tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post716896869602988948..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Schlesinger twins: British Parliament 14th January 2014 – Highlights and DiscussionDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28325311587916115672014-02-12T07:31:19.731+02:002014-02-12T07:31:19.731+02:00Does anypne know iif the two little boys are getti...Does anypne know iif the two little boys are getting their visiting with their mum at the moment? All seems to have gone very quiet. Could this be a lull before a storm?Rachel Lowensteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46294057141841469172014-02-10T23:56:55.181+02:002014-02-10T23:56:55.181+02:00BT if the case goes to a new trial and Beth wins c...BT if the case goes to a new trial and Beth wins custody,:do you think the father be content with the same arrangement that he is offering her?Sara Austrianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36015392565010440512014-02-10T20:52:59.917+02:002014-02-10T20:52:59.917+02:00Who B like to identify himself and answer why he i...Who B like to identify himself and answer why he is making false claims about Beth. Making false claims is totally unhelpful in trying to find a solution! Richard Glassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17475295184018722002014-02-10T19:18:04.076+02:002014-02-10T19:18:04.076+02:00In that case it is good the custody was not given ...In that case it is good the custody was not given to the violent mother.Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18497209236374608252014-02-10T17:54:30.162+02:002014-02-10T17:54:30.162+02:00No, only in cases where the custodial parent is vi...No, only in cases where the custodial parent is violent and has shown this by removing the children's teeth.<br /><br />This is clearly not a normal divorce/custody situation as it was discussed in British parliament. There are overtones of corruption and questionable rabbinic behavior here.<br /><br />Please don't group it with other situations, this case, probably like many others, is unique.violencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47738590442238620502014-02-10T17:03:25.491+02:002014-02-10T17:03:25.491+02:00Do you demand that all mothers who have primary cu...Do you demand that all mothers who have primary custody immediately give 50/50 custody to the fathers who only have visitation?BTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21567797784081960232014-02-10T12:46:30.247+02:002014-02-10T12:46:30.247+02:00To suggest an MP will stand up in British parliame...To suggest an MP will stand up in British parliament and simply echo something they have been told by a member of the public is lunacy! Mr freer obviously had reason to believe this to be the case. Can you show that you know Mr freer's words are untrue. Right now, I have the choice of believing an MP in parliament or an anonymously posted comment on a blog!<br /><br />If you feel strongly, show the relevant document to daas Torah for confirmation.<br /><br />Until then, you'd be better to keep quiet!<br /><br />Representnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60250142882403259092014-02-10T12:12:08.504+02:002014-02-10T12:12:08.504+02:00As an outside observer you are failing to notice s...As an outside observer you are failing to notice some very important observations, like the fathers deliberate disregard of the children's visiting rights with their mother.<br /><br />The only people who should be negotiating are the two parents. It is not for you or anyone else on here to put forward proposals for either side.Questionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-26429796482586322502014-02-10T11:58:33.523+02:002014-02-10T11:58:33.523+02:00I was asked for my opinion.
I think thar the two ...I was asked for my opinion. <br />I think thar the two parties need to start talking sensibly through appointed mediator/s to find a saisfacory arrangement. If this case goes back into court the court will probably not look favourably on the party who has refused mediation. The cost if court case for each side will be enormous. This money can be better spent on the children. It is time for both mother and father to agree to mediation without threats, so that peace can be found for all concerned. Brian Fieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16594200449608327912014-02-10T11:28:06.812+02:002014-02-10T11:28:06.812+02:00Shouldn't the father be complying with court o...Shouldn't the father be complying with court orders anyway? I'm not familiar with Austrian law, but I'm quite sure blackmail is illegal there too!blackmailnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61615043731426639602014-02-10T08:50:07.668+02:002014-02-10T08:50:07.668+02:00just a thought. would the father not allow 50- 50 ...just a thought. would the father not allow 50- 50 custody what I have with my ex husband. just means we both have a say? After reading back the above comments I seem to feel its q blackmail. the mother can have nore visiting if the father has custody. why can't custody be shared and then put an end to all of this? it cant be healthy for anyone Linda Rosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85941234453140760932014-02-10T03:23:56.463+02:002014-02-10T03:23:56.463+02:00And if the father fully and faithfully complies wi...And if the father fully and faithfully complies with the existing court ordered visitation agreement, will then the mother be satisfied or will she still be coming back with even more demands? (Such as for demanding to taking full custody.)<br />Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30597945017438629272014-02-10T03:21:37.793+02:002014-02-10T03:21:37.793+02:00Mr. Freer has not made any representations that he...Mr. Freer has not made any representations that he has access to the court documents. All he has indicated is that friends of the mother appealing on her behalf have claimed, without evidence, that the court documents don't document the many reasons the court chose the father to award custody to.Bravnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90781120183173164322014-02-10T02:40:05.450+02:002014-02-10T02:40:05.450+02:00I am in favor of the father complying with the exi...I am in favor of the father complying with the existing visitation agreement before anything can be discussed. Why are some points of the judges ruling more applicable than others?Accessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79821063495567495262014-02-10T02:39:34.785+02:002014-02-10T02:39:34.785+02:00I'm an outside observer offering personal obse...I'm an outside observer offering personal observations. I am not party to either parent nor am I friends with either. I am surprised anyone would mistaken me for a negotiator or party. I wouldn't think they would be posting on a public forum with negotiations. Uclairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47173605019004112112014-02-10T02:38:37.663+02:002014-02-10T02:38:37.663+02:00We don't have access to the court rulings. We ...We don't have access to the court rulings. We know Mike Freer has read them as he has stated that the rulings provide no reasoning for their awarding custody to the father. If you have access to court papers saying otherwise, please email them to Daas Torah and he can confirm for all of us. Until then, we will have to believe Mr Freer.Accessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28687123855609400822014-02-10T02:00:05.934+02:002014-02-10T02:00:05.934+02:00Good points Mandy Cohen. Perhaps if the father and...Good points Mandy Cohen. Perhaps if the father and mother don't feel they can speak directly at this time, perhaps someone can help to mediate, Hopefully, the father is well intentioned and wants to resolve the situation with out any more animosity. <br />Richard Daviesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49740349563588007122014-02-10T01:53:25.296+02:002014-02-10T01:53:25.296+02:00I'm fully sympathetic to increased visitation ...I'm fully sympathetic to increased visitation for the mother if that allows the father continued primary custody.Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-22618570688507260062014-02-10T01:49:37.069+02:002014-02-10T01:49:37.069+02:00Why have the courts favored the father over the mo...Why have the courts favored the father over the mother for custody? Why has the Austrian court failed to give a clear reason why they chose the father? The fact that they are failing to provide such basic details means that there was probably corruption deciding on the outcomes. The father is so ill-suited as a parent (as can be seen from taking out the children's teeth) that even the corrupt judges couldn't provide even a pretence of a reason why such an individual with previous documented violent behavior should be given custody.<br /><br />M, do you take us all for fools???<br /><br />Favornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41349022312994917432014-02-10T01:42:29.647+02:002014-02-10T01:42:29.647+02:00Uclair, who are you and how do we know you can neg...Uclair, who are you and how do we know you can negotiate on behalf of the father?Questionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50455268515282560982014-02-10T01:40:02.724+02:002014-02-10T01:40:02.724+02:00Read the court documents and rulings. All the answ...Read the court documents and rulings. All the answer as spelled out by the judge!Gavriel Hochforenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7936240891877097602014-02-10T01:36:04.414+02:002014-02-10T01:36:04.414+02:00M - I have just read what you have put above about...M - I have just read what you have put above about one parent having custody and the other visitation and take on board that but what I dont get is the amount of cancelled visits beth has had and also that she is only allowed minimal contact to her children. They should have both parents in their lives and be allowed to have a normal life. Both parents should be able to go to their kindergarten. Both parents should know about their , teeth issued, both should be able to take them to shul and spend shabbats together. why cant the father see that? I dont get it<br /><br />everyone is saying issues need to be discussed and before the kids are even more traumatised. how can we do this on this forum. will the father email the mother? call her? how can we start communication? <br />please do this for your kids<br />mandy cohennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47808964365282402912014-02-10T01:30:50.535+02:002014-02-10T01:30:50.535+02:00I don't think anyone is saying that politician...I don't think anyone is saying that politicians can change the decision of the judges but in this case they are taking a special interest which has nothing to do with votes. They want justification to be given for the decision. This case begs to be heard again. The father clearly isn't interested in sitting round a table or offering improved visiting or even keeping to any court order. Can he ever be trusted? <br />David Glassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17293360967129084112014-02-10T00:23:57.057+02:002014-02-10T00:23:57.057+02:00MPs are politicians not judges. Politicians pledge...MPs are politicians not judges. Politicians pledge their allegiance to whichever party will deliver the most votes or donate the most money to their political campaign. <br /><br />Which is why judges decide court cases and not elected politicians beholden to special interests.<br /><br />What natural justice? One out of the two parents have to be given primary custody. This is the case even if you're dealing with two living wonderful parents. At the end of the day, as good as they both are , one will have custody and the other visitation.<br /><br />There is no reason to favor one parent because of her gender. And courts don't routinely state that the non-custodial parent is bad.Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78746125810619821902014-02-10T00:12:40.463+02:002014-02-10T00:12:40.463+02:00But has the Court provided proper reasoning for th...But has the Court provided proper reasoning for their decision and if so what is it?Richard Daviesnoreply@blogger.com