tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post7195166714983378488..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: It is official!: Chicago Beis Din and Israeli Beis Din agree 4 seminaries are o.k.Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger402125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12546649910682006292014-12-10T09:32:05.694+02:002014-12-10T09:32:05.694+02:00You know perfectly well that there is a recording ...You know perfectly well that there is a recording of the hearing. Stop pretending otherwise.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31177012825038862982014-12-10T07:12:58.944+02:002014-12-10T07:12:58.944+02:00That is not what Rabbi Eidensohn is saying. do you...That is not what Rabbi Eidensohn is saying. do you have independent information, and if so, from whom?Yerachmiel Lopinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65919616388770844692014-12-10T05:03:40.543+02:002014-12-10T05:03:40.543+02:00It is still not clear to me if you mean he might o...It is still not clear to me if you mean he might or might have not imposed the hug, or whether it was the girls who forcibly hugged him. I cant imagine you mean the latter, but it is not clear from your words.Yerachmiel Lopinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20985143248374585182014-12-10T01:13:22.518+02:002014-12-10T01:13:22.518+02:00At the CBD hearing, he admitted only to consensual...At the CBD hearing, he admitted only to consensual interactions. He admitted to nothing forced. That was a falsehood told by the CBD.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29862051625963938422014-12-10T00:38:20.108+02:002014-12-10T00:38:20.108+02:00corrected itcorrected itDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82675256339770886052014-12-10T00:11:53.887+02:002014-12-10T00:11:53.887+02:00Sorry, I am not sure I understand your answer. I t...Sorry, I am not sure I understand your answer. I think you have a typo.Yerachmiel Lopinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6783574044017134412014-12-09T23:56:43.260+02:002014-12-09T23:56:43.260+02:00I asked a number of people and got the general res...I asked a number of people and got the general response that from the recording it was clear whether Meisels he was admitting to forced or a mutural hug.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-22969543213831297352014-12-09T01:49:37.204+02:002014-12-09T01:49:37.204+02:00a) They were not witnesses; they were plaintiffs. ...a) They were not witnesses; they were plaintiffs. [With the exception of Ben Baruch, aka truthseeker, who spoke for a couple of minutes.] The difference, which is vast, seems to escape you.<br /><br />b) The staff and the plaintiffs (whom you misidentify as witnesses) were not in the same room. The former were in Israel, the latter in NY. <br /><br />And you pretend to have the facts about this case.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2192630690038599822014-12-09T01:45:23.676+02:002014-12-09T01:45:23.676+02:00He might then have thought you are reliable. It...He might then have thought you are reliable. It's clear now that you are not.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31737014037143288402014-12-08T23:47:54.497+02:002014-12-08T23:47:54.497+02:00So speaketh the one who spends his days attacking ...So speaketh the one who spends his days attacking the character of anyone he desires to harm.<br />I'll attack Harry's character and intelligence all I please. He is a fool who not only doesn't do his own research, but ceaselessly attacks people whom he suspects may have done wrong. Your efforts to defend him do more to harm him in the eyes of others than to help.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56441177891533342922014-12-08T21:39:50.007+02:002014-12-08T21:39:50.007+02:00He is disturbed by the fact that the beis din had ...He is disturbed by the fact that the beis din had all the staff in one room at the same time while the witnesses of enabling gave testimony. He trusts that report of mine. Do you dispute that fact?Yerachmiel Lopinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32848143401830498622014-12-08T20:49:35.793+02:002014-12-08T20:49:35.793+02:00If you're serious, you're a fool. I'll...If you're serious, you're a fool. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34544036060105842252014-12-08T20:38:53.267+02:002014-12-08T20:38:53.267+02:00It is important to note however in this case he go...It is important to note however in this case he goes against the Chicago Beis Din and accepts your interpretationDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85909176920707863972014-12-08T18:35:19.550+02:002014-12-08T18:35:19.550+02:00Absolutely untrue. To quote Harry's post:
&quo...Absolutely untrue. To quote Harry's post:<br />"So as I said earlier the schools have<br />now been deemed safe. Or so it seems. According to Yerachmiel Lopin there are some<br />troubling aspects to this settlement. Among them the following:<br /><br />While both of the original battei din had rules<br />allowing witnesses without the presence of the accused (as is now established<br />halacha for sex abuse cases) they forced the witnesses to give testimony in<br />front of the accused staff, who interrupted, screamed and heaped abuse in a<br />desperate attempt to intimidate the witnesses.<br /><br />Yearchmiel’s sources were 2 of those witnesses. I am indeed troubled by this."<br /><br />and in the comment section:<br /><br />Yerachmiel Lopin<br /><br />•<br /><br />5 days ago<br /><br />Harry, you quoted my post:<br /><br />While both of the original battei din had rules<br />allowing witnesses without the presence of the accused (as is now established<br />halacha for sex abuse cases) they forced the witnesses to give testimony in<br />front of the accused staff, who interrupted, screamed and heaped abuse in a<br />desperate attempt to intimidate the witnesses.<br /><br />You then wrote, "I don’t know what Yearchmiel’s sources are but if they are<br />accurate, then I am indeed troubled by them."<br /><br />My<br /> sources include two of the witnesses before the Beis Din. I am willing <br />to ask them to contact you, so you can independently confirm my claim.<br /><br /><br /><br />Share ›<br /><br />hmaryles<br />Mod<br /><br /> Yerachmiel Lopin<br /><br />•<br /><br />5 days ago<br /><br />No need.I believe you. I corrected the post accordingly.<br /><br /><br />Chareidi<br /><br /> hmaryles<br /><br />•<br /><br />5 days ago<br /><br />I don't get it - do you believe Lopin more than you trust Rabbi <br />Scwartz or do you trust Rabbi Scwartz more than you believe Lopin?<br /><br /><br /><br />hmaryles<br />Mod<br /><br /> Chareidi<br /><br />•<br /><br />5 days ago<br /><br />I trust Rabbi Schwartz. But I am troubled by what was reported by <br />Yerachmiel. He spoke to 2 of those witnesses. They described their <br />experiences. I have no reason to doubt them.<br /><br />I'm sure there is a <br />reasonable explanation for Rabbi Schwartz's decision. All I'm saying is <br />that I don't know what it is. I wasn't there. I am not going to 2nd <br />guess him.<br /><br /><br /><br />Chareidi<br /><br /> hmaryles<br /><br />•<br /><br />5 days ago<br /><br />except that declaring that you have no reason to doubt witnesses <br />quoted by Lopin is no longer consistent with declaring your faith in <br />Rabbi Schwartz. Lopin has publicly stated that one of the reasons the <br />CBD would not sign off on the initial IBD ruling is because it had <br />actual knowledge that certain specific individuals who had actual <br />knowledge about Meisels' actions or knoweledge of the accusations or <br />should have known about Meisels' action were still employed by the <br />seminaries and that the CBD required their removal as one of their <br />conditions. It now seems relatively clear that no one was dismissed and<br /> yet the CBD signed on to the IBD ruling clearing the seminaries. <br />Either Lopin lied about the CBD objections or the CBD is now giving its <br />approval to a seminary that is run by enablers.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32032787505295910592014-12-08T18:29:17.760+02:002014-12-08T18:29:17.760+02:00Yes he did. Who will burn in hell and who is right...Yes he did. Who will burn in hell and who is right is something we'll all find out eventually. <br /><br />For the record - claiming that the CBD is not lying effectively means that the IBD is lying. Per your reasoning "You will burn in hell for that zilzul talmidai chachomim! You are an ignorant fool, and an embarrassment."Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6446714398814960852014-12-08T18:26:54.901+02:002014-12-08T18:26:54.901+02:00I said orally and in print and I explained clearly...I said orally and in print and I explained clearly in my subsequent comment what he said in print and what he said orally. Sorry if you don't want to hear reports, but none were third hand. Rabbi Feurst told it to me. If that's not enough for you you'll have to choose not to believe it. I don't believe most of what Feurst says either but in this case he was damning himself.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68560217754080543722014-12-08T18:02:31.031+02:002014-12-08T18:02:31.031+02:00I may or may not be an arrogant fool, but the CBD ...I may or may not be an arrogant fool, but the CBD are definitely liars. That's the sad fact. Fortunately, it's not you who decides who burns, so I'm not unduly worried.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85329185869369844372014-12-08T17:59:47.814+02:002014-12-08T17:59:47.814+02:00" I say you are a shakran, and a mezalzel tal..." I say you are a shakran, and a mezalzel talmidai chachamim. You make me laugh."<br /><br />Why would zilzul talmidei chachamim make you laugh? A strange reaction.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62441262521947040132014-12-08T17:13:40.034+02:002014-12-08T17:13:40.034+02:00I am not sure why you are going on about Harry. Yo...I am not sure why you are going on about Harry. You don't like his conclusion so you are attacking his character. The piece you don't like is not presented as a new report of facts that Harry uncovered. He is taking as given a story in a reputable publication that you have quoted in the past. He is then building an opinion piece on top of it. this is a common and acceptable format for journalism and blogging. Your real problem is with the Jewish Week story. Why blame Harry for that. He believes the Jewish Week. So do loads of other people. In all likelihood, so would you if you hadn't reached a different conclusion based on the whispers from the IBD. In fact you have never denied that Meisels may have done things much worse than a few hugs. You have just insisted you haven't seen the proof.Yerachmiel Lopinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21232341119970318212014-12-08T17:02:30.161+02:002014-12-08T17:02:30.161+02:00I also love that she writes here; it supports the ...I also love that she writes here; it supports the IQ level of lopin; by the pple that believe him and align themselves with him. A reflection of him himself.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90239797750858063612014-12-08T17:01:03.534+02:002014-12-08T17:01:03.534+02:00is this comment after you said good bye or before?...is this comment after you said good bye or before? I think your cake is burning in the oven; run!!!!!!!!!!!!!maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23429101393754958352014-12-08T16:59:30.770+02:002014-12-08T16:59:30.770+02:00dont end it. face it! look it in the eye! Look the...dont end it. face it! look it in the eye! Look the truth in the eye! you're a coward.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2181364998245317842014-12-08T16:58:02.326+02:002014-12-08T16:58:02.326+02:00There is nothing being progressed . You are right!...There is nothing being progressed . You are right! the psak is out and the truth is out. Any other distortions, fake evidence or opinion you and pple like lopin are stating are actually after the envelope was sealed and you have nothing to feed off anymore; so you continue fabricating, accusing and doubting whatever has been stamped as the truth. Kind of like the accusations made by the CBD against staff without any evidence cus they realized what losers they were when support for them dwindled by their behaviour in dealing with this story. So they tried so hard until they had to admit to their lies.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30985955344945930362014-12-08T16:54:19.195+02:002014-12-08T16:54:19.195+02:00you would love to be compared to the sensible and ...you would love to be compared to the sensible and fair. Noone like that will ever be aligned with you.maryannenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8209349479752127252014-12-08T16:51:40.432+02:002014-12-08T16:51:40.432+02:00That could be a problem with many versions of Daas...That could be a problem with many versions of Daas Torah.Yerachmiel Lopinnoreply@blogger.com