tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post3857673202071918754..comments2024-03-29T09:34:59.827+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Weberman trial: Satmar Rebbe's denunciation of accuserDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1640715133322880552012-12-25T18:32:54.460+02:002012-12-25T18:32:54.460+02:00The Rebbe isn't shocked that a jew went to cou...The Rebbe isn't shocked that a jew went to court against a jew. He is shocked that according to the gossip a jew(ess) sinned in znus. This is what he claimed was unheard of until this time. Seemingly, Rebbes don't get the news reports.I believenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17884302613685217862012-12-12T07:33:09.333+02:002012-12-12T07:33:09.333+02:00Mi K'amcha Yisroel? Exactly. We are supposed t...Mi K'amcha Yisroel? Exactly. We are supposed to be a light unto the other nations. We cannot even deal with famiies in crisis, children in need. We look down on each other and pass judgements. We just finished with the klop called Sandy, external devastation never experienced on such a magnitude. Now we have internal devastation. It is a blot on all of us, not just Satmar.Cyndihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086278059328513504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38579618812516984932012-12-11T19:42:29.512+02:002012-12-11T19:42:29.512+02:00why do you call yourself "secular Jew"?why do you call yourself "secular Jew"?Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61676690196826536742012-12-11T19:31:01.983+02:002012-12-11T19:31:01.983+02:00"In short he is calling the victim a zona.&qu..."In short he is calling the victim a zona."<br /><br />The author of this is revealing his contempt for basic matters of justice, by referring to the girl (whose name should be given, under the Constitutional ban on anonymous accusations) as a "victim" rather than as an "accuser". I think it illustrates the author simply assumed her story true, which amounts to the position of an accused being guilty until proved Innocent. For shame!Secular Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35398268530777089152012-12-09T14:02:43.798+02:002012-12-09T14:02:43.798+02:00ANONYMOUS COMMENTS WILL NOT BE POSTED!
please use ...ANONYMOUS COMMENTS WILL NOT BE POSTED!<br />please use either your real name or a pseudonym.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-48980492388835961932012-12-06T23:05:32.073+02:002012-12-06T23:05:32.073+02:00Years ago I spoke with a Jewish NYC police lieuten...Years ago I spoke with a Jewish NYC police lieutenant about Mondrowitz. He asked me the following question: "This man was caught time and again in Yeshivas molesting children. He then went to another Yeshiva and got a job with children whom he molested again. This happened time and again. Why did the Yeshivas who knew he molested children not inform the other Yeshivas about this?" The good officer then asked, "Don't you care about your children?"<br /><br /> But he got it all wrong. Of course the rebbes and the Rosh Yeshivas care about the children, but the main thing is that the children should live in an environment where nobody knows about certain things. Let's keep the rape quiet. Now, that is the modern Daas Torah! By the way, I am a Talmid of Reb Shalom Schwadron who told me, "A Yeshiva is Haschoso." I asked a living Gadole about this and he agreed. The Torah system in the Haredi world produces frustrations that lead to sickness which is then covered up. I work with Gittin and family and you aint see nothin yet. This new Torah is completely treifeh, such as the Agudah Gedolim openly backing gays in Washington DC regarding hate crimes. I asked the leading Rosh Yeshivas why they did this and they replied, "We are against hate." It doesn't say that in my Torah. In my Torah it says that those who fight the Torah must be fought, not helped. (Unless, of course, you need money for Yeshivas and Hassidic communities...)Dovid Eidensohnhttp://getamarriage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85996970321406892592012-12-06T15:01:17.972+02:002012-12-06T15:01:17.972+02:00I am glad to hear that Satmar thinks Weberman shou...I am glad to hear that Satmar thinks Weberman should rot in jail if he is guilty. However it is obvious that they don't think that it is possible that he is guilty.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9123789303535957282012-12-06T14:57:28.360+02:002012-12-06T14:57:28.360+02:00Assuming you truly understood the words of the Reb...Assuming you truly understood the words of the Rebbe - why didn't his chassidim understand it that way? If his chassidim misunderstood his message - why doesn't he saying more directly?Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71053780034091436952012-12-06T14:55:27.277+02:002012-12-06T14:55:27.277+02:00You are claiming he is deliberately blurring his w...You are claiming he is deliberately blurring his words so that it could be read either way - but that his followers understood it as an attack contrary to what Danny and Moshe Aaron are claiming below?Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40480306329213339942012-12-06T14:42:08.141+02:002012-12-06T14:42:08.141+02:00Again, I am shocked by the poor truth-finding skil...Again, I am shocked by the poor truth-finding skills of grand rebbes...<br /><br />At least, he should understand that he does not know the truth...Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90975281105492198402012-12-06T14:41:04.867+02:002012-12-06T14:41:04.867+02:00so why would satmar day schools pray for Weberman ...so why would satmar day schools pray for Weberman as a victim of Alila, false accusations? Remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34555751279895763592012-12-06T14:17:47.565+02:002012-12-06T14:17:47.565+02:00H"kazona? What the rebbi said was that the vi...H"kazona? What the rebbi said was that the victim was made into a zona , a prostitute and a villian and its a shamefull act. The rebbi clearly supports the victim and not Weberman Moshe aron kestenbaum,williamsburghttp://moshearonkestenbaum.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36206521454169215502012-12-06T06:19:11.229+02:002012-12-06T06:19:11.229+02:00Here we have a guy sitting in another country blog...Here we have a guy sitting in another country blogging all day in the name of the those same gedolim who are against the internet. Hears things second and third hand and decides what people said or meant. Then demands proof that his interpertation is not correct.<br />Were you at the drooshe? Do you know what the day's issues are in the Satmar community? Do you really think that Satmar is preoccupied with this 'idiotic' trial?<br />They all agree that if its true he should rot in jail - and thats pretty much what he said in spite of the fact that the rabble-rousers claim otherwise. Danny! you so wrong!http://satmar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16203407605225237082012-12-06T01:27:07.701+02:002012-12-06T01:27:07.701+02:00Rabbi Eidensohn, I agree with your reading of the ...Rabbi Eidensohn, I agree with your reading of the text as an insult aimed at the victim. Frankly, the context of his talk was universal Satmar rejection of mesirah and lamentation over the threat of a long sentence. Nothing in his speech suggested that he felt a Jewish girl was victimized. Nothing suggested concern about the tragedy of Jewish children being molested. Finally there was no context for the quote other than the parshah. <br /><br />In addition, Aron Teitelbaum is recurrently fulminating about yeridos hadoros with particular reference to the younger generation. So that is another reason to think he was putting down the victim. He was explicit about her lack of religiosity. In his book her recent portrayal of herself as modern orthodox does not count as good. He defined the parents as good by reference to wearing caftans and streimels. <br /><br />All told it sounds like the classic slut attack on a victim in chasidish style. I do not know a single chasidic supporter of the victim who read it any other way. He was devious enough to sustain plausible deniability with outsiders not confident enough about their understanding of the text.<br /><br />Something very funny happened after it was put out for circulation. It was alternately posted and pulled several times in a row over a period of a few hours. That happened once before when he told his chasidim to use the internet to confirm his claim about weather in the area he prefers for growing his matzah wheat. <br /><br />They knew they had a hot potato and finally decided to go with slurring the victim. He fully earned the criticism and the demonstration that followed.<br /><br />Yerachmiel Lopinhttp://frumfollies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-69363914737991261582012-12-06T00:37:59.591+02:002012-12-06T00:37:59.591+02:00A principal of the Satmar school was put on the st...A principal of the Satmar school was put on the stand to deny any collusion with the vaad hatznius. He even claimed there was no vaad hatznius and he did not know those words except as terms in a dictionary. Everyone in Williamsburg knows he is lying. Rachmuna Litzlon (Ari Mandel) ridiculed that claim on Twitter and Facebook. One of Weberman’s supporters challenged him to provide their address and phone number. Of course we all know that the vaad is a shadowy entity with no official listing, but most everyone in hasidic Williamsburg can name its activists. Ari’s witty reply was “1 (800) MAFIA-11.” He also posted on FaceBook a copy of a KJ vaad hatznius letter to a parent telling him his kids could no longer attend Satmar schools because he shaved his beard. I am sure similar letters will surface for Williamsburg and other compelling evidence that there is a vaad hatznius in Williamsburg and that he has worked with them in deciding whether to expel kids or refer them into "therapy."<br /><br />He perjured himself under oath. It is a chillul hashem. It shows blatant contempt for the intelligence of the DA, the courts, and the public. Yerachmiel Lopinhttp://frumfollies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-91978535811841817882012-12-06T00:24:27.730+02:002012-12-06T00:24:27.730+02:00Might suggest that he can read the tea leaves and ...Might suggest that he can read the tea leaves and anticipates a conviction. Status is nice to deflect charges, but even as they defend him they are trying to diminish the potential damage of a conviction.<br /><br />Over the last week I have been following all his tweets and have exchanged a few hundred frustrating ones with him. I do not say this lightly but here I go: he is an obfuscating dishonest PR hack. His goal is to deflect attention from the main question. Many of his tweets are attempts to change the topic. Others are attempts to put the other side on the defensive again to change the topic. If the newspapers had denied him the title of rabbi he might have turned on a dime and complained about that. Others working with him (based on echoing and cross messaging) have been impersonating Oren Yaniv with various similar tweet accounts. As each gets shut down another pops up. Why Oren. Because he is a Daily News reporter who can use his smart phone to tweet from the court room and he is the single best impartial source of real-time reporting of the trial as it unfolds. The real one is @OrenNYDN not mispelled Oran or with the O replaced with a zero. I have maintained a master listing of my key postings and updates at the top of my blog (frumfollies.wordpress.com). I have the names of a few other good tweeters and other relevant links.Yerachmiel Lopinhttp://frumfollies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-69288804581831171862012-12-06T00:14:20.665+02:002012-12-06T00:14:20.665+02:00Observer II is correct that the earlier episode in...Observer II is correct that the earlier episode involved someone other than the husband. Many of us danced at their very chasidish chasene in Brooklyn in October. <br /><br />BTW, people have a way of jumping from sex contact of any sort to intercourse so with abuse they jump to the word rape. It is not clear to me that there was a statuatory rape charge. But there was some sort of charge involving sexual contact.Yerachmiel Lopinhttp://frumfollies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-35880059116135068202012-12-05T20:04:20.512+02:002012-12-05T20:04:20.512+02:00http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/weber...http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/weberman-suspected-sexual-assault-testify-article-1.1213602?localLinksEnabled=false<br /><br />the school principal feuerwerger confirmed that victim's family had to pay over $ 12'000 up front at the start of the school year for Weberman counceling...remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27400729014921437632012-12-05T20:02:46.901+02:002012-12-05T20:02:46.901+02:00could you provide a full record of the speech, so ...could you provide a full record of the speech, so that we could hear the part where he quotes Weberman and says he is sheygetz.<br /><br />One of the organisers of a Satmar-dinner on this Motzaei Shabbat (where supporters of the victims held a protest) said on tv that the satmar rebbe had spoken strictly about education and that he had made no allusion whatsoever to the trial...<br /><br />http://landing.newsinc.com/wpix/video.html?freewheel=91044&sitesection=wpix_loc_590&VID=23907946remarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21982411201841056112012-12-05T19:22:31.549+02:002012-12-05T19:22:31.549+02:00Could you provide any evidence that anyone beside ...Could you provide any evidence that anyone beside you understood him to be saying that? Did Weberman's supporters announce that they changed their minds? Are there any public notices or items in newspapers indicating a reversal of the masses? If you can't provide any tangible evidence of your assertion - then we will continue believing that the Rebbe in fact supports Weberman and denounced the accuser.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19539620556965998582012-12-05T19:13:52.682+02:002012-12-05T19:13:52.682+02:00As I'm an insider, I see that noone here knows...As I'm an insider, I see that noone here knows what's going on. Enough said.observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57168726981014855102012-12-05T17:55:50.234+02:002012-12-05T17:55:50.234+02:00This is mind boggling.
Ask any person in BP, Will...This is mind boggling.<br /><br />Ask any person in BP, Willi, Flatbush or any other yiddish speaking community: "What did the 'Rebbe" say?<br />The answer is: 'Er hut g'ret vaigen Vebermaan voos faar ah shaigetz er iz'.<br /><br />So the false message from these ignorant and biased activists, looking to promote a non-existing situation<br />is obvious and just shows how they hate Chassiidim and hareidi Jews at large. <br /><br />Just remember. The 'Rebbe' was talking to his followers in the language that they understand. They understood it just as he wanted them to understand it, and that was AGAINST Weberman NOT against the victim. hijacking the Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79987106070001639522012-12-05T12:35:34.574+02:002012-12-05T12:35:34.574+02:00To tzoorba, continued...
--And yes, sure, one can...To tzoorba, continued...<br /><br />--And yes, sure, one can cite all sorts of chazals about how Moshe Rabbeinu and Dovid HaMelech killed mordim, and how a moser should be treated (forgetting that both Moshe and Dovid were first taught to be humble SHEPHERDS and take care of shepselach), but that too will not win them points in Western civilization in a democratic society and a democratic environment -- and NOT like the old model of Eastern European of Czars, Kaisers, tyrants, demagogues, dictators -- which they think they need to emulate in a false longing for the type of "rule of law" that was actually a ruthless system that crushed opponents that will just not work in modern day America, Israel and Britain, and is a big reason why so many rabbis are running afoul of the established legal and judicial system in America, Israel and the UK that gives equal rights to the weak to women and to children.<br /><br />Aron Schechter and Aron Teitelbaum even though both are American-born yet they are both caught in a time warp were they see themselves and function like tyrants for life. They do NOT face democratic elections. They are in power for life. They answer to no one but themselves. No one can impeach them. No one can criticize them. They are the worst sort of leader, a combination of a spiritual and temporal overlord, as if one would weld the power and position of a pope with the power and influence of an absolute monarch or dictator, who can do and act as he pleases. Thus people FEAR them as if they were Mafia godfathers and they "can do no wrong" they are to be viewed as literally "god encased in a body" as in the Tanya's teachings of a "tzadik" but in this case, they are very shvache tzadikim with clay feet and emperors with no clothes as they support miscreants like Hersh and Weberman and support attacks against powerless teenage weaklings.<br /><br />Where is the kiruv rechokim??? Where is the ahavas Yisroel??? Where is the rachmonus and mercy for the "yasom and almona"??? No wonder such a system is crumbling in front of our eyes as so many abandon it in so many ways, even if they keep the levush so many yeshiva people and chasidim see through the cynicism and hypocrisy and power plays and it cannot last.<br /><br />Eventually all rebbes and rosh yeshivas will be put out of commission and told to leave klal Yisroel alone by the true Mashiach who will come riding in on a simple chamor. He will be very quiet until he is revealed. He will not be mistreating the weak. He will punish abusers. There will be no more monkey-business. Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-552769123981959262012-12-05T12:35:02.479+02:002012-12-05T12:35:02.479+02:00"tzoorba said...Even though these 2 rabbonim ..."tzoorba said...Even though these 2 rabbonim may be examples of people who are mistaken it is too sweeping to condemn all Rosh Yeshivas and all Rebbes."<br /><br />But the trouble is that these are two of the most prominent and powerful leading examples of a rosh yeshiva (Aron Schechter -- who acts like a rebbe) and Aron Teitelbaum (who acts like a big lamden) that dominate the yeshiva and chasidic world in America. Is there a more powerfil rosh yeshiva in America today than Aron Schechter and is there a more powerful rebbe in America today than Aron Teitelbaum? So they are at the top of the Charedi pyramid and reflect everyone else since everyone dances to their pipers' tunes and no one dares to defy them. If anything too many silly people try to imitate and mimic them.<br /><br />Thus when they act in a manner that defies simple fairness and human decency by picking on powerless and weak victims, by backing their own egoistical and megalomaniacal manipulative ABUSIVE followers like Hersh and Weberman against teenagers struggling with their <i>sturm und drang</i> adolescence and sexual identity and personal struggles, and the adult abusers fragrantly do as they please because they known "big daddy" Schechter or Teitelbaum will always back them up no matter what, they therefore lose their right to be leaders of the weak and powerless and voiceless and instead take on the mantle of MESAYEI'AH LIDVAR AVEIRAH (by assisting the bullying abusers instead of the bullied victims) acting exactly like dictators and tyrants as they slip into a mode of behavior befitting totalitarians and not that of Jewish leaders. Recipients and Publicitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20295419819665307882012-12-05T12:09:56.422+02:002012-12-05T12:09:56.422+02:00This issue is fast becoming one where those who tr...This issue is fast becoming one where those who try to be Metaher the Temeim become Tomei themselves. One caveat though: they fail to be metaher anyone in their folly based processes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com