tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post589397793750695875..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rav Chaim Kanievsky allegedly invalidates all witnesses to marriage and divorce - who have an iPhoneDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70841021106188122642013-12-26T17:16:17.138+02:002013-12-26T17:16:17.138+02:00Don't forget that Aaron Feinhandler is the fe...Don't forget that Aaron Feinhandler is the fellow running a startup that hopes to make and sell KOSHER "iPhones" (smart phones for the educated).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89964033118272861322013-12-26T17:11:22.136+02:002013-12-26T17:11:22.136+02:00"Satmar rebbe's ruling,that participating..."Satmar rebbe's ruling,that participating in the Israeli elections is an ISSUR of YEHERAG V'AL YAAVOR,"<br />Nice example. He also forbade people to visit the Kotel. Is there anyone who would NOT go to the Kotel for that reason? (even though in the British Mandate or previous arab occupations, anyone who could go, would.)Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89802343403623230442013-12-26T12:48:16.440+02:002013-12-26T12:48:16.440+02:00Then the problem would only apply to people in tho...Then the problem would only apply to people in those communities which accept Reb Chaim as one who can make gedarim for them. Members of the Dati Leumi community, for example, are not obligated by gedarim created by the Charedi Gedolim. Yet the letter of Rabbi Feinhandler applies what Reb Chaim said to dattiim as well.dlzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08269900740743979382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65195525343371889922013-12-26T12:45:24.644+02:002013-12-26T12:45:24.644+02:00the Possul war is part of Haredi obsessive-compuls...the Possul war is part of Haredi obsessive-compulsive disorder. It is this religio-psychiatric disorder which has led to internecine warfare, as is now apparent - every haredi sector is now in war with itself, latest being the Litvish world.<br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-26776601852456925142013-12-26T07:51:22.271+02:002013-12-26T07:51:22.271+02:00James I am not disagreeing with you, but that is w...James I am not disagreeing with you, but that is what is being taught in kollelim and yeshivot all over Israel. For the record I have heard the "IPhone is full of pornography" speech myself.... even commented on it at one point on my own blog.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36932352526065884132013-12-26T04:44:48.645+02:002013-12-26T04:44:48.645+02:00Emes vishalom, i beg to differ,it is the gaboim an...Emes vishalom, i beg to differ,it is the gaboim and the handlers of the gedolim- who misquote them and deliberately twist their words to fit their personal agendas, and the blogs who paste it all over the world,these are the people who are mevazeh talmidei chachamim ,and these same low life's are the ones responsible for the unprecedented fire of machlokes both in the yeshivishe and chasidishe worlds jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362441815954044213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57922627784384388822013-12-26T04:26:15.383+02:002013-12-26T04:26:15.383+02:00Anyone with an ounce of brains in his head has to ...Anyone with an ounce of brains in his head has to realize,that reb Chaim's psak was in the same category as the Satmar rebbe's ruling,that participating in the Israeli elections is an ISSUR of YEHERAG V'AL YAAVOR,or the MAHARAM SHIK'S ruling that metzitza bpeh is a HALACHA LMOSHE MISINAI,which of course every normal person realizes they did not mean it literally they just wanted to make a point of how strongly they felt about the issue at hand, as a matter of fact reb.Moshe Feinstein z"l when quoting the above mention MAHARAM SHIK,says that this was only a PLITAS HAKULMUS,an accident of the pen,in other words an exaggeration.<br />This is a perfect example, where we must use our fifth shulchan aruch,(if we have it)<br />CH.Sjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362441815954044213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58632742153518149712013-12-25T23:54:47.273+02:002013-12-25T23:54:47.273+02:00"Rav Chaim Kanievsky allegedly invalidates al..."Rav Chaim Kanievsky allegedly invalidates all witnesses to marriage and divorce - who have an iPhone"<br /><br />Of course, those who are steeped in גניבה וגזילה, defrauding the government, enabling child molesters by demonizing the victims, those guilty of being מספרי לשון הרע, illegally selling human organs, intolerance of other Jews, those deeply involved in שקר וכזב and every other form of being a פערד גנב are all כשר לעדות- correct? In this דור תהפוכות the name of the game is, "Mirror, Mirror on the wall, who is the Frumest of them all?" Has anyone lately seen a חומרה on לא תגנוב? We truly live in a time when we regrettably are witnessing מֵשִׁיב חֲכָמִים אָחוֹר וְדַעְתָּם יְסַֹכֵּל. How much farther must we fall into absurdity? bewhiskerednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19226023468969101782013-12-25T23:26:40.196+02:002013-12-25T23:26:40.196+02:00Wake up !
Is it not time for better leadership th...Wake up !<br /><br />Is it not time for better leadership that we currently have?<br /><br />I cannot comment on Rabbi Kanievski but this is obviously a mockery of essential leadership that we desperately need.Eize Hu Chochomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15172122633884886920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43114509102545475092013-12-25T22:45:45.563+02:002013-12-25T22:45:45.563+02:00A poretz geder is pasul l'eidus.
What's s...<b>A poretz geder is pasul l'eidus.</b><br /><br />What's so hard to get?Shlomo Zalmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15329980930763906242013-12-25T21:29:38.523+02:002013-12-25T21:29:38.523+02:00to Rabbi Eidensohn
i dont understamd, why do you ...to Rabbi Eidensohn <br />i dont understamd, why do you let comments that are mavazeh talmeidai chachamim??<br />i hope you will post this & i await your reply. nobody is perfect.emes vishalomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491792782697272690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8339883837721605032013-12-25T19:17:21.419+02:002013-12-25T19:17:21.419+02:00If you will examine the letter, you will note that...If you will examine the letter, you will note that it is not signed by Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky. Indeed it is merely a presentation by an Ahron Feinheldler, who claims to have heard this ruling by Rabbi Kanievsky in the the presence of the Rabbi's grandson, Rabbi Aryeh Kanievsky. Unfortunately it is a well known fact,that the vast majority of these so called gaboim and handlers who surround themselves around todays rebbes and gedolim,are nothing but low life gangsters who are there for only two reasons, and that is to enrich themselves, and for the KAVOD,anyone who believes one word what these guys are saying is an idiot.<br />And not only that,these are the low lifes,who fuel the fires and Machlokes that has engulfed klall yisroel in the last few years.<br />CH.S<br />jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362441815954044213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44804523224468404422013-12-25T18:54:58.851+02:002013-12-25T18:54:58.851+02:00If this story is true,"and it is a big IF&qu...If this story is true,"and it is a big IF" and reb Chaim was serious and meant this PSAK to be literal, then it only proves once again,that mandatory retirement should be forced even on gedoileh yisroel.<br />But most probably this PSAK was in the same category as the Satmarer rebbes famous ruling that participating in Israeli elections and sitting in the Knesset is YEHERAG V'AL YAAVOR,or the MAHARAM SHICK'S famous ruling that metzitzah b'peh is HALACHA LMOISHE MISINAI,every normal thinking person realizes that it was not meant literally,they just wanted to convey the message of how strongly they felt about the issue ,if i recall correctly,reb Moshe Feinsteins reaction to the ruling of the MAHARAM SHICK,was that it was a PLITAS HAKOLMUS,an accident of the pen,in other words an exaggeration .<br />anyone taking this ruling by reb Chaim literally,needs his head examined.<br /><br />CHAIM.S jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362441815954044213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51487937179671750202013-12-25T16:25:43.999+02:002013-12-25T16:25:43.999+02:00I once spoke to a major zealot about a similar iss...I once spoke to a major zealot about a similar issue, and he told me that a telephone is just as bad, and why that is true I don't want to talk about. Thus, everything can be misused. If a person has a legitimate need for a telephone, the fact that it could be misused cannot prevent him from using it. Now, if a great rabbi forbids telephones, and people disobey him, are they invalid witnesses? If a person sins with something that everyone else does, does that make him a rosho? Or is a rosho only somebody who does something nobody else does. If so, to invalidate a person, he must do something intentionally that nobody else does, or at least, the sin is not in general done. What happens if somebody speaks loshon hora or is motsee shem ra or embarrasses somebody in public? Is he invalid as a witness? Or do we say, that since people don't take these aveirose with the proper measure of fear they deserve, the sinner is not a rosho who is disqualified from testifying, etc. If this is not true, since "everyone speaks loshon hora," who can testify? Basically, a person can prefer a witness who doesn't speak loshon hora, who never steals or cheats or does something clever in business, but who ever heard of canceling the marriages or the Gittin? Sometimes, people can say something in the heat of the moment, as an exaggeration. We find even the Torah exaggerates saying that somebody had walls up to the heavens, etc. But this is not to say that in practice we accept it.Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81280421400503123142013-12-25T13:37:08.067+02:002013-12-25T13:37:08.067+02:00"Rav Chaim Kanievsky allegedly invalidates al..."<i>Rav Chaim Kanievsky allegedly invalidates all witnesses to marriage and divorce - who have an iPhone</i>"<br /><br />In response, it is obvious that this is contradicts: <br />אין גוזרים גזירה שאין הציבור יכול לעמוד בה<br /><br />From: www.yeshiva.org.il / Wikishiva:<br /><br />"<a href="http://www.yeshiva.org.il/wiki/index.php?title=%E0%E9%EF_%E2%E5%E6%F8%E9%EF_%E2%E6%E9%F8%E4_%F2%EC_%E4%F6%E9%E1%E5%F8_%E0%EC%E0_%E0%ED_%EB%EF_%F8%E5%E1_%E4%F6%E9%E1%E5%F8_%E9%EB%E5%EC%E9%EF_%EC%F2%EE%E5%E3_%E1%E4" rel="nofollow">אין גוזרין גזירה על הציבור אלא אם כן רוב הציבור יכולין לעמוד בה</a><br /><br /><br />כל אימת שנראה לבית דין לגזור גזירה, לתקן תקנה או להנהיג מנהג, עליו להתיישב בדבר ולידע תחילה אם רוב הציבור יכולים לעמוד בו, אם לאו. משום כך, כשחרב בית המקדש השני, ורבו פרושים בישראל שרצו להמנע מלאכול בשר ומלשתות יין, נטפל להם ר' יהושע, ואמר: שלא להתאבל כל עיקר אי אפשר שכבר נגזרה גזירה, ולהתאבל יותר מדאי אי אפשר שאין גוזרין גזירה על הציבור אלא אם כן רוב הציבור יכולין לעמוד בה, אלא כך אמרו חכמים, סד אדם את ביתו בסיד ומשייר בו דבר מועט.<br /><br /><br />מטעם זה, לא אסרו חכמים לגדל בארץ ישראל אלא בהמה דקה ולא בהמה גסה, שכן ידעו חכמים שבאיסור גידול בהמה דקה יכול רוב הציבור לעמוד, מפני שאפשר להביא בהמה דקה מחוץ לארץ; אבל באיסור גידול בהמה גסה, אין רוב הציבור יכול לעמוד, מפני שאי אפשר להביא בהמה גסה מחוץ לארץ. "Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1520309746017031022013-12-25T06:46:07.036+02:002013-12-25T06:46:07.036+02:00Vromi
I was at an event where a goy was observing ...Vromi<br />I was at an event where a goy was observing a minyan for maariv. He asked me "if when the men bowed down they were texting, were they still rewarded?".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66551807870361283572013-12-25T06:35:20.795+02:002013-12-25T06:35:20.795+02:00About that video. You're going to tell me thes...About that video. You're going to tell me these men don't use computers connected to the Internet...?! Did you see how they smashed and stomped?? Who hasn't felt that way at some point when a little twirling "hang tight" thingy goes on and on, or when a program or app keeps crashing, etc etc ad nauseam. No sir, these men come across as veteran users.<br /><br />My sister once reasoned that the operating system on PC's is called "Windows" because that's where you want to throw the computer out.Joe Orlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12731119371553255001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46497323782994252412013-12-25T06:32:19.389+02:002013-12-25T06:32:19.389+02:00I had someone very close to teh Kanievsky family s...I had someone very close to teh Kanievsky family speak with them. It seems that Rabbi Feinhandler is known to add his own twist to Rav Chaim's words, and although Rav Chaim does have a strong concerns about the dangers technology poses, this "psak" did not come from him.Get Real...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28996053815922549252013-12-25T05:16:58.400+02:002013-12-25T05:16:58.400+02:00RMT, considering a Mohel with an iPhone possul is ...RMT, considering a Mohel with an iPhone possul is completely absurd. It has no basis in halacha.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32600649620528943472013-12-25T03:01:09.954+02:002013-12-25T03:01:09.954+02:00some people have a Siddur app on their i/smartphon...some people have a Siddur app on their i/smartphones, and they daven (weekdays) using their phones. Would, therefore, such a person be posul for a minyan?Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89827887599357469202013-12-25T01:44:28.294+02:002013-12-25T01:44:28.294+02:00r sholom kamenetski has a smart phone - does that ...r sholom kamenetski has a smart phone - does that invalidate him from being an abritrator/mediator in the weiss/dodelsohn case?<br /><br />Yankel fun Mikkeys kaveh shteebAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-22327450092963294962013-12-25T01:37:27.055+02:002013-12-25T01:37:27.055+02:00"Happy is the man who makes the Lord his trus...<br />"Happy is the man who makes the Lord his trust, and does not turn [Hebrew: Pho-ne] to the proud, nor to those who go astray after lies." Psalms 40.<br /><br />(From the Tanach Bible app on my WiFi connected iPad). Although I may not be believed according to some that that is where I got the quote.Joe Orlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12731119371553255001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21196760392440080332013-12-25T00:34:52.473+02:002013-12-25T00:34:52.473+02:00The war against the IPhone goes back well before R...The war against the IPhone goes back well before Rav Eliashiv passed. Mohelim and Sofrim who have IPhones(or any other smart phone) have been considered possul for quite some time.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87664870601784367212013-12-25T00:19:22.620+02:002013-12-25T00:19:22.620+02:00SOME THINGS STILL HAVE TO BE CLARIFIED...
How doe...SOME THINGS STILL HAVE TO BE CLARIFIED...<br /><br />How does one know if a prospective עד קידושין (witness) indeed has a iPhone?!<br /><br />Can we ask him himself? Is he נאמן (believed/trusted)??<br /><br />Do we need two עדים? Is it עד אחד נאמן באיסורין (iPhone Isur), or its it אין דבר שבאישה פחות משנים?!?<br /><br />How can one say witness that a person DOESN'T have a iPhone?? Prove a negative?! Is it enough if the witnesses check his pockets?!?<br /><br />For those that are סומך (rely) on the היתר מכירה, can he "sell" the iPhone to a non jew? How about to a non religious Jew? How about to one of the other (religious) guests? <br /><br />For those that aren't someich on the heter mechirah for shmittah, but sell their chometz before pasach, is iPhone like chometz or shemittah???<br /><br />Does one become disqualified when he buys the iPhone?? Connects the service? Makes the first call?? What if one was gifted an iPhone? Barrowed an iPhone??<br /><br />Does it prove he always lacked יראת שמים and he's פסול למפרע to?!?concernedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725433166043905160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56664738535603224792013-12-24T22:38:19.660+02:002013-12-24T22:38:19.660+02:00"Someone"... yippeee dooh.
so that "..."Someone"... yippeee dooh.<br />so that "someone doesnt know what an iphone is!!<br />& you still assume that when he says that r. chaim also doesnt know---you go ahead and assume he knows how & what r. chaim knows!?!?!?!!! NONESENSE!!!emes vishalomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491792782697272690noreply@blogger.com