tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6918165028541391251..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Haifa's Chief Rabbi: Police say to indict him for fraud & briberyDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger149125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87623912277816061742013-05-02T17:23:59.876+03:002013-05-02T17:23:59.876+03:00"Rather strange that the documentation claims..."Rather strange that the documentation claims that he was imprisoned and that he was moser modoh. and wasn't even allowed kosher food.<br />None of the documentation so far presented on this blog has shown that he was actually imprisoned."<br /><br />"stan April 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM<br />You are the one inventing facts here tzaddok. daas torah has a cxopy of the documentation and if he could repost it it would show a mesiras modoh with a complaint against a local rabbanut bais din with one abraham tzvi shainfeld and Eliyahu Abargel trying to force a get so once again tzaddok you know not what you are speaking about. Email the following and you will get the documentation. But to have the chutzpah to claim that r nissim's bais din was involved in mesirah shows how untrustworthy you are."<br /><br />send an email with subject:1039 to pdf@sendfast.org and you will see for yourself how you are inventing tzadddok. "<br /><br />So if it doesn't appear on this blog that means it didn't happen? just like you couldn't find a tik number so it didn't happen? Or just like you can't see electrons moving so it doesn't happen?<br /><br />Please tzadok I told you how to get hold of the documentation. You are no longer be'shogeg but be'meizid in posting inaccurate info. I don't control the blog but you can email daas torah as he has a copy as well. <br /><br />Tzadok does this not remind you of your pathetic attempts to deny that Aharon Friedman was assaulted round tisha be'av. It's called revisionist history.<br /><br />stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50568586529479415902013-05-02T15:09:39.453+03:002013-05-02T15:09:39.453+03:00Please explain and apologize for your previous com...Please explain and apologize for your previous comments regarding the Karelitz Beit Din and Rav Shternbuch's position:<br /><i>stanMay 23, 2012 at 3:41 PM<br />R Meyerson offered to go to the Bdatz Yerusholayim so letter is phony and irresponsible. She refused to go there but tovaih holech achar hanitvoh.<br /><br />I presume Rav Nissim also relies on the psak of heter mechirah from the rabbanut and also uses electricity from jews on shabbos since the rabbanut never assured it and eats shwarmas at the tel aviv tachanah mercazit with a rabanut tel aviv hechsher.<br /><br />The letter is a disgrace to the meory of the Chazon Ish who never held mo'us olai is mechayev a get.<br /><br />lastly where is R Moshe Sternbuch in all this. He holds mo'us olai is mechayev a Get. So let him publicly procalim the Briskers are wrong.</i><br /><br />Please explain why you keep changing the facts. Can you not read the documents posted on this blog? Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36980562377122579632013-05-02T15:07:42.454+03:002013-05-02T15:07:42.454+03:002) "The wife, not getting what she wanted tur...<i>2) "The wife, not getting what she wanted turned to the Israeli Civil courts. The secular civil courts threatened to imprison Meyerson unless he gave the Get(but did not actually do it)."<br /><br />Rather strange that the documentation claims that he was imprisoned and that he was moser modoh. and wasn't even allowed kosher food.</i><br />None of the documentation so far presented on this blog has shown that he was actually imprisoned.<br /><br /><i>3) The corrupt rabbanut forced him to give a get which everyone recognised as a false get including the appeals court of the corrupt rabaanut. But tzadok challenged me originally to provide a single case of the rabanut forcing a fake get which is what i have proved. and even if they didn;t technically put him in prison first in this case the rabanut conspired with secular authorities to keep him there until he gav e the get. </i><br /><b>A LIE</b><br />The Beit Din said he was Chayiv to give a Get and the Karelitz Beit Din agreed with their decision.<br /><br /><br />Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46155230226988793982013-05-02T15:05:28.572+03:002013-05-02T15:05:28.572+03:00Please answer for your comments Troll:
R Meyerson ...Please answer for your comments Troll:<br />R Meyerson offered to go to the Bdatz Yerusholayim so letter is phony and irresponsible. She refused to go there but tovaih holech achar hanitvoh. 100% that is the halocho<br /><br />I presume Rav Nissim also relies on the psak of heter mechirah from the rabbanut and also uses electricity from jews on shabbos since the rabbanut never assured it and eats shwarmas at the tel aviv tachanah mercazit with a rabanut tel aviv hechsher. Yes why rely on the psak of the israeli national rabbabut no less. <br /><br />The letter is a disgrace to the meory of the Chazon Ish who never held mo'us olai is mechayev a get. Of course it is, it was retracted.<br /><br />lastly where is R Moshe Sternbuch in all this. He holds mo'us olai is mechayev a Get. So let him publicly procalim the Briskers are wrong. he would not dare! but in other cases he has said you have to give a get for mo'us olai even if there should be no kefiah involved so what's your [problem tzadok.<br /><br />did you find the tik numbner? but you still haven't seen atoms moving along.<br />stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8171428378490730522013-05-02T14:40:37.140+03:002013-05-02T14:40:37.140+03:00Unfortunately since tzadk continues to obfuscate a...Unfortunately since tzadk continues to obfuscate and misrepresent and has only admitted to 1) below with no aplogy to the readers, I am forced to repost:<br /><br />Since michael tzaddok won't admit to readers of this blog that:<br />1) Falsely accusing r nissim karelitz of mesirah was a mistake and owning up to it.<br />2) Denying that the rabanut was involved in the incarceration of meyerson when documents clearly indicate otherwise<br />3) Returning to blog on agunahs or fake ones when on his own blog he has a white flag claiming he was stopping<br />4) Not admitting that he had no documentation that supported his claims that Shas voted against Oslo<br />5) Having the chutzpah to denigrate rav gestetner and rav abraham when they are the only 2 dayonim in america not in it at all for the money and relying on the rabbanut some of whose most prominent members have been shown to either violate halocho or be suspected of illicit financial dealings:<br /><br />I sincerely hope that he will stop blogging on the issue of botei din in general and agunahs in particular since he has shown that he cannot be relied upon on these matters at all.<br /><br />I doubt that this will happen. he lives in a differnt world with a different reality from the rest of us.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45673999441083748952013-05-02T14:38:54.478+03:002013-05-02T14:38:54.478+03:00"However you are correct, the Karelitz Beit D..."However you are correct, the Karelitz Beit Din did not. HOWEVER once again your facts are wrong, no Rabbanut Beit Din ordered him imprisoned either. "<br /><br />1)So tzadok changes his tune it wasn't the kmarelitz bais din that got him imprisoned.<br /><br />2) "The wife, not getting what she wanted turned to the Israeli Civil courts. The secular civil courts threatened to imprison Meyerson unless he gave the Get(but did not actually do it)."<br /><br />Rather strange that the documentation claims that he was imprisoned and that he was moser modoh. and wasn't even allowed kosher food.<br /><br />3) The corrupt rabbanut forced him to give a get which everyone recognised as a false get including the appeals court of the corrupt rabaanut. But tzadok challenged me originally to provide a single case of the rabanut forcing a fake get which is what i have proved. and even if they didn;t technically put him in prison first in this case the rabanut conspired with secular authorities to keep him there until he gav e the get. <br /><br />Tzadok please explain to us why this was a fake get but in all thew other cases of far less profile where a get is forced through imprisonment the forced get is valid. And don't tell me its because she went to the secular courts. because if a rosh yeshiva's daughter who was considered to come from a frum enough family went to arko'oys you can bet your bottom dollar or morrocan dinar that others have also gone to secular courts.<br /><br />Bottom line is even if she first went to secular court for the imprisonment and you are correct, the rabanut were involved in forcing a get with the alternative of a lengthly prison saty. <br /><br />Tzadok that is your holy rabanut but r gestetner is corrupt.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54003977335642394722013-05-02T03:49:36.909+03:002013-05-02T03:49:36.909+03:001) Falsely accusing r nissim karelitz of mesirah w...<i>1) Falsely accusing r nissim karelitz of mesirah was a mistake and owning up to it</i><br /><br />Mesirah? No. Mesirah is handing someone over to non-Jewish authorities. A Beit Din ordering punishment is not Mesirah. <br /><br />However you are correct, the Karelitz Beit Din did not. <b>HOWEVER</b> once again your facts are wrong, no Rabbanut Beit Din ordered him imprisoned either. <br /><br />After tracking down all of the sources it would appear to go like this:<br />1) The couple went to the Israeli National Rabbanut Beit Din(jerusalem does not have a municiple B"D at present). They ordered that the husband needed to give a get. However that was all. They did not order Kefiya.<br /><br />2) The Karelitz B"D agreed.<br />http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2012/05/aguna-wife-of-r-yosef-dov-meyerson.html<br /><br />3) The wife, not getting what she wanted turned to the Israeli Civil courts. The secular civil courts threatened to imprison Meyerson unless he gave the Get(but did not actually do it). A point that Stan, who claims to know all the facts neglected to mention.<br /><br />4) Since the wife went to Arkaot without any sort of valid heter, in keeping with halakha the Rabbanut Beit Din changed it's ruling on Jan 4 2012. <br /><br />5) Rav Moshe Sternbuch ruled that until the wife drop her case(presumably her secular court case) any Get given would be a Get Meusah.<br /><br />6) The Karelitz Beit Din in May of 2012 wrote in agreement with once again Rabbanut and now Rav Shternbuch.<br /><br />Thank you Stan for leading us all on a merry chase of false facts. All we have come to is that a secular court can't force a get, something we have known since the second Get law passed in NY.<br /><br />Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61142240434113444072013-05-02T03:07:19.679+03:002013-05-02T03:07:19.679+03:00Please answer for your comments Troll:
R Meyerson ...Please answer for your comments Troll:<br /><i>R Meyerson offered to go to the Bdatz Yerusholayim so letter is phony and irresponsible. She refused to go there but tovaih holech achar hanitvoh.<br /><br />I presume Rav Nissim also relies on the psak of heter mechirah from the rabbanut and also uses electricity from jews on shabbos since the rabbanut never assured it and eats shwarmas at the tel aviv tachanah mercazit with a rabanut tel aviv hechsher.<br /><br />The letter is a disgrace to the meory of the Chazon Ish who never held mo'us olai is mechayev a get.<br /><br />lastly where is R Moshe Sternbuch in all this. He holds mo'us olai is mechayev a Get. So let him publicly procalim the Briskers are wrong.</i><br /><br />Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84320764093860070062013-05-02T00:24:00.240+03:002013-05-02T00:24:00.240+03:00Stan, I also hear your point in general about brib...Stan, I also hear your point in general about bribes. I actually agree in principal, and certainly no dayan, whether I am closer to him than to say r Gestetner, should make money out of giving a favourable psak din. I am no there to judge the judges, so I can only - in case of doubt - go according to rov.<br />Kashrut is also a similar issue, and the way it brings parnassa to a lot of people, is also a bribe. <br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50430425191074578402013-05-02T00:12:17.316+03:002013-05-02T00:12:17.316+03:00Since michael tzaddok won't admit to readers o...Since michael tzaddok won't admit to readers of this blog that:<br />1) Falsely accusing r nissim karelitz of mesirah was a mistake and owning up to it.<br />2) Denying that the rabanut was involved in the incarceration of meyerson when documents clearly indicate otherwise<br />3) Returning to blog on agunahs or fake ones when on his own blog he has a white flag claiming he was stopping<br />4) Not admitting that he had no documentation that supported his claims that Shas voted against Oslo<br />5) Having the chutzpah to denigrate rav gestetner and rav abraham when they are the only 2 dayonim in america not in it at all for the money and relying on the rabbanut some of whose most prominent members have been shown to either violate halocho or be suspected of illicit financial dealings:<br /><br />I sincerely hope that he will stop blogging on the issue of botei din in general and agunahs in particular since he has shown that he cannot be relied upon on these matters at all.<br /><br />I doubt that this will happen. he lives in a differnt world with a different reality from the rest of us.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52478435676094557222013-05-01T21:06:59.727+03:002013-05-01T21:06:59.727+03:00"Initially he claimed that Shas voted against..."Initially he claimed that Shas voted against and the other chareidim for. Those were his claims.<br /><br />You are correct. They were my claims. For which I documented my sources,"<br /><br />You did not document your sources because there are NO such sources. These are your inventions. Tzaddok economic with the truth yet again.<br /><br />Because you are so defiant tzaddok I will wipe the floor with you.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84427349642467085542013-05-01T21:02:17.421+03:002013-05-01T21:02:17.421+03:00exactly what contradicitions did i make attacking ...exactly what contradicitions did i make attacking the karelitz bais din? please list them for us. you quoted ad nauseum from a letter of his claiming he was oyver mesirah. i read the letter and saw he said the exact opposite as does the documentation you can get hold of from meyerson saying the exact opposite of your allegations. get real tzadok and admit you have been "economic with the truth" yet again.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48784541158563733342013-05-01T20:59:42.079+03:002013-05-01T20:59:42.079+03:00According to tzadok there is no such thing as elec...According to tzadok there is no such thing as electricity because he can't see the electrons moving just like he can't find the tik number of the rabbanut beth din which incarcerated yosef dov meyerson. pathetic and clueless.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38904234477654442482013-05-01T20:57:21.997+03:002013-05-01T20:57:21.997+03:00I am allowed to attack a bais din that made a mist...I am allowed to attack a bais din that made a mistake, a terrible one at that. You have not admitted lying about claiming that this bnei brak bais din was oyver mesirah despite documents stating the exact opposite. You are obstinate in your sheker.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51107327709495759502013-05-01T20:41:31.615+03:002013-05-01T20:41:31.615+03:00Initially he claimed that Shas voted against and t...<i> Initially he claimed that Shas voted against and the other chareidim for. Those were his claims.</i><br /><br />You are correct. They were my claims. For which I documented my sources, and admitted my error. Something you have yet to do for any of your contradictory statements.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31498342306259463372013-05-01T20:40:28.337+03:002013-05-01T20:40:28.337+03:00You talk of ranting. That is 11 comments without ...You talk of ranting. That is 11 comments without ever explaining the apparent contradictions in statements that you made attacking the Karelitz Beit Din or proving... well anything.<br /><br />Fare thee well Troll.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-76277470836858571452013-05-01T16:57:25.139+03:002013-05-01T16:57:25.139+03:00"Unless you can provide a tik number for a Je..."Unless you can provide a tik number for a Jerusalem municipal Beit Din. Oh wait there isn't one. There is only the Rabbanut Beit Din on King George because Jerusalem is lacking a Municiple Rav..." those are your words. here are mine<br />"you are the one inventing facts here tzaddok. daas torah has a copy of the documentation and if he could repost it it would show a mesiras modoh with a complaint against a local rabbanut bais din with one abraham tzvi shainfeld and Eliyahu Abargel trying to force a get so once again tzaddok you know not what you are speaking about."<br />So according to tzaddok this is some other bais din not a rabanut bais din because he hasn't yet found the tik number and also the bais din can't exist since there is no chied rabbi even if it put meyerson in jail.<br />So let's understand the logic here. Meyerson a greatgrandson of the Brisker Rov who forbade all contact with haichal shlomo, according to tzaddok went to haichal shlomo to overturn the ruling of either rav nissim's bais din or some unknown but certainly not the rabbanut bais din when he could have gone to the b'datz bais din to overturn the ruling. <br />Pathetic and illogical tzaddok. Meyerson or someone on his behalf went to the rabbanut appeals court which al pi halocho should not exist to overturn a lower rabbanut court decision for the simple reason that just because the bdatz overturns a rabbanut decision would be irrelevant and still cause meyerson to be incarcerated in jail. So he had no choice but to go to this appeals court and only went there to prevent his re-arrest due to a lower court rabbanut decision. Otherwise it goes without saying he would have gone elsewhere.<br />Baal ha'chalomos.<br />stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34218463640302531162013-05-01T16:46:05.564+03:002013-05-01T16:46:05.564+03:00Eddie your taaynos on the contradiction in the ann...Eddie your taaynos on the contradiction in the annulment case I can't comment on because I don't know the facts. I do know that in the Goren case however both r moshe feinstein and r shlomo zalman came out vocifirecely against r shlomo goren. and then 2 rabbis were very PC and would never condemn the MO. RZ worlds so this is a serious issue. You would need to ask those involved in dayan sherman's camp to explain the apparent contradiction but I hear your point. However it in no way excuses the psak of r Goren.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-59434347105870954862013-05-01T16:37:58.200+03:002013-05-01T16:37:58.200+03:00tzaddok claims that the non responsibility of his ...tzaddok claims that the non responsibility of his ethnic party fro bringing the labor govt in place which has led to thousands of atrocities being perpetrated against innocent jews for some black Volvos is the truth and mine is opinion. he is certainly welcome to his opinion.<br /><br />But let's look at his track record on the matter. Initially he claimed that Shas voted against and the other chareidim for. Those were his claims. And he was shown to have been completely wrong. So let the reader decide if tzaddok is accurate and knows what he talks about. stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39204379433189736442013-05-01T16:35:13.390+03:002013-05-01T16:35:13.390+03:00the only thin g that is true is that I sharply cri...the only thin g that is true is that I sharply critisized the bais din of rav nissim karelitz for being influenced by a lot of pressure from bnei brak honchos to side with the wife without proper due diligence. But I never accused them of mesirah and the bottom line is they retracted and had egg over their face. But tzaddok never retracts. he carries on with his chalomos.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37597376653990129472013-05-01T16:33:04.072+03:002013-05-01T16:33:04.072+03:00"Stan let us once again look at your own init..."Stan let us once again look at your own initial comments:<br />stanMay 23, 2012 at 3:41 PM<br />R Meyerson offered to go to the Bdatz Yerusholayim so letter is phony and irresponsible. She refused to go there but tovaih holech achar hanitvoh.<br />So you said that he they went to the Karelitz B"D and that this was their decision."<br /><br />Another chalom. Where did i say he went to the bais din of rav nissim karelitz. she went not him. it says clearly he would only go to the b'datz eida chareidis.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31996008084729146142013-05-01T16:25:01.695+03:002013-05-01T16:25:01.695+03:00tzaddok so clearly does not understand the concept...tzaddok so clearly does not understand the concept of s'char betailo it is not funny. Your employer says you get paid for 40 hours a week but may not take any remuneration from anyone else. So this is classic case of where there would be no s'char betailo because you are not giving up any of your time since you would not be able to charge for it anyway. Clueless.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91596589708176631012013-05-01T16:21:47.815+03:002013-05-01T16:21:47.815+03:00Tzaddok claimed he wasn't posting on the aguna...Tzaddok claimed he wasn't posting on the agunah matter because it was bittul torah. when he started blogging about corruption on botei din he tried to claim this was different. now he is full back blogging on agunahs again. he has misrepresented yet again. he has also falsely accused the bais din of rav nissim karelitz of being involved in mesirah. Shame on you tzaddok. stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83982028277204883362013-05-01T16:19:39.576+03:002013-05-01T16:19:39.576+03:00" shlomo goren being mattirt mazeirim Who sai..." shlomo goren being mattirt mazeirim Who said that this wasn't a problem? He is arguably why Rav Ovadia Yosef initially pushed so hard for term limits and standardization of the election process of Chief Rabbis."<br /><br />So basically you admit the rabbanut is corrupt and the savior is always rav ovadia. Please you are the one who is so full of ethnicity it is unbelievable.<br /><br />You can still have a corrupt thug for 10 years who mattirs mamzeirim, who is indicted, who is a puppet and who bnrings disrepute by charging for weddings and if he takes kickbacks here who says he has any ne'emonus al pi halocho for not taking kickbacks elsewhere.<br /><br />If r broyde was foreced to resign because of sockpupetting what r meir lau has done is a million times worse. carry on with your chalomos that the botei din of rav abraham and rav gestetner are no good because the heilige rabbanut and r amar;s secratary have said so. but the rabbanut whom for the last 10 years have all the chareidi dregs are great and the chilonim had no complaints about their behavior until 10 - 15 years ago.<br /><br />tzaddok you live in an imaginary alternative universe that no one casn argue against.stannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42229727019758136162013-05-01T16:14:34.723+03:002013-05-01T16:14:34.723+03:00"r meir lau's financial shenanigans
Charg..."r meir lau's financial shenanigans<br />Charging for weddings... Once again why should he not be able to take Schar Betalla for a wedding? People don't need to be married by him, there are plenty of municiple Rabbanim that can do their wedding. But they want the extra honor of having him perform their wedding. So he decides to charge for his time. So what? Oh wait he isn't doing what his "Zionist Paymasters" tell him to do... Where is the corruption?"<br /><br />You must be kidding right! If the employer says not to do something and you violate it even if it is stupid you pretty much deserve to fired. Is this not a chilul Hashem violating what your employer tells you to do? Do you think he pays tax on the cash he receives?<br /><br />This guy gets paid a full fat salary from his secular paymasters for 40 hours a week and is not allowed to take another job. So there is no s'char betaloh involved. While you have a bekius there seems to be a huge inability to apply the knowledge. <br />stannoreply@blogger.com