tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post2547108315158843367..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Saving kids: Lashon harah is "high price to pay"?!Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18362675383890178402019-01-20T09:12:32.317+02:002019-01-20T09:12:32.317+02:00Your prophet Big Mo was a pedophile.Your prophet Big Mo was a pedophile.Self Loathing Liberalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83581051847000635522019-01-16T03:07:15.344+02:002019-01-16T03:07:15.344+02:00Filthy bastards condoning child abuse, the rabbis ...Filthy bastards condoning child abuse, the rabbis and perverts all need reportin g!53446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28034796758173584722012-06-08T06:37:23.011+03:002012-06-08T06:37:23.011+03:00While David Zwiebel can be commended for his conci...While David Zwiebel can be commended for his conciliatory statements the real litmus test here to gauge any change in the Aguda agenda would be if they modified their stand on resistance to the Markey legislation and on mandated reporting to law enforcement.spacedoutBThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509651208203221048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79760604830899622782012-06-08T00:04:20.427+03:002012-06-08T00:04:20.427+03:00Elsewhere, on Facebook, I wrote, Yasher koach, Rab...Elsewhere, on Facebook, I wrote, Yasher koach, Rabbi Eidensohn, for speaking the truth. <br /><br />Dovid Zwiebel's blanket accusation that "the bloggers" are guilty of the serious sins of rechilus, loshon hara, and bittul zman are well beyond the norm of civilized public discourse. He is both lawyer and rabbi, and the chief executive of a Jewish organization, and possesses no ethical nor religious right to denigrate "the bloggers" in such a manner. These "bloggers" are sex abuse victims. They deserve our commendation, our friendship, and our support. Dovid Zwiebel, and other Aguda rabbis, have made Aguda into, basically, a hate group. Their annual convention speakers shout hate at anybody who is different from them, and periodically, in the year between conventions, we read comments like these in magazines and elsewhere. It is deplorable, and I also condemn these hate comments.Elliot Pasiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-73752499383274801192012-06-07T21:28:00.943+03:002012-06-07T21:28:00.943+03:00the fact is that Zwiebel is how he spells itthe fact is that Zwiebel is how he spells itDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19126303785371180662012-06-07T21:24:48.732+03:002012-06-07T21:24:48.732+03:00With this clarification (which is probably right) ...With this clarification (which is probably right) Rabbi Zweibel is still clearly arguing that the harm caused by the existence of a critical blogging community that refuses to give the gedolim their due respect may outweigh the benefit from those few cases (including the molestation example) where the bloggers caused a positive change in the gedolim's attitude. So, to Rabbi Zweibel the harm of a few children being raped with impunity may be secondary to what he views as possibly the greater harm of open challenge to the as-close-to-perfect authority of the Moetzes. Rabbi Eidensohn's point is not diminished by this clarification.observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13181860892696359132012-06-07T21:16:26.907+03:002012-06-07T21:16:26.907+03:00@outrageous:
YOU should apologize, since you cons...@outrageous:<br /><br />YOU should apologize, since you consistently mispell the name ZWIEBEL, (like onion in German).Batmelechnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-63505916996969819392012-06-07T16:51:01.550+03:002012-06-07T16:51:01.550+03:00I think you need to remove your comments and apolo...I think you need to remove your comments and apologize to Zweibel for assuming he made the comments regarding molestation. You made an error, anyone could, its no big deal but you need to circulate the retraction.outragednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-40897357937819060642012-06-07T16:37:38.238+03:002012-06-07T16:37:38.238+03:00Dovy,
Papers do try to protect the identity of th...Dovy,<br /><br />Papers do try to protect the identity of the victims in sex abuse cases. Your comment doesn't. <br /><br />That's why.Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51710844077341476392012-06-07T16:19:17.676+03:002012-06-07T16:19:17.676+03:00hareidiandproud is absolutely correct in his readi...hareidiandproud is absolutely correct in his reading of Zweibels comment on Rabbi Eidensohn's blog above ( that criticizes Zweibels words). The portion of the Zweibel comment that shows that hareidiandproud is correct: namely, "A case in point is abuse and molestation issues." <br /><br />So it seems that Rabbi Eidensohn needs to retract his words insofar as they apply to the paragraph of Zweibel's words noted above ( of course this comment is not directed to Rabbi Eidensohns comments about other PAST words of Zweibel)outragednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77998038991916411662012-06-07T16:13:54.922+03:002012-06-07T16:13:54.922+03:00I am asking you what it is TODAY that you are crit...I am asking you what it is TODAY that you are criticizing in harsh terms the rabbis on the moetses for currently handling abuse cases wrongly ( i am quite aware that prior to NOW the frum community dealt with these issues internally without ultimately going to the police) I'm not asking for a general repeat of the last 10 years but rather exactly what the moetses is NOW doing that warrants your CURRENT massive criticism of the moetses today. I am not asking about Zweibel now, I am asking only about the moetses. And of course aside from wanting to get to the bottom of what you are mean regarding NOW. <br /><br />Secondly you didnt comment on what the gedolim in EY have to say NOW about the CURRENT behaviro/handling of the had to say about the in somore thmore has tried to deal with these issues community.<br />TYoutragednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57077480306185350542012-06-07T06:42:07.780+03:002012-06-07T06:42:07.780+03:00Rabbi Eidensohn,
Without diminishing an iota the ...Rabbi Eidensohn,<br /><br />Without diminishing an iota the pain you (and I) feel over this terrible situation, I believe you are either misunderstanding Rabbi Zwiebel's point or giving it short shrift.<br /><br />He was not addressing bloggers as it pertains to the issue of abuse, but rather their role in general. I go into detail at my blog: http://harediandproud.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/rabbi-zwiebel-is-right/harediandproudhttp://harediandproud.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33529130996247175852012-06-07T03:24:55.771+03:002012-06-07T03:24:55.771+03:00Yasher koach, spaced out BT. The Rav Ahron Kotler...Yasher koach, spaced out BT. The Rav Ahron Kotler quote was heard by two witnesses, one was his daughter, Rebbitzin Schwartzman, and I don't recall the other. The quote appears in the Holocaust sefer, "Thy Brother's Blood", authored by Dr. David Kranzler. The quote, which I think I almost perfectly recall, is, "I would prostrate myself before the Pope to save the fingernail of one Jewish child." Rav Kotler spoke in Yiddish, and that is the translation in the book. Rav Kotler, of course, was very active in Vaad Hatzolah, from the time he arrived in America erev Pesach 1942, until the conclusion of the war. From what I understand, Rav Kotler did not immerse himself full time in founding and opening his yeshiva until the conclusion of the war, first, in White Plain, I believe, and shortly thereafter in Lakewood.Elliot Pasiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-55148179065741938522012-06-07T02:28:22.890+03:002012-06-07T02:28:22.890+03:00I do recall a quote from R. Aaron Kotler " to...I do recall a quote from R. Aaron Kotler " to save the fingernail of a Jewish child I would kiss the ring of the Pope."Why do people who claim to be his spiritual heirs act in a way to negate his attitude?spacedoutBThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509651208203221048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-19958960736618619972012-06-07T00:59:52.440+03:002012-06-07T00:59:52.440+03:00Rabbi Eidensohn, is so on target when he says &quo...Rabbi Eidensohn, is so on target when he says "It shows not the slightest awareness of the halachic issues or the horrible consequences of abuse". I will bring a current example: For the past few years Williamsburg has been plagued by a serial child molester named Moshe Zecharya Rosenbaum. The Williamsburg Vaad Hatzniyus, headed by several very respected Baalei Batim, circulated in the Mikvas, posters with his name and photo! Several of his victims have unfortunately gone off the derech. (Forget about the nightmares they have to live with). After the Vaad, acting on a tip, broke down the door to his apartment and finding him with a young bochur, they gave him a good beating. This past April, he again molested a young bochur with a new twist - he made the bochur SIGN a consent form!! (This time the Vaad sent letters to the Batei Medrashim).<br /><br />I want to believe that had the Vaad clearly been educated to understand the lifelong consequences of abuse, both to the victims emotions and more importantly to his Neshama, Halacha would have forced them to see Rosenbaum as a Rodef and therefore a deadly threat, and one who should have been turned over to the police. Instead, they FORCED HIS FAMILY TO SHIP HIM OFF TO ISRAEL!!!Williamsburgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23814533551716584112012-06-06T16:21:45.111+03:002012-06-06T16:21:45.111+03:00Outraged - I have a clear policy not to publish an...Outraged - I have a clear policy not to publish anonymous comments - I made an exception in your case this time - but I will simply block all future comments if you don't put a name on them.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45235564446701040002012-06-06T16:17:53.996+03:002012-06-06T16:17:53.996+03:00Outraged - you obviously are unaware of what has b...Outraged - you obviously are unaware of what has been happening in the area of child abuse for many years. I really don't see the need to review the last few years postings on the subject because you have had your head in the sand. I also wrote 3 books on the subject. How can you be so naive and ignorant. Did you at least read the recent New York Times articles? Are you familiar with the Kolko case - both of them. Did you ever hear of Mondrowitz? What about the Weinberg incest case in Monsey. etc etc etc. <br /><br /><br />But a simple question to you - why did it take the activities of bloggers to get the gedolim to pay attention to the issue of child abuse? Why did R Zwiebel acknowledge that the gedolim were ignoring and not taking seriously the issue of child abuse? Why were the lowly bloggers pained by a child being raped by his rebbe or father - but not the gedolim!?<br /><br />I'm not a condemner, by nature. "I do believe that among them there are people who are deeply pained about certain issues and feel that this is the way they can express their pain. I will even go a step further and say that through the pressure they've created, communal issues that needed to be confronted were moved to the front burner and taken seriously. A case in point is abuse and molestation issues.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43591237585169626072012-06-06T16:05:49.613+03:002012-06-06T16:05:49.613+03:00why dont you confront zweibel and the head of mish...why dont you confront zweibel and the head of mishpacha directly as welloutragednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-52646853039435490022012-06-06T15:50:45.298+03:002012-06-06T15:50:45.298+03:00what exactly is the shamefulness that you Rabbi Zw...what exactly is the shamefulness that you Rabbi Zweibel refers to with regard to the Agudah in America ? What gedolim in Eretz Yisroel have suggested the Agudah in America act differently? since it is such an important issue you, Rabbi Eidensohn, ought to not refrain from telling us the names of Eretz Yisroel Gedolim that said x,y, or z and tell us what x,y, and z is. Otherwise it's all bluster.outragednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-21285096667106840782012-06-06T15:49:27.446+03:002012-06-06T15:49:27.446+03:00this is request for Rabbi Eidensohn to speak clear...this is request for Rabbi Eidensohn to speak clearly and explicate exactly what he maintains is the perversion of Yiddishkeit that he is saying Zweibel and the Rabbis of the moetsis gedolei torah have done that is shameful? Could Rabbi Eidensohn refer us to what the moetses has done that is so shameful and a chillul Hashem so that we don't need to grab at strays trying to figure it out?<br /><br />And is Rabbi Eidensohn saying that the Gedolim in Eretz Yisroel also disagree with the American Agudah on how they have acted regarding abuse?? If so, would you, Rabbi Eidensohn, care to list some of the top gedolim who disagree with how the gedolim of the agudah have acted ( ie. shamelessly) in the matter of abuse?outragednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-20699199426050234352012-06-06T00:18:17.782+03:002012-06-06T00:18:17.782+03:00>The NYPD opened the sickening case when a 20-y...>The NYPD opened the sickening case when a 20-year-old woman confided in a co-worker that the respected rabbi, who ran Yeshiva Tehila L’Dovid, had sexually assaulted her for years. Cops later learned that three of her female relatives, ages 8, 17 and 19, were also allegedly abused.<<br /><br />Wasn't it his own daughters he was raping??? That's much worse than some strangers as the above seems to make it out to be. Why the coverup?Dovynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70240224572680514552012-06-05T17:25:26.135+03:002012-06-05T17:25:26.135+03:00Who is Nochum Rosenberg and what do you propose I ...Who is Nochum Rosenberg and what do you propose I ask him?Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-56414036425020019712012-06-05T15:19:02.057+03:002012-06-05T15:19:02.057+03:00Mr. Hirsch:
Your true colors are showing, and tha...Mr. Hirsch:<br /><br />Your true colors are showing, and that should be shameful. Extradition efforts are much more difficult than you think, and the DA office has done its part in making the request. There is another party on the other side of the ocean that must follow through, and is not doing its part. Same goes for Monster Mondrowitz. In the Monster case, the DA had let us down back then, only waking up later to seek extradition. That's being blocked on the Israeli end. We don't know what the holdup in this case is, but it is dishonest to blame Hynes for this. There are some true complaints about how he handled issues in the past. If you stick to the truth, we might listen to you. Meanwhile, you are enveloped in your hatred for too many people, blaming everyone in the world indiscriminately. Cool it. There's lots of work to do.Destroy evilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89905975245305504862012-06-05T09:33:32.735+03:002012-06-05T09:33:32.735+03:00Thank you for posting. I originally thought the Mi...Thank you for posting. I originally thought the Mishpacha article was a satirical comedy piece that somebody put together to be mean to the Agudah. Little did I realize this was actually real.can't believe he said itnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43357212909873103082012-06-05T09:30:37.475+03:002012-06-05T09:30:37.475+03:00thanks for sharing! your critique is very precisel...thanks for sharing! your critique is very precisely on target. they are<br />in "LALA land"an insidernoreply@blogger.com