tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post5260699612361067357..comments2024-03-29T06:06:58.796+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Banning a rabbi for rumors of sexual misconductDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90699885237063573112009-12-24T01:07:34.811+02:002009-12-24T01:07:34.811+02:00F., Can you email me I want to discuss this with y...F., Can you email me I want to discuss this with you?<br /><br />ehRockland@yahoo.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70085721047275021562009-12-23T18:42:15.033+02:002009-12-23T18:42:15.033+02:00Would Rabbis who do phony conversions fall into th...Would Rabbis who do phony conversions fall into this category too?Zephrimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3710540467642562712009-12-23T18:10:57.728+02:002009-12-23T18:10:57.728+02:00Ephraim, the reason nobody did anything is because...Ephraim, the reason nobody did anything is because he was or should I say still IS a "Rosh Yeshiva" We have created an environment where nobody goes up against a Rosh yeshiva, it is your word against a Rosh Yeshiva. Even though his close colleagues know he is a menuval unfortunately they did not have the power or influence to try overthrow him.<br /><br />I have heard first hand by Rabbeyem who worked in the Yeshiva, including Rav Pinchos Jung, who used to be the masgiach at the yeshiva, as well as Rabbi Schwab who was a Rov at the yeshiva for 13 years that he is a menuval, but that their hands are tied.<br /><br />In the 1st case, Rabbi Jung unfortunately had now power, he lived on meager wages and said that Rabbi Tropper signs his check.<br /><br />In the latter case of Rav Schwab the excuse was made for Tropper that he is a menuval, but that we must feel sorry for his irrational ways and temper, because since Tropper has diabetes he has mood swings and is not thinking clearly.<br />This of course is a case of dan lechaf zchus, Tropper one day fired him on a whim after 13 years of basically working there for free. <br /><br />According to Wikipedia, the Co-Rosh yeshiva is still Rav Dovid Stefansky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kol_Yaakov_Torah_Center<br /><br /><br />Someone should contact Rav Dovid Stefansky, The Co-Rosh Yeshiva of Kol Yaakov/Horizons and ask him if he condones and still supports Tropper.<br /><br />As long as Tropper has enablers he will continue his reign of terror and abuse of those who are powerless to stand up for themselves. <br /><br /><br />Rabbi Dovid Stefansky's Number is <br /><br />David H Stefansky<br />9 Langeries Dr<br />Monsey, NY 10952<br />(845) 426-1389<br /><br />Rabbi Wolpin's number is<br /><br />David R Wolpin<br />81 Saddle River Rd<br />Monsey, NY 10952<br />(845) 352-4993<br /><br /><br />Kol Yaakov's number is<br /><br />29 West Maple Avenue<br />Monsey, NY 10952-2954<br />(845) 425-3863<br /><br />My assumption is that Tropper the control freak has instructed all his puppets not to take any calls regarding him, but maybe someone can get through to them. If they are true Torah followers, they will support the Baal tshuva's who they dedicated their lives to helping, and not enable a Zimri posing as a Rosh Yeshiva, who abuses baal tshuva's and geirim and who pressures them into being in his brother and fulfilling his sick desires.<br /><br />The Rabbeyem at the yeshiva have to decide, do they enable Tropper and sink with him? Or do they stand up and say they will not align themselves with such a menuval and maintain their reputations and hard work over the decades.F.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16472421492500129442009-12-23T18:08:16.989+02:002009-12-23T18:08:16.989+02:00ephraim said:
These kind of comments really puzzle...ephraim said:<br />These kind of comments really puzzle me. If this was known, why didn't anyone do anything until it was spread over the Internet?<br /><br />Monsey Jew said;<br />in town it was known that Rav Elya Svei distanced him. he had a twenty year break of these type of stories,so some people forgot., there were other stories that should have raised public eyebrows including the whole EJF, (there the money blinded everyone)Monsey Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34282006870771367972009-12-23T17:51:07.107+02:002009-12-23T17:51:07.107+02:00ephraim, I believe the answer to your question is ...ephraim, I believe the answer to your question is that there was a massive failure, lack of good judgement, and abdication of responsibility here. For what it is worth, many of the little people recognized this man as a bully at best shortly after EJF started operating. He and EJF were rejected, but nobody hears the voices of the little people like rabbanim in smaller and smaller communities around the world. Many folks associated with YU and the RCA rejected him after initial exposure to him; but you're probably not asking about them.<br /><br />This is just one more, but especially gross example, where the rabbanim have been blinded and the askanim/bullies have taken over.Mordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23211206191800299862009-12-23T17:25:16.786+02:002009-12-23T17:25:16.786+02:00Aaron, there are types of rumors in the sug of &qu...Aaron, there are types of rumors in the sug of "kala delo pasik" that according to halacha carry much more weight than just plain rumors.Eternal Jewish Fraud Watchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74410481950088819352009-12-23T17:23:42.689+02:002009-12-23T17:23:42.689+02:00There was not much need to do anything until recen...There was not much need to do anything until recently. Tropper was already kicked out of Or Sameach and was pretty much persona non grata everywhere he turned.<br /><br />All of sudden, when Tropper was swimming in million$ from Tom & Guma and wanted to throw some of the largesse in the direction of rabbis who were willing to approve his nonsense, he had a rabbinic following, who not surprisingly are very reluctant to part with the Tropper piggy bank.Eternal Jewish Fraud Watchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-26789263148997528732009-12-23T16:04:30.372+02:002009-12-23T16:04:30.372+02:00DT said:
but the halacha requires even such a per...DT said:<br /><br />but the halacha requires even such a person to be dealt with by at least banning him.<br /><br />Monsey Jew:<br />this ban is long overdue, many whom i have spoke to from Monsey agreeMonsey Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-59125557250225034222009-12-23T16:03:29.635+02:002009-12-23T16:03:29.635+02:00DT said:
I am only saying that even for those devo...DT said:<br />I am only saying that even for those devoted followers and associates who still claim there is no evidence against Tropper just rumors <br /><br />See Rav Stenbuchs teshuvos vol 5, basically he writes there the head of an instituion has the responsibilty to listen to rumors and to follow then up to clarify if they are true, one is not allowed to say innocent unitl proven and ignore the rumors.Aaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44303188618973663602009-12-23T16:01:40.217+02:002009-12-23T16:01:40.217+02:00"he has been known all the years by those in
..."he has been known all the years by those in<br />Monsey of being a menuval."<br /><br />These kind of comments really puzzle me. If this was known, why didn't anyone do anything until it was spread over the Internet?ephraimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38825118662115146602009-12-23T15:11:37.302+02:002009-12-23T15:11:37.302+02:00http://www.change.org/actions/view/shut_down_tropp...http://www.change.org/actions/view/shut_down_troppers_eternal_jewish_fraud_organizationShut down Tropper petitionhttp://www.change.org/actions/view/shut_down_troppers_eternal_jewish_fraud_organizationnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78210035904566365172009-12-23T15:06:38.572+02:002009-12-23T15:06:38.572+02:00Monsey Jew said...
Rabbi Eidensohon why are y...Monsey Jew said...<br /><br /> Rabbi Eidensohon why are you suggesting that tropper fits into this category, he has been known all the years by those in Monsey of being a menuval.<br />=================<br />I am only saying that even for those devoted followers and associates who still claim there is no evidence against Tropper just rumors - but the halacha requires even such a person to be dealt with by at least banning him. There is no justification for the deafening silence which exists at present.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57069776720183706982009-12-23T14:52:31.229+02:002009-12-23T14:52:31.229+02:00Rabbi Eidensohon why are you suggesting that tropp...Rabbi Eidensohon why are you suggesting that tropper fits into this category, he has been known all the years by those in Monsey of being a menuval.Monsey Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65515728146993800542009-12-23T13:03:28.242+02:002009-12-23T13:03:28.242+02:00The following post from "Frum Follies" i...The following post from "Frum Follies" is worthy of serious attention in the present context:<br /><br />"Cults, Kiruv, Conversion And Kanois: The Rise and Fall of Leib Troppper (Part I) (12/21/2009)<br /><br />Americans elected Barack Obama whose slogan was The Audacity Of Hope. The ultra orthodox word ceded enormous influence to Leib Tropper whose biography should be The Chutzpah of Kanois (The Audacity of Zealotry). By skillfully using his street cred as a zealot, generously spreading around money, and flattering leaders he got license to bully sincere opponents and exploit individuals.<br /><br />In the coming days and weeks I will write about the Tropper affair, but not about the details of his sexual misconduct. I am interested in answering the question: how could the rabbinical establishment have endorsed and given cover to this repulsive man? The answers involve a mixture of bribery, ignorance of the external world, hostility to the outside world, cowardice and blatant and habitual manipulation.<br /><br />[to read rest click above link]Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.com