tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post4370561749855786268..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: YWN posts a seriously flawed translation of MK Gafni claiming he said that those who work are not ChareidiDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71906922303521193092015-01-30T15:37:32.030+02:002015-01-30T15:37:32.030+02:00I've concluded that HONESTY is a bully or bloc...<em>I've concluded that HONESTY is a bully or blockhead.</em> <br /><br />Now, there. You begin your disagreement with a persons line-of-reasoning by baselessly attacking his character. Neat. Why did you feel the need for this? Are you trying to bully me to shut up?<br /><br />As to the topic at hand, Rabbi Eidensohn answered you well. Either you have statistics or you don't. And quite clearly, you don't. Lets not forget the specific number of 30% that was thrown out. Are you comparing to this to a real, verifiable study that AAA performed?<br /><br />And yes, your personal attack on me, as well as Chareidim, does seem to stem from hate.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48945497618295941302015-01-28T23:21:24.561+02:002015-01-28T23:21:24.561+02:00@Yoni - you are not answering the question. You ar...@Yoni - you are not answering the question. You are assuming that only a single variable - medical tests - determines death rate. But that is simply not so.<br /><br />If someone claims that frum Jews have a lower life expectancy etc - then we don't need for pilpul to justify the statement. Either there are statistics that show this or there are not.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75124018461175098352015-01-28T22:06:16.409+02:002015-01-28T22:06:16.409+02:00After reading all comments, I've concluded tha...After reading all comments, I've concluded that HONESTY is a bully or blockhead. <br /> AAA magazine states, "INJURIES & FATALITIES increase in severity when driver or passenger is not wearing a seat belt". I have been told by HONESTY that statement is hate, slander and sources,facts, statistics, graphs are needed to access accuracy. Where did the accidnent occur? What is the name of the driver? make of the car? What was the speed or weather conditions? Who decided what are injuries and how severe they are???? <br /><br />Similiar statistics are reported in medical reports and journals that 'the lack of preventive detection exams for Cancer will reduce a person's life span". IS THAT SPANISH??? Pretty straight-forward to me....is that not straight-forward to you. Not sure what is bothering you here. If there are a group of people that do not particpate in certain preventive care - then......Yoninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-47134384778037250872015-01-28T13:29:21.662+02:002015-01-28T13:29:21.662+02:00If u contact me privately will give u the name of ...<em>If u contact me privately will give u the name of the head nurse at Betar.</em><br /><br /><br />What is this, some sort of joke? You lied, and are not man enough to stand up to it. <br /><br /><br />Again, please cite a reliable and verifiable source confirming your false claims about disease and lifespan. You made the claim publicly, now either show your proof or back down. Offering me the names of a "head nurse" in Beitar, or a head apple eater in India, has absolutely no relevance. We need reliable and verifiable proof to a 30% higher rate and shorter lifespan. These are disgusting lies.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44284030387038589062015-01-28T05:58:49.133+02:002015-01-28T05:58:49.133+02:00I said alleged, and did not present these claims a...<em>I said alleged, and did not present these claims as fact.</em><br /><br /><br />So why did you bother, if not to slander Chareidim? Please be a man and delete your slander.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29905052166727429682015-01-28T01:35:59.005+02:002015-01-28T01:35:59.005+02:00Who is this "well known dr/ surgeon at Sloan ...Who is this "well known dr/ surgeon at Sloan Ketering" who made this claim? Is his/her name a secret? Why?<br /><br />Or do you perhaps not know the name? Are you simply repeating some gossip without being sure of the facts?kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2180415720643483672015-01-28T00:47:08.683+02:002015-01-28T00:47:08.683+02:00So using the word "alleged" give you lic...So using the word "alleged" give you license to spew out any hateful slander?Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65276690851855301562015-01-28T00:10:44.202+02:002015-01-28T00:10:44.202+02:00Lets stick to the topic at hand.
Please provide ...Lets stick to the topic at hand.<br /><br /><br />Please provide a reliable, <strong>verifiable</strong> source or study that claims that Chareidi women "have higher death rates from both this terrible disease" and have the "shortest lifespan in Israel". Please be honest, you have no reliable source. Neither does Eddie, as he admitted that its only "alleged".<br />http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2015/01/ywn-posts-seriously-flawed-translation.html#comment-1820167627<br /><br /><br /><br />Again, please stay on topic and provide a source. Either put up some evidence, or shut out your hate.<br /><br /><br />If you don't like a particular doctors procedures then, by all means, don't use them. However, don't make ridiculous and fictitious claims about a supposed higher rate of disease. Don't take a steep leap of faith in order to slander people and rant off hate-filled rhetoric.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91723785798734894912015-01-27T23:02:36.592+02:002015-01-27T23:02:36.592+02:00You are reading & reacting in what ever way yo...You are reading & reacting in what ever way you decide. There is zero slander or hate posted. <br /><br />Facts are facts, check out well known ob/gyn in Bet Shemesh named Dr. L. Bublitzky, who does not display any of the normal female procedures since it is offensive to many female patients. Quite frankly, there is no goose chase at all, MK LITZMAN medical innovations or lack of are known & so is the Geula clinic. Call them & make inquiries in stead of absolving yourself with sources, sources, facts, facts. Ask any resident of Betar - where she can get a Pap smear or mammogram. This is not slander, there are many women who are not interested in these procedures in NY, NJ or Israel. <br /><br />Yet any oncologist (or do u want names??? Read the bulletins in lobby at Sloan) ... Cancer can be prevented with precautionary acts of colonoscopy, mammograms, blood tests, prostate testing, sonograms, Pap smears, etc. Hope this is not hate-filled or slander against Sloan or oncologists....stanley schumskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2085772022362567962015-01-27T21:54:28.722+02:002015-01-27T21:54:28.722+02:00I said alleged, and did not present these claims a...I said alleged, and did not present these claims as fact.<br />I also said that i wish them long and healthy lives, is that part of my alleged hate?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77296670750649782702015-01-27T18:36:47.430+02:002015-01-27T18:36:47.430+02:00Huh?
Again. Please cite names and sources. You, ...Huh?<br /><br /><br />Again. Please cite names and sources. You, Eddie and Harry were not stingy on words when it can to make these incredulous and slanderous claims. Now, when it comes to citing reliable names and sources, you seek to send me on a wild goose hunting exhibition. Please be a bit more generous on your sources and more stingy on slander and hate.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63679817336338866712015-01-27T18:05:03.982+02:002015-01-27T18:05:03.982+02:00I used to ignore it too, b/c it originated as a pe...I used to ignore it too, b/c it originated as a pejorative intended to brand ordinary frum Jews as fanatics. But unfortuantely, it has become the common coin ...kishkeyumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23538207770722079442015-01-27T16:27:59.068+02:002015-01-27T16:27:59.068+02:00Plus read the main reason Charedi women used for s...Plus read the main reason Charedi women used for starting a political party - MK LITZMAN ex health minister "does not service Charedi women"...stanley schumskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68929260305057536102015-01-27T16:26:05.303+02:002015-01-27T16:26:05.303+02:00Easy to check on the Women's clinic of Geulah ...Easy to check on the Women's clinic of Geulah & services available and Katamon women's clinic normal, regular & yearly procedures recommended to safeguard breast & cervical Cancers.stanley schumskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54454886458025178292015-01-27T16:23:48.565+02:002015-01-27T16:23:48.565+02:00If u contact me privately will give u the name of ...If u contact me privately will give u the name of the head nurse at Betar.stanley schumskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41204677880556792302015-01-27T15:50:27.074+02:002015-01-27T15:50:27.074+02:00I generally do not use the adjective "chareid...I generally do not use the adjective "chareidi" because it is misleading. It originated in Eretz Yisroel as a way to describe those who followed the Eidah HaChareidis as opposed to the Rabanut. But it has evolved, and has come to mean basically anyone who is not Modern Orthodox/Religious Zionist. But then it is simply the generic, default, traditional manner of being frum. And by using a brand name for the generic you are giving the impression that it is not the generic.<br /><br />Chareidim do not follow any specific teachings of any specific Rebbi, nor do they believe in any specific values not already in the Torah. Chasidim follow the specific teachings of the Baal Shem Tov and his disciples; Telzers follow the teachings and Minhagim of the Telzer Yeshiva; the Mussar movement was started by Rav Yisroel Salanter - but "Chareidi"? There was no beginning to "Chareidism" except on Har Sinai; no particular person whose teachings they follow except Moshe Rabbeinu, and no particular Minhagim they perform.<br /><br />So there really is no such thing as a "Chareidi." Those who people refer to as "Chareidim" have mostly never referred to themselves as such - in America you can go to Yeshiva from Kindergarten through Kollel and you will most probably never hear "we are Chareidi," and you may even never hear the term used at all.<br /><br />And because words matter - it's a strange thing but people often tend to form impressions of reality based on words and phrases rather than creating words and phrases that reflect reality - I do not use the term "Chareidi" because by giving generic, default Judaism a label it conceals the fact that this Judaism is in fact the generic and default.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75415223671144102612015-01-27T15:49:04.981+02:002015-01-27T15:49:04.981+02:00None exist. He invented his false medical claims o...None exist. He invented his false medical claims out of the whole of cloth.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-81187789396503509462015-01-27T03:59:27.468+02:002015-01-27T03:59:27.468+02:00Ten Questions about the term "Charedi"
...<b>Ten Questions about the term "Charedi"<br /><br />1. Who invented this term "Charedi" and why did he/they do it?<br /><br />2. How long has it been in common use?<br /><br />3. Who decides who is Charedi or not?<br /><br />4. Is there any Sefer or Torah or Halachic source that defines the label "Charedi" that EVERYONE can see and agree on?<br /><br />5. Is it any better than the term "Ultra-Orthodox" that it supposedly replaces?<br /><br />6. What makes any Jew "Charedi" or not?<br /><br />7. Is there only one type of "Charedi" or are there multiple types?<br /><br />8. Does anyone or any group have the monopoly or exclusive rights to use this term?<br /><br />9. Confusingly, because the term "Charedi" is freely used by both secular people as a pejorative and religious Jews as a proud label, who is right and how do the usages of the term differ and how is it the same?<br /><br />8. Is this term really needed now or should it be dumped on the trash-heap of Jewish history because it is useless, like the Fascist term "aryan" or the Communist term "comrade", and causes more divisiveness than true Jewish unity?</b>RaP_Commentarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15469136133478831642015-01-27T02:03:32.007+02:002015-01-27T02:03:32.007+02:00HM corrected his post when he verified the mistran...HM corrected his post when he verified the mistranslation.<br /><br />You can't hold that against him.<br /><br />He's not from NY; doesn't know that the assembly speaker was known to be corrupt for years; its only the details that came out now.<br /><br />The breast cancer issue is more complicated than a superficial post. He covered it pretty well.<br /><br />Anotexia, he pointed out today, affects all segments of jewish society; non jewish, too. You can't argue with that, or the effect it has on all segments of the orthodox community.MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17564626335387433772015-01-27T01:58:24.077+02:002015-01-27T01:58:24.077+02:00Names,names,names. Please provide them.
Sources, s...Names,names,names. Please provide them.<br />Sources, sources, sources. Please provide them.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63687758166195133002015-01-26T23:48:40.700+02:002015-01-26T23:48:40.700+02:00A well known dr/ surgeon at Sloan Ketering has sta...A well known dr/ surgeon at Sloan Ketering has stated & wrote in medical journals regarding certain cancers that are rampart in the Jewish community, so that may stand as some proof.<br /><br />A women's clinic in Geulah was not able to administer pap smears, breast exams or sonograms so they relocated. The head nurse at medical clinic in Betar is NOT allowed to give out booklets, diagrams, medical info about Pap smears or any breast exam precautions so EDDIE does not sound so ridiculous or ludicrous.stanley schumskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77692177835869021922015-01-26T22:46:08.094+02:002015-01-26T22:46:08.094+02:00Truth is not an "inconvenience" for Harr...Truth is not an "inconvenience" for Harry - it's not even on his radar. He's too dimwitted to notice it and his readership is too focused on swallowing the hate he feeds them to care. <br />The only way Harry can get away with claiming that he's not anti-haredi is because he doesn't reserve his hatred and slander only for haredim but spreads it liberally around other parts of the Jewish nation. In reality, he's a sad little nobody that no one in or out of Chicago paid attention to until the internet was invented and he took to blogging. In the fine city of Chicago he's still a nobody. It's only to his online audience that he holds any fascination and that's because they're thrilled to find someone to validate their own distaste for haredim.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-25399895134356224672015-01-26T19:08:18.060+02:002015-01-26T19:08:18.060+02:00There is an interesting comment on Harry’s post on...There is an interesting comment on Harry’s post on this issue:<br /><br />E the P stated (in part) “Gafni said two things. (1) The definition of a Chareidi is someone who obeys the Gedolim. Period. It has nothing to do with working or learning (2) However, the Gedolim have determined that the only valuable concern politically is the future of the real, full time, Lomdei Torah.<br /><br />Therefore, if you are a Chareidi that works, you still should vote for this party, NOT because they will fight for your needs personally (they will not) but because you should be willing to sacrifice your personal needs for the needs of real Lomdei Torah, as per the opinion of the Gedolim.”Moshe Ahronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7843883137992149712015-01-26T18:50:48.156+02:002015-01-26T18:50:48.156+02:00Thank you for your reply. Please re-read your post...Thank you for your reply. Please re-read your post. You do not bring even a shred of evidence to your assertions. <br /><br />1) Please cite a reliable and verifiable source for your assertion. Please include names. <br /><br />Your side-swipe slander of the Satmer rebbe is dully noted. <br /><br />2) The link you provide is a notably anti-Chareidi hit-piece. She parenthetically makes her false claim. Of course, she does not provide any proof to her lie that Chareidi women have shorter lifespans. As you say, you need a properly documented study to suggest such an absurdity. She does not even quote one doctor or research student. Her parenthesis is as reliable as a Failed Messia claim.<br /><br />Incidentally, I find the criticism of the Hamevaser newspaper to be absolutely ludacrest. Think about it. The purpose of the march in France was to say that we respect a private newspaper to do as they wish. We need not agree, nor purchase their publication, but they have the right to be as ridicules as they would like to be. Comes along a small paper in Israel who does what they feel like doing in their report of the <strong>free press march</strong>. All of a sudden we forget their right to be as "offensive" as they would like to be and we criticize them all over the world for what they wrote in their paper. How insanely ironic! <br /><br />Whats next, condemning Charlie Hebdo? <br /><br /><br />Again, please cite reliable sources, Eddie! Also, please allow logic overcome your disgusting hate.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24796763251870748892015-01-26T16:06:15.554+02:002015-01-26T16:06:15.554+02:00I have a few rants of my own, but i will give the ...I have a few rants of my own, but i will give the benefit of the doubt on whether the reported sources are accurate or not, as there is a good deal of misleading information.<br /><br />1) It is alleged that Gedolim have told french jews not to make aliyah, as if to out-do the Satmar rebbe, they are claiming that 50% of these Olim would be intermarried. If such statements are made, they are highly mistaken. the intermarried jews are the last ones who would move to israel, since they do not go to shul or kosher stores and are not at risk in Europe or USA.<br /><br />2) it is alleged in this story http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/vanishing-women/ that haredi women are less aware of testing for breast cancer, and have higher death rates from both this terrible disease, Rachmono l'eitzlan, and overall have the shortest lifespans in Israel. If these allegations are well founded (requiring verification), then it is a sad story. the Torah gives us an obligation to care for our health, even to be mechalel Shabbat in case of a safek sakanah to life. <br /><br />it is also ironic that Hagaon R' Hertz, ztl, the Chief rabbi of Great Britannia a century ago, writes in his commentary to the Chumash, that women who go to the mikve have lower rates of cervical cancers than those who do not. A professor of medicine said that the mikve in itself is not the cause of this low incidence, but the behaviour associated with it, ie having no contact with men before or outside of marriage, since that terrible disease is transmitted sexually.<br />If good behaviour can be associated with keeping mitzvot, then so can bad behaviour. Bad behaviour includes not taking care of oneself and preventing / treating diseases. What i am saying is in no way an atatck on hareidim. On the contrary, i want to see that hareid men and women enjoy long lives, and not be relegated to shorter lifespans if they can influence this.Eddienoreply@blogger.com