tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post4619694651524623945..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Zohar was not originally in the form we have todayDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38932809427851423582019-08-06T16:51:31.247+03:002019-08-06T16:51:31.247+03:00Niqqud was invented by the Masoretes, around 800c...Niqqud was invented by the Masoretes, around 800ce. Even the square Hebrew letters we have now were not Hebrew in the time of ancient Israel. In 1st temple, they used different script. So the magic power of the Aramaic script is totally absurd.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63611745890327752242019-08-06T14:48:22.070+03:002019-08-06T14:48:22.070+03:00Shoteh! Klal yisrael had not heard of it, until it...Shoteh! Klal yisrael had not heard of it, until it was published in 1233 or whenever.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-69014871837690442602019-08-06T13:14:10.046+03:002019-08-06T13:14:10.046+03:00Noda bYehuda ban: http://kotzkblog.blogspot.com/2...Noda bYehuda ban: http://kotzkblog.blogspot.com/2018/06/181-why-did-noda-biyehudah-ban-study-of.html?m=1Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-8493463459765746632019-08-06T12:58:42.685+03:002019-08-06T12:58:42.685+03:00There are plenty of reasons. There are references ...There are plenty of reasons. There are references in the Zohar to concepts (such as the names of the nekudos) that did not exist at the time of the tanna'im or amora'im.Yehoshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57217662586161014942019-08-06T12:57:54.311+03:002019-08-06T12:57:54.311+03:00Bible codes are nonsense. We do not know what the ...Bible codes are nonsense. We do not know what the correct text of the Chumash is on the letter level.Yehoshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7037526453336887052019-08-06T12:18:16.717+03:002019-08-06T12:18:16.717+03:00Vilna gaon wasn't Moses, he didn't go to S...Vilna gaon wasn't Moses, he didn't go to Sinai. He is a relatively late figure, an acharon. <br />Judaism did not begin 200 years ago.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73762730507575991502019-08-06T12:16:35.461+03:002019-08-06T12:16:35.461+03:00Shatz? As I said, Yaakov emden, chatam sofer, and ...Shatz? As I said, Yaakov emden, chatam sofer, and also noda beyehuda had opposed kabbalah. <br />It was not known before it was disseminated by Moshe Deleon, so how could it have been accepted?Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48022546164015696252019-08-06T03:43:33.237+03:002019-08-06T03:43:33.237+03:00ApikoresApikoresBerelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53821121179696444472019-08-06T03:29:38.338+03:002019-08-06T03:29:38.338+03:00plenty of legitimate reasons - Rav Yaakov Emden di...plenty of legitimate reasons - Rav Yaakov Emden didn't accept it its totality, and neither the Chatam Sofer. It didn't exist in the time of the Rambam, or at least tehr eis no evidence that it did exist. Rashi did not know about it, or at least there is no evidence that suggests he did.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2598523971138888892019-08-06T02:58:15.090+03:002019-08-06T02:58:15.090+03:00The Vilna Gaon accepted the validity of the Zohar ...The Vilna Gaon accepted the validity of the Zohar as did The Baal Shem <br />Tov. There is no legitimate reason to question the validity of the Holy <br />Zohar. At most one can reasearch how and why it came be be accepted as <br />is.Berelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42954990989580099322019-08-06T02:56:49.329+03:002019-08-06T02:56:49.329+03:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwX9B1DISMchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwX9B1DISMcBerelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79179021641195957082019-02-15T00:50:21.957+02:002019-02-15T00:50:21.957+02:00There is no chain of transmission - it was a revea...There is no chain of transmission - it was a revealed, ie hitherto unknown. Had it been known, it would not have been secret.Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27769885361528558552019-02-15T00:49:03.821+02:002019-02-15T00:49:03.821+02:00"What matters is that the entirety of the Jew..."What matters is that the entirety of the Jewish people accepted the Zohar."<br />That is not proof of its veracity. Firstly, the entirety if the Jewish people did not accept it - not even the orthodox, let alone non orthodox.<br />Second, and more fundamentally - if the entire group of a people accept something it does not make it ipso facto true. In the Tenach, there is a statement that only 7000 people didn't bend the knee to Baal. So more or less, the entirety of the people did accept Baal. How does that make Baal true?Kalonymus Anonymusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57544831616535792872013-05-21T14:26:17.518+03:002013-05-21T14:26:17.518+03:00Rav Kaduri you mean? Other than a Lubavitch websi...Rav Kaduri you mean? Other than a Lubavitch website where have you ever seen that he supported the Lubavitcher Rebbe, most especially that he supported his messianic claim?<br /><br />Whenever anyone asked Rav Kaduri about the Lubavitcher Rebbe being Mashiach he would answer, "The Mashiach will be young, strong and healthy." <br />Considering the Lubavitcher Rebbe was old, and had already had a stroke when he started making his messianic claim, most of his students understood this to be a derekh eretz way of him saying that the late Lubavitcher Rebbe was wrong.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75779471602944997042013-05-21T12:42:11.487+03:002013-05-21T12:42:11.487+03:00This seems to be an old post which I didn't pa...This seems to be an old post which I didn't pay much attention to.<br />A lot of talk about pre-messianic kabbala here. But there is nothign new to this claim. There was a lot of messianic and mystical speculation in the days of Yashke, Bar Kuziba, Shabbetai Zvi, and most recently the Lubavitcher rebbe.<br />Now since you gentlemen speak very highly of R Kaduru, perhaps you can explain his supprot for the false mesianic pretensions of R Schneersohn, whose cult has become a new form of christianity, with a hard core who hold him to be also a god.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14665360719281248242013-05-21T10:10:57.489+03:002013-05-21T10:10:57.489+03:00Necromancy is assur min hatorah.
Not on this thre...Necromancy is assur min hatorah.<br /><br />Not on this thread no. The discussion moved to another thread. If you really need I can document hear kabbalistic works going back to the Tannaim/Amoraim. Though since the Gemarrah was composed by the Geonim, I see no need to go further back than that with Kabbalah.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29561326124832696512013-05-21T02:40:48.601+03:002013-05-21T02:40:48.601+03:00@RabbiMichaelTzadok
You still haven't explain...@RabbiMichaelTzadok<br /><br />You still haven't explained who these people are and how we are justified using them to make a "mesorah-chain" back to the Geonim. They didn't exist!Historiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42858426276214433762013-05-21T02:34:51.956+03:002013-05-21T02:34:51.956+03:00Who is Chamai Gaon? Never heard of him...Who is Chamai Gaon? Never heard of him...Historiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20597196902375675732013-01-15T08:07:55.319+02:002013-01-15T08:07:55.319+02:00And even the Chasam Sofer was still able to accept...And even the Chasam Sofer was still able to accept that R' Yaakov Emden was right about the Zohar's late editing and some portions being completely pseudoepigraphical, if you understand his hint in the middle of teshuva 52 in Chelek 6 of Shu"t Ch"S. Or was in 59? I'm pretty sure it's nun-beis. Check it out, v'du"k. VERY interesting. To understand the hint you have to know that "Mitpachas Seforim" was RYE's sefer whose whole point was textual criticism of the Zohar. BTW this is a refutation to those who say that RYE's opinion is a "Daas Yochid," which is obviously not true, anyways.O.G.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-76468079360410299932013-01-15T08:01:11.020+02:002013-01-15T08:01:11.020+02:00See teshuvos haBach, yeshanos, #5 if I recall corr...See teshuvos haBach, yeshanos, #5 if I recall correctly. He does condemn the person he is referring to as someone who should be put in cherem. Again, I don't have the teshuva in front of me at the moment to verify the exact words. One should also take note that the person he was writing about "made fun of" Kabbalah, he didn't "merely" dispute the validity of the Zohar on grounds of logic. Evaluate for yourself. Also cherem is not the same as no chelek, but again, I forget the exact words.O.G.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-72106521901308331182013-01-14T20:01:37.553+02:002013-01-14T20:01:37.553+02:00I also think that if these books supported the bel...<i>I also think that if these books supported the beliefs of the masters of kabbalah, the kabbalists would have already been swift to promulgate them in Israel, which they have not done. </i> They have promulgated them. Shiur Komah, the Heikhalot, Midrash Konan these were the bread and butter of the early Mekubalim.<br /><br />Abulafia built his entire system on those works, and what he considered to be the Kabbalah of the Rambam(don't laugh until you have read his books). <br /><br />So this seems to be a polemic that honestly doesn't hold up to actual facts of one who has read the books and their Geonic commentaries.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45130429757302931522013-01-14T19:48:47.170+02:002013-01-14T19:48:47.170+02:00Already did, on several occasions here. See no re...Already did, on several occasions here. See no reason for doing so again.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30147134912858367362013-01-14T19:47:12.471+02:002013-01-14T19:47:12.471+02:00It's not about authorship, it's about auth...It's not about authorship, it's about authority and validity. Authorship is a very different debate. <br /><br />We are certain that Ravinah and Rav Ashi didn't write the Gemarra. In fact there is ample evidence that Rav Sherrira Gaon did, despite his letter saying that it was Ravina and Rav Ashi.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttp://mekubal.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60171192339312630992013-01-14T18:20:17.877+02:002013-01-14T18:20:17.877+02:00If that is the case you shouldn't have trouble...If that is the case you shouldn't have trouble producing a string citation of several prominent teshuvot from many different generations. Benignumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14481598559584840950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34909058322189035832013-01-14T18:16:32.409+02:002013-01-14T18:16:32.409+02:00Really?
Can you give me a citation to teshuvah b...Really? <br /><br />Can you give me a citation to teshuvah by any prominent posek that held that an individual who denies holds that Rashbi did not author the Zohar is a literal apikorus without a share in the world to come, whom we would let die if he were in dire straits?<br /><br />The difference between an individual and a group is that a group poses a threat to the general body of the Jewish people. A lone person who has a mistaken belief doesn't pose the same threat and there is no need for extra strong language or overly-strict stances.Benignumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14481598559584840950noreply@blogger.com