tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post6785544689821031367..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Satanic child abuse - Is there a ring of such pedophiles operating in Sanhedria Murchevet?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19718585887806152102015-03-20T10:05:40.898+02:002015-03-20T10:05:40.898+02:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tari
here is...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tari<br /><br /><br />here is an example of ritual (sexual) abuse that seems to be confirmed.Quetch-onnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13599671624977787952015-03-18T16:39:53.095+02:002015-03-18T16:39:53.095+02:00Given the extraordinary number of children suppose...Given the extraordinary number of children supposedly involved, the details are remarkably vague. Were any medical tests performed on any of these children to look for physical evidence of abuse? (If so, what were the results? If not, why not?) Has any serious effort been made to put together all the information about individual children, bus routes, drivers, delays, etc. to get a coherent picture of the situation and see if there really is a problematic situation? I mean, if this has supposedly been going on for years, there has been plenty of time to do the basic legwork of compiling information. Instead it sounds like it is just a litany of vague, disconnected claims and rumors, which, though they share certain common features, lack any kind objective confirmation.<br /><br /><br />By all appearances, this appears to be simply a Jewish/Israeli version of the famous Satanic ritual abuse hysteria that took place in the US in the 1980s.Eliezer Abrahamsonhttp://shesileizeisim.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73827281060705623682015-03-16T23:20:31.085+02:002015-03-16T23:20:31.085+02:00"we've even discovered a lot of the techn..."we've even discovered a lot of the technology. So kids don't naturally talk up".<br />Could someone tell me what type of technology he is talking about. what technology did they discover??Tahininoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30599474130706007752015-03-15T17:17:14.966+02:002015-03-15T17:17:14.966+02:00http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2015/03/sanhedria-...http://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/2015/03/sanhedria-murchevet-problematic.htmlDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-22823048694850389652015-03-15T16:17:03.904+02:002015-03-15T16:17:03.904+02:00It seems that RB did the right thing.
1. He anno...It seems that RB did the right thing. <br /><br />1. He announced repeatedly in no uncertain terms that one may not let their child out of the house alone. He's been speaking out about that since he was told the very first episode. <br /><br />2. He was careful not to spread rumors based on what many of the children were saying (until others already spread many rumors, and he spoke up to clarify what is going on, and to dispel totally fabricated rumors ). This is consistent with the anecdotal evidence many are sharing here that doing so may lead to parents putting ideas into their children's head, thereby causing mass hysteria.<br /><br />And that is what he said when he spoke in public. He said what children are saying, followed by explaining that we can only do our due diligence. But with the reality of children's wild imaginations, followed by lack of evidence to their sensational claims, we just don't know. At the same time, all possibilities are on the table, and no idea, no matter how farfetched, should be discounted.1jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87934475595049125552015-03-15T14:09:09.101+02:002015-03-15T14:09:09.101+02:00First of all you are relying on chazokos with no b...First of all you are relying on chazokos with no basis in halacha as I mentioned before, for 2 reasons to disagree with Rabbi B.<br />Second of all you have not researched the children of this case as Rabbi B. has.<br />Third of all you claim he has done it solo, without professionals, which is not true, an you know it.<br />As for my video, Prince Andrew is one the people mentioned there, you are so evasive, and it is obvious why. That was just to show you it does exist, The internet is not where I will get my information from, nor could it be used in court , Din Torah or Din shomayim.<br />Reb Moshe in Igres Moshe was not matir blogging against a choshuve Talmid Chochom, when you take things out of context, to write your own book.<br />I am not publishing information into the WWW, which could damage the true askonim trying bimsirus nefesh to help a very unfortunate chelek of klal Yisroel.<br />The fact you are so adamant to find out where I am who I am & what I know, shows me a little insight into who you may very well be.<br />It seems from all your posts on this subject that you have been bought out by the sitra achara (the other side & the soton), not to say that you are a satanic, but you will go to great lengths to protect them as you do, at the expense of the abused kids, of who'm the only way you may know who they may be is from the Satanic abusers themselves.<br />It is no surprise that the chief of police who dropped this investigation in Yerushalayim was later forced to resign for very horrible aveiros. The Satanic cult were able to blackmail him, with info they had on him, so as not to prosecute them.<br />For all practical purposes the dark Satanic is just a nick-name, it isn't there actual trade name, but that they want to be machtie Yiddishe children & do it through multiple forms of abuse has been corroborated. <br />The fact that you claim to know all the children & parents are lying tells me something about you. <br />You are trying to disprove Rabbi B. in blog space rather than in person, where you may hear the facts if you have a good reason to know them, and have the nerve to say that I think he is infallible. <br />You don't know the facts of this story he does, unless the Satanic abusers have informed you of them.<br />Imagine I, together with another person would witness a man biting a dog. We would then come to beis Din and testify man bit dog, you would be the dayan, & would Google man doesn't bite dog so it never happened. Even if you would pasken that way, we would still know it happened because we saw it, no matter how much you prove it didn't happen we would know it did.<br />Without speaking to Rabbi B. you have no case, and the Tshuva you quote from Reb Moshe isn't about a metzius, which could be proven by speaking to the other person,(if he will speak to you, which after how you blog, he may have good reason not to)& you know it here again you are writing your own book & if you sleep well at night it says something about you.In the Know from Nachalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13530351558033683352015-03-15T10:28:27.094+02:002015-03-15T10:28:27.094+02:00@In the know - your dancing around my questions is...@In the know - your dancing around my questions is shameful. Your "proof" that there are satanical abuse rings is from the stories about Prince Andrew?! that is the best you can do to justify dismissing the two lengthy well researched articles I published about the nonexistence of these rings? It wasn't just from Wikipedia?<br /><br />I have no trouble sleeping at night - so please don't loose any of yours worrying about it. Not sure why anyone needs to ask for mechila for disagreeing with the views of a talmid chachom. Wasn't aware that Rav Berkovwitz thinks he is infallible and that anyone questioning his judgment will lose his Olam Habah?<br />Perhaps you should read through the Igros Moshe and see how Rav Moshe Feinstein viewed people disagreeing with him.<br /><br />In sum - instead of calling out hell fire and brimstone against me - why don't you resort to a cogent discussion of the factsDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36147744996289390052015-03-15T03:22:25.764+02:002015-03-15T03:22:25.764+02:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrX2G6sMojc
BTW, ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrX2G6sMojc<br /><br />BTW, I find it strange someone calling himself Daas Torah, paskening from a chazoko, learned on Wikipedia,from a justice system which as long as OJ Simpson had money he was cleared of murder, & when he no longer had money got a life sentence for not murder.<br />See the above link to realize how connected those evil doers are, & that is why the justice system in the US disposes of their cases before it even gets to a jury.<br />More so you could work out (be mevarer) the chazoko, by speaking to Rabbi Berkowitz. You will find out that he didn't act solo as you believe.<br />Instead of of sacrificing your oilam habo, by bad mouthing Rabbi B over here in the name of Dass Tora Rachmono lizlon. Go & speak to Rabbbi B or I'll say it like it should be said Sh..ut up.<br />Rabbi B didn't speak against you in public, he has no reason to speak to you. You have a chiyuv to ask him mechila berabim, by making up what ever you think must be fact labeling it Daas Torah & publishing it to the entire world wide web.<br />I don't know how you sleep at night.In the Know from Nachalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6966668302038516502015-03-14T22:06:26.502+02:002015-03-14T22:06:26.502+02:00@In the Know - how about revealing what your conne...@In the Know - how about revealing what your connection to this story is? You are in Lakewood - where is your information coming from?<br /><br /> As I have mentioned before I have done research in this matter. Rav Berkovitz presented his case in his public address. I do not feel that he is handling the matter properly. He is not a tranined investigator, he is not a psychologist and from what I am hearing he is relying on people who do not have proper training in psychology to deal with this case. If recognized experts in the field - publicly came out in support of his views - then I would take the claims more seriously.<br /><br />If Rav Berkovitz wants to speak he knows how to reach me - but I don't think he is concerned about what I have to say.<br /><br />Your research is not accurate. We are not talking about people with an interest in Satanics - but a Satanic Child Abuse ring. Please present the links that provide evidence that they exist and how common they are - and how often people have conducted a lynch mob and harmed the innocent before it was determined the charges were false?<br /><br /><br />your evidence is rather far fetched to put mildlyDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47943938200575464392015-03-13T18:42:20.019+02:002015-03-13T18:42:20.019+02:00You still have not answered why you don't go &...You still have not answered why you don't go & speak to Rabbi B.B4 posting over here.<br />If you do a little more research even on Google you will find out how connected the Satanics are. More so some of them believe in bringing all Yehudim to EY, so that they could shmad them, if they don't shmad they believe they will be killed in Israel in Armageddon.<br />I heard from someone of Hungarian descent that when the Bobover Rebbe Z"L escaped the concentration camps & fled to Hungary, he went round giving droshos & collecting money saying they are killing Yidden in the most horrific ways. This guy's grandfather along with other Hungarian Jews laughed at him, saying another Rebbishe einikel found a new way to schnorer money. Before long they found out it was true.<br />So to over here unless chas veshalom it hits home, nobody believes it. Please do yourself & Klal Yisroel a favor. Excuse my language but I am in the US , get off your b.. & go to Rabbi B. Tell him about your blog. etc.<br />BTW you really think he is acting solo, there is a lot more to this story. You too will be shocked.<br />I also thought it was drivel imagination & obsessions until...I cannot say anymore over here.<br />Please go to Rabbi B.In the Know from Nachalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18657988168119085022015-03-13T17:16:50.497+02:002015-03-13T17:16:50.497+02:00LONDON — The recent revelations that teenage girls...LONDON — The recent revelations that teenage girls were systematically raped and trafficked by gangs of older men over long periods of time in several British cities prompted a host of inquiries into why the authorities had seemingly turned a blind eye for so long.<br /><br />This week, a police report into the first such case to be successfully prosecuted concluded that there had been a forcewide failure to address sexual abuse in the northern city of Rochdale, but that no police officer would face serious discipline.<br /><br />In 2012, nine men of mostly Pakistani heritage in Rochdale and neighboring Oldham were found guilty of charges that included rape and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child. The victims, dozens of them, were overwhelmingly white, and the cases set off a debate on race, religion and ethnicity in Britain...<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/world/europe/police-failed-to-address-sexual-abuse-in-northern-british-city-report-says.htmlDavidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7300178096796613812015-03-13T16:23:00.595+02:002015-03-13T16:23:00.595+02:00I suppose that the idea that satanistic congregati...I suppose that the idea that satanistic congregations can pick up random children and submit them to ritualistic abuse is a bit unrealistic.<br /><br />I suppose that the vast majority of ritual abuse cases happen within the family, where the children have no advocates that will speak up for them.<br />i.e. I think that there are indeed families who groom their children/grandchildren and rent them out to pedophiles in a setting of ritual abuse. It might happen to the children of members of the sect.<br /><br />But in the case of children who have tender and loving parents they can turn to, the risk would be far to great to groom them and repeatedly use them in such a setting.Quetch-onnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-985058290954884722015-03-13T16:09:14.918+02:002015-03-13T16:09:14.918+02:00@In the know - could you please cite the cases of ...@In the know - could you please cite the cases of clearly proven satanic abuse rings? What is clear that in the US were there were many such stories which sound very similar to what Rav Berkovitz presented - they have ALL been thrown out.<br /><br />That is a very powerful chazaka. <br />In addition after two years - there is not one suspect. Where are the eyewitnesses. Everything is built upon the testimony of these children and as Rabbi Berkovitz repeated states - it is hard to know what can be believed.<br /><br />All that has been presented against this chazaka and lack of witnesses is a lot of conjecture<br /><br />Of course Rabbi Berkovitz is sincere and is working with mesiras nefesh - but that doesn't mean he knows what he is doing or going in the right direction.<br /><br />Where are the trained forensic psychologists who are making public statements in agreement with what he is saying? Where are the public campaigns and political pull to get the police involved?<br /><br />The only reaction I have gotten so far is from someone claiming to be a supporter of Rabbi Berkovitz asking me to take down the recording and transcript from my blog because it contains too much detail for the masses.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41292056218229013902015-03-13T15:49:13.233+02:002015-03-13T15:49:13.233+02:00In the know since Nachalot, like most of you Rabbi...In the know since Nachalot, like most of you Rabbi B didn't believe Nachalot, it was young yungerleit, giving Chosson shiurim, who were shocked by hearing it, & sought advice from Rabbi B. At the beginning he didn't believe it, like you don't. However as it started coming in from too many directions it was too corroborated to be not true at all. At that point major research was done, by experts, and conclusions were made.<br />The reason why people don't believe it is because it is unbelievable. If it didn't happen to you it is beyond imagination.<br />Why the police are useless over here? Watch the police beating up kids or even Arabs at hafgonos to see how much yiras shomayim they have, & BTW have you not witnessed many police resignations at the top for these very or at least sexual missconduct allegations?There is more to the police story, & more to the entire story.<br />Unfortunatly adayin hasoton merakeid beineinu, and some of our best are on the wrong side,albeit for different reasons.<br />This is worse than the Holocaust (godol hamachtio), only moshiach can save us, from our own who have taken the wrong side.<br />On Rabbi B I say yomim al yemei melech toisif, there are things he cannot disclose during legal investigations, however he is doing his utmost with mesiras nefesh, to advise parents to do their part in keeping their children as safe as possible. Please support him not the opposite, like many commentators above.Rabbi E if you really mean Lesheim shomayim, and want to help, how about visiting Rabbi B, & getting the story first hand, you maybe shocked or for some reason a noigai beddoveor.In the Know from Nachalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50412526534963180032015-03-13T01:17:12.196+02:002015-03-13T01:17:12.196+02:00NO NEED TO POST - JUST RESPONDING TO YOU FYEO
That...NO NEED TO POST - JUST RESPONDING TO YOU FYEO<br />That does seem to be your pattern. When it is pointed out that you have made a mistake, you change the subject.<br />In all honestly, and without sarcasm: <br />Don't worry, I don't come here at all anymore unless someone asks me to look at something posted. I used to check in daily and respected you very much. Then you wrote about 2 stories that I knew in detail and realized you are not always as honest, straightforward or unbiased as I had thought. I was very sorry, because I considered you a clean and straight source of information. Now I am somewhat disillusioned and realize everyone online is really just in show biz of some kind or another.<br />I used to live in sanhedria murchevet so this caught my attention. I will try extra hard not to make that error again.love it!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-92095797891368465122015-03-13T01:15:11.421+02:002015-03-13T01:15:11.421+02:00May I ask about "Daas Torah of the mystical p...May I ask about "Daas Torah of the mystical prophetic authority which does not rely on sources but on the ruach hakodesh of the person." <br /><br />Is this something that is in existence today, or is it a reference to the time there were Neviim, and Urim V'Thumim (may those days speedily be renewed!)?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30166293018914676302015-03-12T23:06:33.540+02:002015-03-12T23:06:33.540+02:00Actually, I did not write a summary of R' Berk...Actually, I did not write a summary of R' Berkowitz' speech; perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. As to the other one, not everyone who visits this blog can read Hebrew.Yehoshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91052389059325234492015-03-12T22:31:53.133+02:002015-03-12T22:31:53.133+02:00testtestsdfdsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55721450306639271232015-03-12T22:30:33.502+02:002015-03-12T22:30:33.502+02:00This is getting rather silly. "Daas torah&quo...This is getting rather silly. "Daas torah"? "Mortal secular knowledge"? Whatever are you talking about? This is the second time that you ascribe to me something that you produced out of thin air. Why do you insist on derailing the conversation? I understand that "daas torah" is one of your favorite topics but please let us stick to the matter at hand. What I said was that a responsible leader looks at the whole picture with all its ramifications. This is expected of a secular leader as well as of a rabbi.<br /><br />Regarding lo sa'amod all dam rei'echa, I knew that you would invoke that, which was why I preempted you. You're lengthy quote from Choshen Mishpat was quite unnecessary and not particularly relevant. The Shulchan Aruch refers to active danger and specific threats. Here, we are not dealing with specific or known perpetrators, or specific clear targets. There is certainly no technical chiyuv of lo sa'amod al dam rei'echa which would require immediate, decisive action regardless of the fallout. The mitzvah would apply in a general way, as in we need to do something about this situation. By the same token, we would need to take into account others forms of harm which may be caused.<br /><br />You write that I seem to ascribe to a rav a job description which is not there both in halacha and in common sense. If you think that common sense does not dictate that a leader be deliberate in decision making, attempting to view events from numerous angles, then I suppose that the commonality of that sense has passed you by.<br />It does not seem that Rabbi Berkowitz has taken on the job of "protecting" the community on his own, as you write. He certainly claims that he made numerous attempts to get others involved, as well as taking steps to raise general awareness. What was happening also did not become clear all at once. Do you possess the exact formula for when exactly is the right time to klop on the bima and cause mass hysteria?<br /><br />I have no issue with you, or anyone else, disagreeing with what Rabbi Berkowitz did. My issue is with the fact that you cannot see that the other side may have some merit, even if you would disagree. I do not know if Rabbi Berkowitz approach was correct. I do know, though, that it was a measured, responsible thought process which brought him there.<br /><br />From your comments to me as well as to others it I apparent that you see yourself as being uniquely qualified to have an opinion, to the exclusion of most others. Hence your comments ts about other people's competence and your (incredible) protests about being judged while you very confidently judge others.<br />Granted, you know more then me - and probably more than most, given your fixation and obsession - about child molestation. You also seem to think that you have unique competence in the halachic arena, something which I have seen no indication of.<br />Where you are stunningly incompetent however, is in your ability to see the broader picture and to look at an issue from multiple angles.<br />Your stubborn refusal to acknowledge that there may be merit to another viewpoint -even if it is one that you ultimately reject- leaves me feeling that it is very fortunate that you are not a leader in a community.yehudanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83704372340217801952015-03-12T22:28:41.788+02:002015-03-12T22:28:41.788+02:00@love it - your sarcasm is inappropriate. If you f...@love it - your sarcasm is inappropriate. If you find it to hard to communicate properly please go find another forumDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29583445958807167452015-03-12T22:25:50.030+02:002015-03-12T22:25:50.030+02:00"Rav Moshe Feinstein never claimed such - not..."Rav Moshe Feinstein never claimed such - not sure why you think he does?"<br /><br />not sure what you are talking about, never said a word about Rav Moshe . . .<br /><br />"What give you the competence to stick your head into this matter?"<br /><br />Woops, sorry! Thought this was a public forum!love it!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48734138107348069742015-03-12T22:18:26.783+02:002015-03-12T22:18:26.783+02:00I have no idea whether or not there was abuse. The...I have no idea whether or not there was abuse. The guy's computer had nothing to do with the case. Furthermore, it was accessed illegally, which could open R' Berkowitz to criminal or civil charges, if the fellow decides to pursue it. How would that look?<br /><br />One thing I'm very clear about in my mind is the inappropriateness of ordinary people, be they rabbonim or askanim, playing policeman or vigilante or detective. It's ineffective, and leads to very foolish and even dangerous places, including potential legal liability.kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-25495108899326390462015-03-12T20:54:09.789+02:002015-03-12T20:54:09.789+02:00@Love it! - I think you misunderstood. I was refer...@Love it! - I think you misunderstood. I was referring to Daas Torah of the mystical prophetic authority - which does not rely on sources but on the ruach hakodesh of the person. In that sense I am claiming that Rav Berkovitz does not have an advantage. Never heard him claim authority based on ruach hakodesh - have you? Rav Moshe Feinstein never claimed such - not sure why you think he does?<br /><br />Regarding the halachic and psychological sources - I disagree with the way he has handled this case. <br /><br />What give you the competence to stick your head into this matter?Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33949409213780390492015-03-12T20:29:05.644+02:002015-03-12T20:29:05.644+02:00"you seem to assume that Rav Berkovitz repres..."you seem to assume that Rav Berkovitz represents Daas Torah while I represent mortal secular knowledge. I don't accept either view."<br /><br /><br /><br />woah!-pretty heavy comment. So you believe Rav Berkovitz doesn't represent Daas Torah any better than you do? I must be misunderstanding your meaning of that comment.love it!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68622345692373433632015-03-12T18:19:08.360+02:002015-03-12T18:19:08.360+02:00What is being presented is not that a gang is targ...What is being presented is not that a gang is targeting small children, but a sophisticated group of people that are drugging, torturing and brainwashing children for unknown reasons. In the cases in Britain, the reasons were clear, there were crimes that were being committed and there were perpetrators that were arrested with ample hard evidence of their guilt.Bonoreply@blogger.com