tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post4535409307068752025..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Arab Muslim - commentatorDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19387956709853321392009-02-04T08:08:00.000+02:002009-02-04T08:08:00.000+02:00Check out the 3 oaths thread.Check out the 3 oaths thread.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9050954227375324812009-02-03T10:25:00.000+02:002009-02-03T10:25:00.000+02:00There is no need to mention more than the fact tha...There is no need to mention more than the fact that it is not mentioned in the Shulchan Aruch and in the Rambam. It was never considered halachah until the Satmar Rebbe wrote his sefer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15447655082015865972009-02-03T09:14:00.000+02:002009-02-03T09:14:00.000+02:00Check out the thread dedicated to the 3 oaths.Check out the thread dedicated to the 3 oaths.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5661249700207224332009-02-03T04:19:00.000+02:002009-02-03T04:19:00.000+02:00How come nobody has answered Tzipschum's simple an...How come nobody has answered Tzipschum's simple and important question?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7318827481336235462009-02-02T06:50:00.000+02:002009-02-02T06:50:00.000+02:00Please name specifically which sefarim, title, aut...Please name specifically which sefarim, title, author and page say that the Three Oaths are not to be considered. <BR/><BR/>Check out the post about the 3 oaths and all the sefarim, authors are readily available.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40596686243246539932009-02-01T13:03:00.000+02:002009-02-01T13:03:00.000+02:00Anyone reading your above comments can only conclu...<I>Anyone reading your above comments can only conclude that your heart is full of hatred of your brethren Jews.</I><BR/>Not me.Baruchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08051421355654178857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71861747013799813292009-02-01T02:56:00.000+02:002009-02-01T02:56:00.000+02:00And the hatred perpetuated by all his anti-Zionist...And the hatred perpetuated by all his anti-Zionistic rhetoric is fine in your books? Clearly you do not know or want to realize the implications of the Rebbes words. Besides my point was that you should elaborate on your statement that I am “maliciously wrong” regarding Satmar. I see that you like to make grand statements without bringing any support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91594465234428522532009-02-01T01:47:00.000+02:002009-02-01T01:47:00.000+02:00Elaborate? Anyone reading your above comments can ...Elaborate? Anyone reading your above comments can only conclude that your heart is full of hatred of your brethren Jews.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03498359571316417341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56578098917794813892009-01-31T00:05:00.000+02:002009-01-31T00:05:00.000+02:00YWN- Care to elaborate. Here we go again, anyone w...YWN- Care to elaborate. Here we go again, anyone who disagrees with Satmar is of the derech. I am sure that you know very little about Satmar Rebbes history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2085818296635187822009-01-30T06:26:00.000+02:002009-01-30T06:26:00.000+02:00Baruch: You sound like one of those "off-the-derec...Baruch: You sound like one of those "off-the-derech" chevra. Aside from simply being maliciously wrong about Satmar (on every point you mentioned about them), it is clear you have an inferiority complex and have hate in your heart.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03498359571316417341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90185511592451603442009-01-29T17:42:00.000+02:002009-01-29T17:42:00.000+02:00“If even Satmar, normal Satmar, not the Ahmenijad ...“If even Satmar, normal Satmar, not the Ahmenijad hugging holocaust denying Neutari Karta nuts”<BR/>What people don’t want to realize is that the NK follows the Satmar shita more so than the regular Satmar Chassid. The NK has many supporters in Satmar and even receives money from them and would not exist without them. So the blame for the NK's actions rest squarely on the Satmar Rebbe. I know that people are going to argue that the rebbe threw these characters out so how can you blame him? For those who know his history this is not an argument. The Rebbe threw out other people but they somehow managed to come back. So the answer to this argument is why did all these kanoim always congregate around him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41955758928119419082009-01-29T10:13:00.000+02:002009-01-29T10:13:00.000+02:00Joseph - As I mentioned you are living in fantasy ...Joseph - As I mentioned you are living in fantasy land, and you have nothing to answer as can be noticed from your response. Satmar ratio-wise more than any other Chassidus is imploding. There are many yungerliet who learnt in their Yeshivah system and barely look Chassidshe anymore. The fact that R’ Aharon has to turn to the Belzer system to keep his Chassidim in check is proof that I am correct. Anyone who knows the Satmer Rebbes history has little respect for him. No doubt that those who were affected by his heavy handedness hold even less of him. You can say what you want but I am part of his system and I know it better than you. Satmar needs machlokas to survive and that is what’s doing them in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65669717944566950302009-01-29T09:54:00.000+02:002009-01-29T09:54:00.000+02:00Jersey Girl Said"Anti-zionism includes all of Char...Jersey Girl Said<BR/><B>"Anti-zionism includes all of Chareidi Judaism" and a sizable chunk of Mizrahi Jews as well.</B><BR/><BR/><B>Basically, it is everyone whose extended families have not intermarried with Christians (fictitious and valueless conversions or not) and come under the influence of macho European Crusader theology.</B><BR/><BR/>This is quite possibly the most insulting thing you have ever said on this forum. Really you seem to feel the need to impinge on the Yichut of every Gerrer Rebbe since the Imrei Emes(5 in total) and all their Chassidim. As well as people such as R' Ovadiah Yosef, The Belzer Rav, the Bobover Rav, R' Shlomo Amar, R' Mordechai Eliyahu, R' Moshe Tzadakah, R' S.Z. Auerbach, R' Eliashiv, R' Aryeh Levine Z"L, Mori R' Yitchak Kaduri Z"L and the lists goes on of Gedolim. As well as millions of Chareidim.<BR/><BR/>If even Satmar, normal Satmar, not the Ahmenijad hugging holocaust denying Neutari Karta nuts, are so against the State of Israel, why do they keep founding communities here? Why are they citizens here? Why do they collect Bituach Leumi, and not work, but only learn? Why do they accept government funding for their schools and Yeshivot?<BR/><BR/>At best the argument over the Jewish State is a Machloket Gedolim. No doubt you dug up all of your bile on various anti-Zionist websites. Please do us all a favor and go get a psak from any of your Anti-Zionist Rabbanim about whether one is allowed to use the internet, or if that is also Kafira, right up there with being pro-Israel. My guess is that we would not be hearing from you again.<BR/><BR/>Please spare us your Lashon Hara and your X-fileseque stories.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6731920377229540122009-01-29T03:11:00.000+02:002009-01-29T03:11:00.000+02:00Baruch, You are entirely clueless about Chasidim, ...Baruch, <BR/><BR/>You are entirely clueless about Chasidim, Chareidim, and Satmar. I live and interact daily with all of them daily and your comments have no basis in reality.<BR/><BR/>Now you may go on and continue to hock in chinik. Feel free to have the last word, if you'd like.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66296122597090056462009-01-28T18:27:00.000+02:002009-01-28T18:27:00.000+02:00Joseph – You are living in fantasy land. Your inf...Joseph – You are living in fantasy land. Your infatuation with Satmar probably stems from the fact that his shita correlates with yours. The fact is that the respect for Satmar has diminished tremendously over the years. In Eretz Yisroel even more so, since most Chasidim there, never cared for him at all (I am sure you don’t know the real reason why he left Eretz Yisroel for America). With the Charedim in America Satmar controlled the press and that is why it’s taking longer for his stature to diminish. I know Satmar politics very well as I live together with them. I am sure you can’t say the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47639443622072063462009-01-28T04:01:00.000+02:002009-01-28T04:01:00.000+02:00It died, as the tzaddikim long predicted it would....It died, as the tzaddikim long predicted it would.<BR/><BR/>Satmar is, and always has, been growing by leaps and bounds. And you have no idea about Chasidus clearly. Take a walk down any Boro Park or Williamsburg street and ask the randon Chasid about the Satmar Rebbe (as I have), and they will respond in great awe for all the Torah and Yiddishkeit the Rebbe has built.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6711272631853505082009-01-27T19:43:00.000+02:002009-01-27T19:43:00.000+02:00“Zionism has died” exactly my point. Satmar needed...“Zionism has died” exactly my point. Satmar needed Zionism more than the land needed Zionism itself. A Chassidus built on machlokas needs a common enemy. Since the time of the end of Zionism Satmar has no common enemy. Therefore they turned on themselves. It is historical revisionism to say that Satamr built anything in America. The fact is he came later than all rabbanim and found America already starting to thrive in yidishkeit. Most non-Satmar who know the Satmar Rebbes history would not have kind words for him. The fact is he took many Chassidim away from their original Chassidus. <BR/>I will add that the RZ are still keeping Zionism alive. <BR/><BR/>Anyway I don’t see the point of your argument. The NK’s main support stems from Satmar and Satmar for all proposes has died as well. As I mentioned previously there is a tremendous amount of attrition in Satmar. Clearly it is because of their lack of real Torah values. Thiers is a Chasiddus built on the wrong values. The fact is that R’ Aharon Teitlbaum is using Belz as a benchmark and not his great uncles shitos because they are dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35912662071951659472009-01-27T02:57:00.000+02:002009-01-27T02:57:00.000+02:00Zionism has died. I'm not sure what we're arguing ...Zionism has died. I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. Even the last symbolic vestige of what was Zionism - the State itself - the remaining Zionists (in name only) are slowly but surely giving away the land.<BR/><BR/>I don't know who built "Chasidus" in post-war America (probably the Satmar Rebbe as well [with Satmar being the largest Chasidus - as well as the largest growing), but the Satmar Rebbe - and Rav Ahron Kotler - built Torah and Yiddishkeit in post-war America into what it is today. <BR/><BR/>If you ever walk up to any random Chasid (as I've done often) - and not even a Satmar Chasid - they are in awe of the "heilige Satmar Rebbe ZTV'L."Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40139951057290345122009-01-26T18:19:00.000+02:002009-01-26T18:19:00.000+02:00To write that the Satmar Rebbe built Chasiddus int...To write that the Satmar Rebbe built Chasiddus into what it is today is to redact history. But I understand you it is easy to believe the Stamar propaganda machine. The only thing Satmar did was that Chasiddim can wear Strimelach, which would have happened without him. There is one thing that Stamar being the benchmark of frumkeit did build that is much of the machlokas that is happening today by Chasiddim can be chalked-up to Satmar. It is the biggest challenge to chinuch as can be noticed from the attrition that is happening in Satmar today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44583935511919086092009-01-26T10:34:00.000+02:002009-01-26T10:34:00.000+02:00Life of MK Rabbi Avraham Ravitz z"l proves that on...<B>Life of MK Rabbi Avraham Ravitz z"l proves that one can be both a loyal Torah Jew and a good citizen of Israel.</B><BR/><BR/>As reported by VosIzNeias.com from Jpost.com:<BR/><BR/>"<A HREF="http://www.vosizneias.com/26305/2009/01/25/jerusalem-degel-hatorah-leader-rabbi-avraham-ravitz-passes-away/" REL="nofollow">Jerusalem - Degel Hatorah Leader Rabbi Avraham Ravitz Passes Away</A><BR/><BR/>Published on: January 25th, 2009 at 11:46 PM<BR/><BR/>Jerusalem - MK Rabbi Avraham Ravitz (United Torah Judaism) passed away overnight Sunday, succumbing to an illness which had him hospitalized at Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital since the beginning of January. <BR/><BR/>Ravitz, 74, who had served in the Knesset for 21 years, had held a number of positions during that time, among them deputy housing minister, deputy education minister, deputy welfare minister, and chairman of the Knesset Finance Committee. In November 2008, he announced that he would not be seeking reelection in the Febuary 2009, and would be retiring from politics. <BR/><BR/><B>Prior to his career as an MK, he was the head of a Yishiva. He had also served in both <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces" REL="nofollow">the IDF</A>, and the pre-independence <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)" REL="nofollow">Lehi militia</A>.</B> <BR/><BR/>Ravitz, who lived in Jerusalem, was hospitalized after losing consciousness in his house at the beginning of the month. He is survived by his wife, 12 children, and 77 grandchildren. <BR/><BR/>His funeral will begin at his house in the capital at 1:00 p.m. on Monday."<BR/><BR/>Boruch Dayan Ha'Emes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13576555822245242132009-01-26T10:05:00.000+02:002009-01-26T10:05:00.000+02:00Dear Joseph: So far I am trying to avoid getting ...Dear Joseph: So far I am trying to avoid getting into personal insults with you. I am trying to maintain a dignified tone. You may make your points like a mentsch and feel free to refute my arguments without resort to insults and barbs, and I will try to do the same. This is a polite request.<BR/><BR/>You make sweeping accusations and insults against me and you go off on your tangents, thinking you are "attacking" me when you are just making a series of statements that are not addressed to any of my points or arguments in an orderly or logical manner.<BR/><BR/>You also tend to raise the level of emotionalism which is never good for rational, civilized and cultured debate. Are you capable of a mature, non-polemical, non-prejudiced discussion (all we have here are just discussions by the way) a free flow of ideas and presentation. There is no official dogma or party line that anyone is sworn to adhere to or to swear allegiance to in order to be accepted.<BR/><BR/>So could you please have the courtesy to go back and point out to which <I>specific</I> points and sentences and ideas you disagree with or that you think that are wrong and not just make pointless sweeping remarks against me personally that don't achieve anything really, byond making you feel good. Try having fun with a pet or child instead.<BR/><BR/>Can you do this? I am waiting for an answer please, from what you will write, and I will draw my conclusions about you accordingly, but don't count on me taking on the kind of lines or tone that you do towards me. I am still giving you the benefit of the doubt that you wish to have discussions (not just yell at me in ra-ra-ra fashion or from the peanut gallery) in good faith and will you respect your fellow bloggers as you would wish to be respected yourself. Do NOT personalaize issues and arguments. try to retain and maintain an air of cordilaity and give and take. Remember: This is not a jihad, it is just a simple blog! <BR/><BR/>Thank you in advance for your consideration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28909416717305154902009-01-26T05:03:00.000+02:002009-01-26T05:03:00.000+02:00Jersey Girl - You are so twisted it is laughable. ...Jersey Girl - You are so twisted it is laughable. If you were to ask any Gerer, Belzer or Viznits Chassid who he believes is more erlich a Stamarer Chassid or a religious Zionist there is no doubt that they would say that most of the religious Zionist are frummer. You simply do not know the Chassideshe world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21769009627186981002009-01-26T04:48:00.000+02:002009-01-26T04:48:00.000+02:00The Satmar Rebbe ZTV'L (and Rav Ahron Kotler ZTV'L...The Satmar Rebbe ZTV'L (and Rav Ahron Kotler ZTV'L) made Torah in America into what it is today. The Satmer Rebbe built Chasidus Satmar from the perhaps 10 survivors from Satmar, into the biggest Chasidus in the world. This anyone calls a tremendous success.<BR/><BR/>Machlokes? We are in golus. You've seen them, most unfortunately, in Ponoviz, Chaim Berlin, Satmar, Lubavitch, etc. etc. Do you recall what happened to the students of RABBI AKIVA? We are in golus, and machlokes nebech strikes even the best of us.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407460404034430042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52984839077407943872009-01-25T22:30:00.000+02:002009-01-25T22:30:00.000+02:00"Anti-zionism includes all of Chareidi Judaism" an..."Anti-zionism includes all of Chareidi Judaism" and a sizable chunk of Mizrahi Jews as well. <BR/><BR/>Basically, it is everyone whose extended families have not intermarried with Christians (fictitious and valueless conversions or not) and come under the influence of macho European Crusader theology. <BR/><BR/>The Takana (which was recently also adopted by the Meshadi community) does not only protect our bloodline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35081029543587633172009-01-25T18:41:00.000+02:002009-01-25T18:41:00.000+02:00I will not get into this dated anti-Zionist argume...I will not get into this dated anti-Zionist argument. I am also not giving the Zionist right. However, my point was that Rabbi Wiessmandel’s main argument is incorrect, so don’t cite Perfidy as proof to anything. <BR/> <BR/>Regarding the three oaths, the first to make a halachic issue out of this matter was the Satmar rebbe. His arguments are easily refutable. Moreover, his model of yiddishkeit is a disaster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com