one admit things may be getting out of hand? That the fight may be becoming a Mitzvah Habo B"Aveira? That all the time needed to censor comments may be a Bittul Torah which Hashem is not asking from you? That in the end, the personal loss to you will be bigger than the gain?<br /><br />It's possible that everything I wrote here is totally wrong. It's possible that you bear no responsibility klapei Shomayim for the comments people leave on your blog. I am someone who has his own stories of having to deal with Gedolims right-hand men and their manipulations. But when I saw some of the comments to this post, I still shuddered. I'm truly wondering what R. Shternbuch would think.<br /><br />This post, and my previous one, had absolutely nothing to do with EJF and were 100% prompted both by what I saw as a denigration of Gedolim and my concern that a Talmid-Chochom is being sucked in to something dangerous.<br /><br />B'Kovod,<br /><br />ShragaShraganoreply@blogger.com