tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post259308294138439752..comments2024-03-29T06:06:58.796+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Towards a Working Theory of American Gadolim in the Post-truth EraDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66624383841747184412018-08-20T19:38:20.700+03:002018-08-20T19:38:20.700+03:00Can a pilegesh be non Jewish? Or shifchah, or eved...Can a pilegesh be non Jewish? Or shifchah, or eved canaanit?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-87986931293424291492018-08-14T16:46:51.916+03:002018-08-14T16:46:51.916+03:00That doesn't address my point that once you op...That doesn't address my point that once you open the door to pilegesh, you only need up open the door a little wider to have polygamy. Both pilegesh with monogamy and pilegesh with polygamy fall within the came justifiable parameters of Halacha. If Rabbi A opens the door to pilegesh with monogamy, it doesn't take much more for Rabbi B to open the door and little wider to pilegesh with polygamy.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-41529478528574002222018-08-14T11:25:53.584+03:002018-08-14T11:25:53.584+03:00Rambam forbids it, as far as i recall.
My game? ...Rambam forbids it, as far as i recall.<br /><br /><br />My game? Sorry, i should have been clearer. there is no kiddushin or gittin, ie you cannot have a pilegesh ketuba which will be validated by 2 witnesses. And there is no gett required either, again, so there cannot be a get me'usa in regards to a pilegesh. I should say there is an absence of the intricacies of halacha that apply to kiddushin.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-69119509215537435642018-08-14T11:08:57.223+03:002018-08-14T11:08:57.223+03:00The door of rampant immorality in regard to Halach...The door of rampant immorality in regard to Halachos of family.<br /><br />Rabbi Eidensohn are aware of two women who are in a Pilegesh marriage. One in Eretz Yisrael.<br /><br />The other, in America, was married twice and divorced twice. She had difficulty getting a Get both times. She wasn't going to put herself through that again. Her Rabbi suggested she become a Pilegesh. She did. And now there four Kosher children who might not otherwise have been born save for her becoming a Pilegesh.Joseph Orlowhttp://www.journalinginamerica.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80011841658099030852018-08-14T10:49:57.444+03:002018-08-14T10:49:57.444+03:00Which door has been open for awhile?
Just who are...Which door has been open for awhile?<br /><br />Just who are these Shomer Mitzvos Jews who will be building these types of families with a pilegesh?Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16856355460501835582018-08-14T09:05:51.725+03:002018-08-14T09:05:51.725+03:00Door's been open for awhile without Pilegesh. ...Door's been open for awhile without Pilegesh. I don't think there's going to be a flood of pent up desire cascading into polygamy on a massive scale. Just who are these Shomer Mitzvos Jews who will be building these types of families you hypothesize about?Joseph Orlowhttp://www.journalinginamerica.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-64096400594786118372018-08-14T09:02:45.786+03:002018-08-14T09:02:45.786+03:00Ok. Now make a point.Ok. Now make a point.Joseph Orlowhttp://www.journalinginamerica.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-6689820316975919462018-08-14T09:01:31.255+03:002018-08-14T09:01:31.255+03:00Man, what is your game? Gemora. Rambam. Ramban. Sh...Man, what is your game? Gemora. Rambam. Ramban. Shulchan Aruch and commentaries there. Yaavetz. What is your definition of Halacha that excludes these sources? You spout nonsense.Joseph Orlowhttp://www.journalinginamerica.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83717734582469484552018-08-14T07:50:22.373+03:002018-08-14T07:50:22.373+03:00I agree “True Gadolim can be challenged. The daugh...I agree “True Gadolim can be challenged. The daughters of Tzlapchod challenged Moshe. Respectfully, with great deference, asking but not demanding -- yet, still with all that, challenging. And that is because G-d Himself can be challenged, as Avrohom challenged G-d regarding the Five Cities.”<br />I say we have to challenge NYS civil law similarly. I heard at a rally some 50 years ago Rabbi Lookstein, the son, say that the wife got a NYS civil divorce, so the man must now give his wife a get… We have to change NYS civil law to make the focus on preventing adultery of the 10 commandments, particularly keeping “A man takes a wife and possesses her. She fails to please him because he finds something obnoxious about her, and he writes her a bill of divorcement, hands it to her, and sends her away from his house; she leaves his household and becomes the wife of another man” (Deuteronomy 24:1-2).<br />Angry wives today are vicious/mean to their husbands in state divorce laws, e.g. “In another case, he refused all applications by the father even though he was the custodial parent. He then jailed the father for failing to follow an oral order and caused his savings to be placed into escrow for many years – ruining him in the process.”<br />See https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/22599<br />“They called her mean and “disruptive.” Nobody liked her around the White House. Nobody trusted her. Sure enough she went around snooping and secretly recording everybody. Why Trump picked her out of obscurity in the first place, and then gave her all these chances, is anybody’s guess. He must be kicking himself…Chuck Todd gave her the fullness of half an hour to vent her hatred of Trump. He never asked her, why the switch? She used to adore Trump. Well she did while she had her job in the White House. No, he never asked. Because the media are all about resisting Trump, as exposed in this thriller. To that end, they will dance with any witness, no matter how tainted, disreputable and unreliable.”<br />This is how NYS civil courts run divorce cases today. The angry wives are mean and disruptive, vent their hate, never explaining why the switch, they bring fake/phony evidence etc.Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-2295742522246056982018-08-14T00:08:12.164+03:002018-08-14T00:08:12.164+03:00Mazal Tov.
Behatzlacha.Mazal Tov. <br />Behatzlacha.IsraelReadernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15748208303631094832018-08-13T20:45:11.058+03:002018-08-13T20:45:11.058+03:00The NYS Ct of Appeals accepted my papers and assig...The NYS Ct of Appeals accepted my papers and assigned me 2018-840 return date August 20, 2018. I can write all I want with affidavit of service that I sent Susan a true copy. My every letter will go to the judges. Will the judges finally rule in my favor? Will the judges free up my pension? Will the judges recognize that I divorced Susan 2/17/1993? Will the judges recognize that I did not abandon the house etc? Will the judges recognize that I’m a victim of Gerald Garson etc? What’s an issue of case law here that I want the judges to deal with? Anyone?<br />In the K-G heter, there is an issue. Can a fake/phony PhD psychology letter free Tamar to remarry without a get? I say, can a fake/phony 1995 Rigler Order of Separation win for Susan a 2013 NYS civil divorce and the house etc?Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62859101226867466362018-08-13T14:43:04.804+03:002018-08-13T14:43:04.804+03:00there is no halacha of pilegesh - by defintion the...there is no halacha of pilegesh - by defintion there is no kiddushin and no gittin involved, it is just a polite way of of having a live in girlfriend and/or concubineEddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44036059175178344092018-08-13T10:42:44.153+03:002018-08-13T10:42:44.153+03:00You are living in a fantasy world.You are living in a fantasy world.Yehoshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39038184987309864202018-08-13T10:18:23.057+03:002018-08-13T10:18:23.057+03:00Allow me to show you part of my letter today to th...Allow me to show you part of my letter today to the NYS Ct of Appeals, Susan, Judge Prus. See, my papers of August 5 are under review. I know from experience that the NYS Ct of Appeals mails back my papers fast if they reject them. Oh, they did that to me some 4 or 5 times.<br />3.Myla Serlin, Susan, Judge Prus, and Marilyn Rothstein are required to show me the fake/phony 1995 Rigler Order of Separation. Why? I need that critical document to defend myself and to block/nullify the ridiculous NYS civil judgment of divorce Judge Prus signed 9/10/2013. Myla Serlin, Susan, Judge Prus, and Marilyn Rothstein don't have the prerogative to deny me access to that critical document. It's heinous for them to deny me access to that critical document. That critical document enables Susan to steal my house and my pension. I ask the Court to issue an immediate stay/freeze on my TIAA pension until the Court completes a judicial review. I quote the Bible Psalms 27:12 “Do not subject me to the will of my foes, for false witnesses and unjust accusers have appeared against me.”<br /><br /><br /> 4.I turn to NYS highest court for justice, as stated in the Bible Deuteronomy 16:18-20 “You shall appoint magistrates and officials for your tribes, in all the settlements that the Lord your God is giving you, and they shall govern the people with due justice. You shall not judge unfairly: you shall show no partiality; you shall not take bribes, for bribes blind the eyes of the discerning and upset the plea of the just. Justice, justice shall you pursue, that you may thrive and occupy the land that the Lord your God is giving you.”<br />What Mendel Epstein et al did, few shocks and punches, was heinous. What Rabbi Kamenetsky did, not to show Aaron the fake/phony PhD psychology letter, was also heinous. Aaron needed that letter to block the ridiculous Rabbi Greenblatt marriage of Tamar etc.Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-7978446985686215002018-08-12T20:44:21.874+03:002018-08-12T20:44:21.874+03:00Your parameters or my parameters? Once you open th...Your parameters or my parameters? Once you open the door to pilegesh with your parameters, that are more stringent than the halachos regarding pilegesh, there's nothing to preclude others from allowing pilegesh with different parameters that don't violate the halachos regarding pilegesh (such as permitting multiple women.)Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34333639397074450842018-08-12T20:24:24.718+03:002018-08-12T20:24:24.718+03:00There's stuff going on now that I will not pub...There's stuff going on now that I will not publicize at this point here.<br /><br />Pilegesh with parameters will improve things.<br /><br />We're still struggling with how to teach non-married Jews about Pilegesh. Also, some community Mikvaos may not be open for Pilegesh use. We may need to establish our own Mikvaos.<br /><br />Stay tuned.Joseph Orlowhttp://www.journalinginamerica.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57649137286323244952018-08-12T19:47:04.343+03:002018-08-12T19:47:04.343+03:00I don't see how one can open the door to piege...I don't see how one can open the door to piegesh only slightly without the door being opened all the way Halacha permits by the next guy.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34738968199523375522018-08-12T16:53:19.853+03:002018-08-12T16:53:19.853+03:00I don't recall at the moment that he specifica...I don't recall at the moment that he specifically told me a man can only take one Pilegesh at a time.<br /><br />He did say that he would not allow at this time a man to take a Pilegesh while remaining married to his Kiddushin wife, as the Yaavetz encourages when the Kiddushin marriage is childless.<br /><br />The whole point of Pilegesh at this point in time is to obviate the need for a Get to terminate a marriage. Not to open the door to every possible Pilegesh type marriage.Joseph Orlowhttp://www.journalinginamerica.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65258292703279957592018-08-12T13:56:44.500+03:002018-08-12T13:56:44.500+03:00I am curious how otherwise great rabbi's such ...I am curious how otherwise great rabbi's such as Rabbi Feldman in America can make absurd and Ludacris statements that's serving in the Israeli army is not Pikuach nefesh? What reality do these characters live in do they know anything outside of the four walls of their yeshivas?<br />A while ago there was a fake news about the chazon ish, claiming he could have stopped the Holocaust if he had known about it but he was unaware. Presumably this means yochanan Ben zakkai could have prevented the destruction of the temple has he had knew about it and Rabbi Akiva could have defeated the Romans if he knew about the war but suppose he didn't know about it and that's why he decided bar kochba was the Messiah.<br />I'm not denigrating Hazal, but the modern haredi Rabbi seem to be denigrating everybody with a ridiculous worldview.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-37224495382861595102018-08-12T11:49:05.292+03:002018-08-12T11:49:05.292+03:00Did Rav elyashiv approve of pilegesh? Rav David ba...Did Rav elyashiv approve of pilegesh? Rav David bar hayyim is permitting kitniot, and rde is permitting pilagshim.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36446011241086300182018-08-12T09:00:44.576+03:002018-08-12T09:00:44.576+03:00"What gives anyone Halachic standing to just ..."What gives anyone Halachic standing to just say they are going to get married with Pilegesh?"<br /><br />Anyone with smicha can take the same liberty Rav Dovid is taking to marry pilogshim. Without the self-imposed constraint that Rav Dovid chose of limiting a man to only one pilegesh.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42472581574970894482018-08-12T08:53:08.250+03:002018-08-12T08:53:08.250+03:00Suffering from herpes virus is a terrible experien...Suffering from herpes virus is a terrible experience because i was told it has no cure,the good news am happily sharing now is the great power behind herbal medication i got diagnosed of herpes virus in the year 2014 and in 2016 i started having outbreaks and it became more terrible for me to bare,One blissful morning i came across a blog comment posted by a man call Thompson on how he was cured of herpes simplex virus type 2 with the herbal medication of (Dr. Omo. 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Please for any who has health problem of any kind should mail him on the email provided above mail me directly helenjrzeinab@yandex.com for more info,give him a chance and see what he can do.Helen Zainabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74737093356969621452018-08-12T05:09:22.363+03:002018-08-12T05:09:22.363+03:00You are right insofar as anyone can take a Pileges...You are right insofar as anyone can take a Pilegesh without Rabbi Dovid Eidensohn's permission.<br /><br />For hundreds of years, though, Pilegeshmarriage has not been practiced within observant communities. What gives anyone Halachic standing to just say they are going to get married with Pilegesh?<br /><br />Rabbi Eidensohn has a solid basis for restarting Pilegesh marriages. Rabbi Eidensohn has Smicha from Gadolim of the past generation. In particular, Reb Elyashiv zt"l gave Rabbi Eidensohn permission to us Rav Elyasiv's name on Rabbi Eidensohn's Gittin Bais Din.<br /><br />Rabbi Eidensohn has set the parameters on how Pilegesh will be reinstituted.Joseph Orlowhttp://www.journalinginamerica.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-414407865552776482018-08-12T04:54:06.159+03:002018-08-12T04:54:06.159+03:00I don't see how he can limit a man to one pile...I don't see how he can limit a man to one pilegesh when there's no such halachic limit that is applicable.<br /><br />CRG has no application on pilegesh.Moe Ginsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21050674389942943772018-08-12T00:24:29.030+03:002018-08-12T00:24:29.030+03:00I read again your article, assuming it is yours.
...I read again your article, assuming it is yours.<br /><br />I agree with you - one needs to study under the correct tradition, ie a Gadol who knows and had learned with major scholars. <br /><br />An interesting example is here, http://traditionarchive.org/news/originals/Volume%2025/No.%204/Learning%20Gemara%20In.pdf<br />Rav Aharon Feldman takes issue with the Steinsaltz Talmud. He shows Steinsaltz is somewhat of a bluffer, makes errors in his presentation and misleads the public. I actually heard directly , I asked Steinsaltz about Moshiach and Hilchot melachim - he was just making up his own nonsense and falsely misrepresenting Rambam.<br /><br /><br />Regarding "knowing" the Torah says "Lo B'Shamayim Hi" so the Torah is not beyond our grasp. Nevertheless, errors are possible that is why there are shogegot, sacrifices for errors, we have mescheta Horiot that deals with this problem, and Hilchot Shogegot in rambam. So according to the Torah itself , no Judge is infallible.<br /><br /><br />But you call anyone who disagrees with you an apikores, even though Rav Eidensohn says it is not apikorsus.<br /><br /><br />Raavad and Rambam cannot both be right - that is an illogical statemnt you make. If Raavad is right, then Rambam is wrong, and treif on that one halacha, and vice versa. <br /><br />Regarding Pilegesh, this is not a solution to aguna problem, it is an ancient practice that the Torah allows. It is not for us to forbid what the Torah permits. RDovidE is saying that Pilegesh will prevent aguna problem for those who don't wish to risk it. But he is also giving other reasons. The understands that sexual restrictions are bad for people, and it is evil if you prevent someone from marrying, as all these humras do.Eddienoreply@blogger.com