tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post471503019167863382..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Chabad - G-d focused or Rebbe focused?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49864712929553514752008-08-12T21:40:00.000+03:002008-08-12T21:40:00.000+03:00"I think they meant the tzaddik himself, not a pho..."I think they meant the tzaddik himself, not a photo." <BR/><BR/>The point is seeing the image of his face; of course seeing it in real life is better. But Chazal say, and Rashi brings it in pirusho al haTorah, that "dmus dyokno shel oviv"--the image of Yaakov's face--appeared in Yosef's mind when he was about to sin and saved him. Obviously, then, the powerful impact of the Tzadik's face is there even when he is not physically before a person. And obviously this image is much more real when physically seen that when merely imagined in one's mind's eye.<BR/><BR/>"if the Rebbe is Atzmus"<BR/><BR/>As has been explained repeatedly, the sicha is not saying that they are one and the same, ch"v, as the misnagdim choose to twist it, but that since the Tzadik is in a state of total bittul, Hashem is revealed *through* him.Yehoishophot Oliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906934928426540018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64051643397376838922008-08-12T14:53:00.000+03:002008-08-12T14:53:00.000+03:00> As for pictures of the Tzadik, there are many...> As for pictures of the Tzadik, there are many maamorei Chazal that speak about the holy impact of seeing the image of a Tzaddik.<BR/><BR/>I think they meant the tzaddik himself, not a photo.<BR/><BR/>Besides, if the Rebbe is Atzmus, is there a contradiction between being God centered or Rebbe focused when they're the same thing?<BR/><BR/>Maybe the Vilna Gaon was onto something when he took his stand...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63866162118067802632008-08-12T10:11:00.000+03:002008-08-12T10:11:00.000+03:00I feel that it is a chiyuv for me, as someone who ...I feel that it is a chiyuv for me, as someone who is a lubavitcher & has learn in lubavitcher yishivos to make this point: it is unfortunately true that there are some lubavitchers that have become rebbe centered instead of G-d centered, but most lubavitchers are not like that. It is true that to the outsider it might not look like that because of the numerous posters etc. but is important to remember: those who spend there time hanging up posters etc. are usually kalei hadas who are the one's who become rebbe centered. The normal lubavitcher who is not like that spends his time learning & daveneing, pluss being mekarev yiden to torah & mitzvos.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10490361576469108625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83630093713054740842008-08-12T09:07:00.000+03:002008-08-12T09:07:00.000+03:00Daniel Eidensohn is nothing more than a partisan r...Daniel Eidensohn is nothing more than a partisan rosho masquerading as an honest researcher. His carefully framed 'innocent questions' remind one of the "keitzad measrin es hateven" style research. I thought it fair to give the man a chance to show his colors, and he has. He'll print any and every unsubstantiated lie about Chabad and / or the Rebbe, but he will refuse to post simple comments or refutations to the lies he promotes. I seriously doubt whether a dishonest wannabe like Eidensohn will last very long in the blogsphere - too many people will see him for the dreck he is much sooner than he thinks. Some free advive to you, Dannyboy, go back to the yeshiva/hate factory you came from, the limelight is not for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37167026004116041882008-08-12T04:44:00.000+03:002008-08-12T04:44:00.000+03:00"the Lubavitcher rebbe says that Jews should keep ..."the Lubavitcher rebbe says that Jews should keep various mitzvos are an obvious case in point."<BR/><BR/>Obviously, the point of the ads was to inform people that the Rebbe sent a message that certain specific messages are recommended; funny how you twist that.<BR/><BR/>"The rebbe told him to stay in Telz and learn normal Torah."<BR/><BR/>so this is an exact quote, huh?!<BR/><BR/>As for the grossly offensive title of the thread (so much for respect and "even-handedness"): "G-d focused or Rebbe focused", the concept of hiskashrus is that through the focus on connecting to the Tzaddik, one's Rebbe, one is inspired by him to serve Hashem in all areas, until mesiras nefesh, as we see in the case of Chasidei Chabad in their mesiras nefesh throughout the generations, notably under communist Russia and in the Shluchim who go to remote places today. <BR/><BR/>As for pictures of the Tzadik, there are many maamorei Chazal that speak about the holy impact of seeing the image of a Tzaddik. Do you doubt this? If so, I'm happy to quote sources.Yehoishophot Oliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906934928426540018noreply@blogger.com