tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post5022017814458439443..comments2024-03-19T10:06:55.071+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Is assisted martyrdom - desirable or is it murder?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5156144489259637012011-12-11T09:30:43.894+02:002011-12-11T09:30:43.894+02:00http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/201/Q3/http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/201/Q3/Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82207818807628881822011-12-11T07:17:16.726+02:002011-12-11T07:17:16.726+02:00Massada afaik is baloney made up for tourist purpo...Massada afaik is baloney made up for tourist purposes.tzoorbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48158394826292128832011-12-09T03:38:42.768+02:002011-12-09T03:38:42.768+02:00i gave a disclaimer re bsamim rosh.
nevertheless,...i gave a disclaimer re bsamim rosh.<br /><br />nevertheless, it is widely quoted. it is good torah reasoning. just (substantial) issues with authorship.MiMedinat HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64483729852308166612011-12-08T14:21:28.835+02:002011-12-08T14:21:28.835+02:00Rav Eidensohn, I agree.
Readers have repeatedly a...Rav Eidensohn, I agree.<br /><br />Readers have repeatedly asked UOJ to release the letters about R' Elchonon.<br /><br />What is the raid in seforim on the mass suicide at Masada by the way?Fact Checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5188183215028389992011-12-08T08:24:57.631+02:002011-12-08T08:24:57.631+02:00A link to r' Wasserman letter is here
htt...A link to r' Wasserman letter is here<br /><br /> http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/12/elchonon_wasserman_letter_about_yu.jpg<br /><br /> elchonon_wasserman_letter_about_yu.Mir Gangstanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24304757607374477422011-12-08T08:23:00.845+02:002011-12-08T08:23:00.845+02:00fact checker - until you produce the letter there ...fact checker - until you produce the letter there is no way of knowing whether your claim has any basisDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-10963069192819739102011-12-08T08:22:05.247+02:002011-12-08T08:22:05.247+02:00mir gangsta - your accusations against Rav Wasserm...mir gangsta - your accusations against Rav Wasserman are not supported by the letter.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19083568905888146572011-12-08T07:57:39.374+02:002011-12-08T07:57:39.374+02:00besamim rosh oh you mean the sefer that the Avnei ...besamim rosh oh you mean the sefer that the Avnei Nezer said its a Mitzvah to burn it on Yom Kippur that comes out on Shabbos seems to be a BAD SOURCEYUASKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859270654161319457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2487642104119165512011-12-08T06:13:04.704+02:002011-12-08T06:13:04.704+02:00UOJ claims to have letters in his family archive f...UOJ claims to have letters in his family archive from R' Shraga Feivel and another YTV rosh yeshiva who were furious at R' Elchonon. It's possible that the Agudah is aware of the documentation as they suppress many such things while making sure Artscroll publishes a politically correct version of things. Avi Shafran attacked UOJ specifically about the R' Elchonon thing which makes it even more suspicious as the Agudah usually ignores him. The Agudah also sent Ephraim Wachsmann to speak a few years ago to lecture us that may not listen to kisvei gedolim from any previous dor unless the current Agudah grants permission.<br /><br />The Besamim Rosh is choshud altz ziyuf.Fact Checkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32550624222669716482011-12-07T21:41:53.660+02:002011-12-07T21:41:53.660+02:00there is a tshuva in besamim rosh (actually, its t...there is a tshuva in besamim rosh (actually, its the only one that was not reprinted in the 1980 reprint) that allows suicide.<br /><br />historically, it was considered halachically permissible, till it turned out one town that did it (during the crusades), did it by mistake (presumably the case discussed in your third citation.)<br /><br />of course, the besamim rosh has its own issues. nevertheless, it is quoted all the time, with a disclaimer.<br /><br />2. there are "heterim" (?is that the right term?) to prevent torture, and in tzahal cases, to prevent disclosure of lifesaving (other's lives) information (by torture.)MiMedinat HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91897310187451587732011-12-07T19:15:59.096+02:002011-12-07T19:15:59.096+02:00According to some contemporary rabbis (UOJ) [Rabbi...According to some contemporary rabbis (UOJ) [Rabbi] Wasserman is a murderer for sending his students to die rather than saving them by accepting visas from YU and the Skokie Yeshiva. If he wants to die that all well but to make other people die for his own convictions.<br /><br /> He is still much better than the Satmar rebbi who forbidden his people to leave but he himself escapes (with the help of the Zionists) and let his people to dieMir Gangstanoreply@blogger.com