tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post3176021729692752824..comments2024-03-28T02:08:17.990+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Chillul HaShem:Failure to punish that which is viewed as sinful by non-Jews/ RoshDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70168548924287042232009-11-25T05:14:25.530+02:002009-11-25T05:14:25.530+02:00The problem had nothing to do with belief systems;...The problem had nothing to do with belief systems; there is no question that he blasphemed against <i>our</i> God, whom the witnesses had just blessed, not against the Moslem one. As for whether the two are are the same, that's irrelevant to this topic; the issue would be the same either way.<br /><br />The only difference between Al-**h and Ha-**l that matters here is that the former is not a sheim but a kinnuy, and therefore he was not technically chayav missa, but this beis din wanted to execute him anyway lemigdar milsa.Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-1793890880448931732009-11-25T01:43:44.775+02:002009-11-25T01:43:44.775+02:00How do you know that A-llah and HaKeil are differe...How do you know that A-llah and HaKeil are different? They are cognate words of the same origin, (al I-llah vs ha+Keil) both referring to a Single G-d who is Creator and Ruler.<br /><br />Certainly if we hyphenate a word which when capitalized was coined to refer to the trinitarian god, A-llah is far more likely to be an issue.<br /><br />The problem wasn't the word itself, it was the implication about which belief system went along with it.<br /><br />-michamicha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73377342417577646762009-11-24T23:51:28.191+02:002009-11-24T23:51:28.191+02:00Monsey Tzadik, you've got it backwards. From ...Monsey Tzadik, you've got it backwards. From the testimony it seems that what he said was (using Chazal's euphemism) "yakeh Yussuf et Yossi", and "had I not prayed to Him [Hashem, i.e. had I not been a Jew] this would not have happened to me". One question raised was whether "Yussuf" is the same as "Yossi".Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43967871520670072122009-11-24T23:36:49.785+02:002009-11-24T23:36:49.785+02:00No, they are considering executing him because &qu...No, they are considering executing him because "'Baruch' [belashon sagi nahor] A***h" is the <i>same</i> as "'Baruch' Hashem". Even though according to the strict halacha they are not the same, they wish to treat them as the same "lemigdar milsa".Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52337473612298317252009-11-24T16:01:20.810+02:002009-11-24T16:01:20.810+02:00So they are considering executing the person becau...So they are considering executing the person because it said 'Baruch Allah' instead of 'Baruch Hashem', or he said "if I prayed to him (Allah?, Christ?) it would not happend to me " moslem country)<br /><br />in any case it reminds me the Monty Python's Life of Brian movie<br /><br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/quotesthe Monsey Tzadiknoreply@blogger.com