tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6817738557650547887..comments2024-03-29T18:58:23.695+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Prostitutes & Judaism - Degradation of womenDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65410793083104586442008-09-24T23:25:00.000+03:002008-09-24T23:25:00.000+03:00Jersey Girl said... ...Judaism and the modern mona...Jersey Girl said... <BR/><BR/><I>...Judaism and the modern monastic life of the bochur who delays marriage to "fortify" himself with his learning. <BR/><BR/>...Now in order to compete with modern Western society Rabbis are encouraging men to delay marriage in favor of higher Torah education until age 23-25. <BR/><BR/>No more is the Talmudic standard age of marriage for men 18-20. Who changed this??? and why?</I><BR/><BR/>The idea that yeshiva bochurim delayed marriage in order to devote themselves to learning is mostly a myth. It may have been true in some cases, but it was not the rule, neither in the past nor in the present.<BR/><BR/>It is well known that the main reason why European yeshiva bochurim tended to remain bochurim until a more advanced age was simply because there were very few young women in Europe who were interested in marrying them. A yeshiva bochur was not seen as a desirable mate. This was one of the underlying factors that generated support for the Beis Yakov movement. <BR/><BR/>As for today, most young men of 18-20 are simply not mature enough to get married.<BR/><BR/>I know of one prominent American rosh yeshiva who used to encourage his talmidim to get married at a young age, but changed his approach when his talmidim began coming back to him for marriage counseling. He realized that they were not ready for marriage yet.<BR/><BR/>Are there downsides to delaying marriage? Certainly. But if the result of early marriage is marital discord and divorce, then it is dubious if the benefits outweigh the costs.<BR/><BR/>As for the rise in immoral behavior, I don't think that the root of this problem is delaying marriage for four or five years. Especially as these problems are much more prevalent among teenagers, not twenty-five year old bochurim.<BR/><BR/>It is precisely the immaturity that generates this misbehavior that demonstrates that these young people are not ready or marriage.LazerAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10463856909521693296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23718909046449854952008-09-24T15:51:00.000+03:002008-09-24T15:51:00.000+03:00Just as a footnote, I wanted to mention roots of p...Just as a footnote, I wanted to mention roots of pornography in the witch hunts where a woman suspected of sexual immorality was stripped naked and flogged in the public square. <BR/><BR/>Another old timey mode of pornographic entertainment was the slave auctions where African women were displayed nearly naked to the cheering crowds of bidders. <BR/><BR/>Today's pornography often reflects the female role play of either the slave in bondage or the evil temptress who is being punished for leading good men to sin. <BR/><BR/>There are more than a few scholarly sources which trace the roots of modern pornography to practices sanctioned under the guise of zealous Christianity. <BR/><BR/>I wrote a thesis on the topic (a long LONG time ago). <BR/><BR/>Anyway, back to Judaism and the modern monastic life of the bochur who delays marriage to "fortify" himself with his learning. <BR/><BR/>First of all, the whole concept of haredi Harvard was only invented about 150 years ago as an antidote to Haskala. Now in order to compete with modern Western society Rabbis are encouraging men to delay marriage in favor of higher Torah education until age 23-25. <BR/><BR/>No more is the Talmudic standard age of marriage for men 18-20. Who changed this??? and why? <BR/><BR/>Now we have the issue of delaying marriage and all sins inherent. <BR/><BR/>This is just another case of Christianity being repackaged as Judaism IMHO. <BR/><BR/>Monastic life? As the old saying goes, "more than a few toilet seats are left up in the convent' and the tongue in cheek question among parents of "where did your daughter go to inseminary?" <BR/><BR/>That the topic would even be a discussion in this way on Daas Torah confirms many a parent's worst nightmares.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com