tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post4787976905781861174..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Lakewood Rabbis: Pikuach nefesh to save a Jewish child only if assailant is a Goy!Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6309205529525403722013-10-31T08:21:14.513+02:002013-10-31T08:21:14.513+02:00This post is clearly uninformed. The signs were in...This post is clearly uninformed. The signs were in reaction to a specific recurring danger. Several instances of children of various ages being lured by goyim occurred within a short period of time. The community needed to be made aware of the problem to be careful. It had nothing to do with abuse or reporting complaints of abuse in the frum community at all.<br /><br />Unfortunately we have also become so hypersensitive to the notorious "ABUSE" issue that we are prone to even becoming vigilantes, ever ready to raise the banner for "The victims" and ridicule anything that can be construed as anti victim. Full and clear information is no longer necessary before the excitement of exposing someone or better yet "Rabbis and Leaders" for their wrongdoings. Importanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17067412215074026864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34995621844240112532013-10-31T08:19:45.014+02:002013-10-31T08:19:45.014+02:00This post is clearly uninformed. The signs were in...This post is clearly uninformed. The signs were in reaction to a specific recurring danger. Several instances of children of various ages being lured by goyim occurred within a short period of time. The community needed to be made aware of the problem to be careful. It had nothing to do with abuse or reporting complaints of abuse in the frum community at all.<br /><br />Unfortunately we have also become so hypersensitive to the notorious "ABUSE" issue that we are prone to even becoming vigilantes, ever ready to raise the banner for "The victims" and ridicule anything that can be construed as anti victim. Total and clear information is no longer necessary before the excitement of exposing someone or better yet "Rabbis and Leaders" for their wrongdoings. Importanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17067412215074026864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8919508479025686852013-10-04T03:35:32.581+03:002013-10-04T03:35:32.581+03:00I believe it means 'reason to believe'.I believe it means 'reason to believe'.Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203181973109969019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14471285716509639222013-10-03T22:45:15.573+03:002013-10-03T22:45:15.573+03:00can someone kindly explain the term "raglayim...can someone kindly explain the term "raglayim b'davar" in English? I knwo it means if something has legs, but what it referring to exactly?<br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36799320826060275522013-10-03T21:40:50.255+03:002013-10-03T21:40:50.255+03:00Rav Elyashiv did NOT require, where there are ragl...Rav Elyashiv did NOT require, where there are raglayim l'davar, that a beis din be consulted. Her permits going directly to the police authorities. A Rav may have superior knowledge in halacha but not necessarily in commonsense and the ability of judgment in cases like these. Woe to one who abandons his commonsense when another Jew is at risk and places the onus of judgment upon a Rav.go direct to the policenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56003132138969965872013-10-03T14:16:05.988+03:002013-10-03T14:16:05.988+03:00Read my post directly on this issue here
http://d...Read my post directly on this issue here<br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-agudas-twisted-path-regarding-abuse.htmlDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55623602235192619282013-10-03T08:53:16.823+03:002013-10-03T08:53:16.823+03:00You can make the same argument on any rodef. what ...You can make the same argument on any rodef. what if the rodef is innocent of any wrongdoing? THAT is exactly the point of the laws of rodef i.e it is not our responibility to determine ultimate guilt or innocence through a judicial process when someone who is being chased is in immenent danger. Our responsibility, according to the Torah, is to save the person in danger who is being pursued!jwnjcdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759494982860303582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-67172203318966303092013-10-03T08:16:18.881+03:002013-10-03T08:16:18.881+03:00You know u r very funny how about the guy u r thro...You know u r very funny how about the guy u r throwing in jail and destroying his and family's life y is the guy who is allegedly abused have presidence u have to decide thru real daas Torah and not a blog this delicate situation.defending the accusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55279008180540621702013-10-03T06:41:30.795+03:002013-10-03T06:41:30.795+03:00Even with the 2nd letter alone they are contradict...Even with the 2nd letter alone they are contradicting themselves<br /><br />http://theunorthodoxjew.blogspot.com/2013/08/jews-for-money-shameless_8.html<br /><br />Heimishe landlords are renting houses all over Lakewood to extremely dangerous non-Jewish sex offenders on the State Police registry. But many of these landlords are wealthy and give money to the yeshiva so nothing is done about itLakewoodhttp://theunorthodoxjew.blogspot.com/2013/08/jews-for-money-shameless_8.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-31758063278371196952013-10-03T05:10:29.002+03:002013-10-03T05:10:29.002+03:00Not only Lakewood, and not only years ago...
http:...Not only Lakewood, and not only years ago...<br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/update-from-zephaniah-waks-major-rabbi.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81241215930930867172013-10-03T05:09:33.098+03:002013-10-03T05:09:33.098+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44162634177477139772013-10-03T04:19:49.244+03:002013-10-03T04:19:49.244+03:00There is a great follow-up to this post here...
h...There is a great follow-up to this post here...<br /><br />http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/lakewood-says-violate-shabbat-to-save-a-child-but-only-from-gentile-molesters/#more-5698concernedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725433166043905160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54988910345747307532013-10-03T01:12:39.176+03:002013-10-03T01:12:39.176+03:00This particular blog is homing in on the truth tha...This particular blog is homing in on the truth thanks to Rabbis' Eidensohn, leaving no wiggle room for those directing to sit on your hands beozlat yad, while OMED AL HADAM. They have no more legs to stand on. Indeed, SHEKER EIN LO RAGLAYIM. Lo motzu yadav veraglov beBeit haMidrash. They have exhausted all rhyme and reason in protecting perpetrators, and rodef the victims. It is not the Internet that is the problem, it is the notnim yad laposhim voting them to office in exchange for ESNAN and mechir lo yechratz KELEV lining their pockets at the expense of our neshamelach. Shmor li veEshmor loch. This is a sha'arurya of biblical proportions. We must return to the stadiums and moche bechol toikef. Save our children NOW!between a rock and a hard placenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-707008077412010762013-10-03T00:38:52.538+03:002013-10-03T00:38:52.538+03:00Observer - I love your comment. I never thought of...Observer - I love your comment. I never thought of the possibility that rabbis who say patently ridiculous piskei halacha on matters of pikuach nefesh such as child abuse, rachmana lezlan, could themselbes be considered like rodfeim. An important and spiritually shocking point they should consider but probably dont care enough to even give it a seconds thought in passing. Woe is to us that such people are considered rabbinic decisors and leaders!jwnjcdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759494982860303582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27574232374063652032013-10-02T23:38:45.989+03:002013-10-02T23:38:45.989+03:00it is inconceivable that the Torah would release a...it is inconceivable that the Torah would release a Jew from his responsibility to another who is in danger - to save him and to protect him. The Torah is not sub-rational. Is a Jew who can save another but doesn't because of a psak like this expected to continue to lead his life as before, casting off any feelings of responsibility onto the Rabbis? How is one to rationalize such a psak with his own reason and commonsense? Those who blindly and thoughtlessly accept such a psak must demand that the Rabbis themselves take action to protect their communities. Let the Rabbis themselves castrate or murder or imprison the rodef. If they don't then they too are rodfim. It's clear to me that these Rabbis don't want other Jews to act too independently. Their main issue is the power of the Rabbis. The psak is detestable and must be ignored by all who follow halacha. observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51225991405307835052013-10-02T23:04:07.765+03:002013-10-02T23:04:07.765+03:00They are tinokot she-nishbu, so the question remai...They are tinokot she-nishbu, so the question remains.<br />Also what about a shtarke Chabad meshichist with a yechi yarmulka or a kipa srugah who believes that the medinah will usher in Mashiach as soon as Yehuda and Shomron are built out, does mesirah apply to them?mikeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75672716507169263832013-10-02T21:04:56.761+03:002013-10-02T21:04:56.761+03:00And Lo Tirtzach was meant only for Bnei Noach and ...And Lo Tirtzach was meant only for Bnei Noach and goyim. Non frum e.g. even a yoshke, also needed 2 witnesses, and that's a whole different ball game. As far as tzaar balei chayim, even kappara or treifa chickens are also included. Hypothetically speaking, Talmud is full of reuven ben Yaakovs' and the rest of the shvatim as Z.B.'sShimon ben Yaakovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58545299468189986852013-10-02T20:38:41.368+03:002013-10-02T20:38:41.368+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.jwnjcdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759494982860303582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77294126656908089352013-10-02T19:05:06.806+03:002013-10-02T19:05:06.806+03:00I have satirized the Agudah position by claiming y...I have satirized the Agudah position by claiming you need to get psak from a rav before calling the police if a yid is chasing you down the street with a knife. http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/leading-rabbis-say-dont-call-911/Yerachmiel Lopinhttp://frumfollies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91969164175364781042013-10-02T19:00:04.951+03:002013-10-02T19:00:04.951+03:00Thank you. but I am not a rabbi. Thank you. but I am not a rabbi. Yerachmiel Lopinhttp://frumfollies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64806637885688871332013-10-02T17:38:02.429+03:002013-10-02T17:38:02.429+03:00Lakewood is not going by Rav Eliashiv's psak.Lakewood is not going by Rav Eliashiv's psak. Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85996824624445528602013-10-02T17:36:23.242+03:002013-10-02T17:36:23.242+03:00The Agudah's public pronouncement are not in a...The Agudah's public pronouncement are not in agreement with his written psak. Now you may have ruach hakodesh and know that his published teshuvos are not actually what he said - but until you bring proof to that assertion you have no ability to reject the written version.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-409865100664042352013-10-02T17:11:47.420+03:002013-10-02T17:11:47.420+03:00"hero," you are explaining why call the ..."hero," you are explaining why call the police at all. But the letter is not just saying to call the police, but to call the police ON SHABBOS. I.e., it's saying that there is an overriding concern of pikuach nefesh that allows one, on one's own estimation, to break shabbos in order to potentially catch a potential child abductor (and note that no consultation with a rav is required to determine whether there is, in fact, such a risk). I believe there was an actual case where a suspicious car was driving around and its occupant trying to lure kids with candy. the kids ran away and the parents called the police after shabbos. see http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2013/06/father-reports-attempted-luring-incident-in-westgate.html. This letter says the parents should have called on shabbos, even though their own children has escaped. So a parent is deemed competent to determine that a suspect who did not actually harm anyone (yet) poses such an imminent danger to others that the parent may break shabbos to report him, but not competent to determine that a suspect who has actually harmed children already poses enough of a danger to violate messirah. That is the difficulty to which this post points.emhttp://wikipedia.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39699744365611629812013-10-02T16:52:02.308+03:002013-10-02T16:52:02.308+03:00The Agudah's description of Rav Eliashev's...The Agudah's description of Rav Eliashev's psak is correct.J Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48746669783118651342013-10-02T16:26:15.558+03:002013-10-02T16:26:15.558+03:00In the Mishna "Harodef achar hazachar", ...In the Mishna "Harodef achar hazachar", where does it state to first consult a rabbi whether the Rodef is a qualified Rodef. The decision is up to the eyes of the beholders themselves, much more so, when time is of the essence, otherwise the Nirdaf is dead meat. If they are desperate for Raglayim ledovor, why don't they consult leiby H'Y'D, Deb from New S. R'L' may her soul rest in peace, my heart goes out for her, and all the Holocaust victims of Molesters. It is barur kashemesh they are bo'im al iskey nefoshos, vehem kelef alfei alofim eidim damya. If these ra bonim couldn't figure that out after all this, the bloody screams of all these Kinderlach testify that they are a Beis Din Katlonis bish'at nefesh. When you see an attack in hot pursuit against our innocent young, defenseless, weak, infirm, helpless, vulnerable children in harms way, you MUST rescue them in any which way you can, 'chad vecholok', even at the expense of the life of the RODEF, no questions asked. Lo Taamod al DAM reacha! So say the TRUE GEDOLEI HAPOSKIM.<br /><br /> OY VEY GEVALD, IN GESHRIEN!<br /><br />In Judaic law, LIFE- PIKUACH NEFESH, is given the utmost priority, "VACAHY BOHEM", even on the Holiest of the Holies be'etzem Yom Hakipurim. We The People, ask them all, Why are kinderlach not considered NEFESH? Why are they expendable? Why haven't you addressed the issue that our Kinderlach ARE in fact dying from these attacks, and WHAT have you done to prevent such? How many more leiby's need die C'Veshalom before going into action? "Vehismakartem sham, ve'ein koneh", "Korosi ve'ein oneh". Please, do something already, ki Dam achinu tzoakim elay min ha'adama! We cannot take this any more. Time IS of the essence.Klum ma asissa bishvil sheyichye bni?noreply@blogger.com