tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post2473944311957195098..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Weiss-Dodelson:The $1,000,000 Question why are the gedolim silent about Gital's tactics?Daas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54517568509712478162013-11-21T07:06:44.816+02:002013-11-21T07:06:44.816+02:00i would say that the husband should remember the b...i would say that the husband should remember the brilliant words of ralph waldo emerson: "nothing external to you has any power over you". don't give the get because of some internet campaign. rather, find understanding and inner peace and give the get because it is the right thing to do. give the get for a hundred good reasons, none of them having anything to do with ORA or gital or facebook. Ben Waxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02798895161663664689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14207976684243037402013-11-20T22:06:23.105+02:002013-11-20T22:06:23.105+02:00Yonah,
A GET given because of terror is invalid. I...Yonah,<br />A GET given because of terror is invalid. If you and all of the wise people on this blog and elsewhere would realize that we Jews have a Torah that you didn't study very well, the discussions would be much different. The leading rabbis in the world agree with the above and in Israel every shul and every rabbi is being given two volumes of halacha to prove this and signed by Reb Chaim Kaniefsky and Rav Shmuel HaLevi Wosner and Reb Nissim Karelitzs etc. Does that mean anything to you? Kotler has to make up lies in the name of the Torah because of family pressures. But what is your excuse?Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-39698031070668755582013-11-20T22:02:36.155+02:002013-11-20T22:02:36.155+02:00What?
You claim that the husband is "ignoring...What?<br />You claim that the husband is "ignoring the gedolim and Beth Sin." I know a lot of serious scholars who disagree with this statement. This is a very complicated situation that few people know what really happened. And even those who do not know what happened, should know the basic halacha taught by old fashioned Shulchan Aruch Jews like myself, that Weiss is forbidden to give a GET because of terror and if he gives one under pressure, it is invalid and the child of the second marriage is a mamzer. What do you say about that, What?Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65033534180742433702013-11-19T01:37:33.109+02:002013-11-19T01:37:33.109+02:00The real issue here is not so much who is right, r...The real issue here is not so much who is right, rather it is the fact that a license was given by all the established gedolim to any person who is in a divorce dispute to bring it to the secular media and nobody can say a word. Once the cat is out of the bag there is no putting it back in. habahirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75610206147490987372013-11-18T21:39:46.209+02:002013-11-18T21:39:46.209+02:00In the last five years of his life, you could not ...In the last five years of his life, you could not speak to him for an extended period of time. You could not even get close to him. He was constantly "protected". Everyone was screened. <br /><br />RHS first visited him decades ago when he was not so well known. The last visit was on behalf of the OU and it was clear that they were discussing matters that impacted millions. He knew exactly who he was talking to. Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42921273068409920592013-11-18T18:36:26.375+02:002013-11-18T18:36:26.375+02:00Rav Eliashev was willing to speak in learning for ...Rav Eliashev was willing to speak in learning for an extended time period with anyone. He didn't screen visitors. You think he lived in an ivory tower? He had a tiny little shul where anyone could come to him. Anyone. Andthere were no long lines to see him.<br /><br />Speaking to Rav Eliashev in no way means Rav Eliashev condones, agrees with or even knows what that person represents or says.Columbusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-11333242791217841122013-11-18T18:08:05.587+02:002013-11-18T18:08:05.587+02:00He didnt just meet him. They spoke in learning fo...He didnt just meet him. They spoke in learning for a long time. I doubt you could get an hour with him. They discussed complex topics in kashrus. Besides, RHS doesnt have to hold like Rav elyashiv. We are not all required to accept him as the final authority on all matters.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-70526885369102235542013-11-18T08:15:21.853+02:002013-11-18T08:15:21.853+02:00I also met Rav Eliashev. Anyone could meet him. RH...I also met Rav Eliashev. Anyone could meet him. RHS represents the diametric opposite of Rav Eliashev.Columbusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28601315477845577002013-11-18T08:12:30.501+02:002013-11-18T08:12:30.501+02:00has anyone made a point here that hasn't been ...has anyone made a point here that hasn't been made 79 times already on this blog?Ben Waxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02798895161663664689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61576097122775858902013-11-18T05:54:26.588+02:002013-11-18T05:54:26.588+02:00He is a hero for fighting to protect his relations...He is a hero for fighting to protect his relationship with his kid. Given her family's enormous advantage in wealth and political power, the only thing preventing her nefarious plan to ruin her sons relationship with his father is the get. She cannot attack the court ordered visitation until after the get is given, otherwise she risks losing her perceived but completely unsupported and propagandized "moral high-ground". Therefore, BEFORE the get is given, Rav Weiss MUST FORMALIZE EVERY LEGALLY PROTECTION including a very strong consent agreement by the wife to not try to reduce the father's time with the child. Rav Weiss must also also prepare financially to protect his son from the Doddlesons oncoming onslaught on the vibrant and close father/son relationship.A duped fathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-72588639313596864342013-11-18T05:40:22.962+02:002013-11-18T05:40:22.962+02:00Once the court has given Gital physical custody, s...Once the court has given Gital physical custody, she no longer risks being seen by the court as obstructionist, and can then pocket her physical custody win and begin to attack the fathers visitation with impunity. Kinda like how the Palestinians leverage everything that is given to them in negotiation to push for even greater concessions. The only thing she probably is waiting for to begin the assault on the father-son relationship is the giving of the get, The Dodlesons STATED GOAL is to reduce the role the childs father has in his life a well as the time he has with his son. Given that, Rav Weiss is completely justifies to wait on giving the get until there is a consent agreement that will offer some level of legal protection of his time and relationship with his soon. But the consent agreement is not enough. Rav Weiss will also need money to withstand the highly probable forthcoming legal assault on his time with his son which could easily overwhelm he and his family by virtue pf the Doddleson's enormous wealth and willingness to utilize a win at all costs warfare strategy - including destroying the reputation and parnassa of anyone or in their wayA duped fathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75647737815369333192013-11-18T05:23:45.482+02:002013-11-18T05:23:45.482+02:00He fought back to protect his son from her machina...He fought back to protect his son from her machinations to destroy her sons attachment and time with his fatherA duped fathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53716083133713953582013-11-18T05:22:17.387+02:002013-11-18T05:22:17.387+02:00He went to court with a heter because she was with...He went to court with a heter because she was withholding the child from him. The fact that she offered visitation once the court case commenced proves NOTHING about her good intentions. She HAD TO offer visitation in court, otherwise she would have been viewed as obstructionist and would probably have completely lost custodyjwnjcdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759494982860303582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3873022625667909572013-11-18T05:20:25.164+02:002013-11-18T05:20:25.164+02:00He went to court with a heter because she was with...He went to court with a heter because she was withholding the child from him. The fact that she offered visitation once the court case commenced proves NOTHING about her good intentions. She HAD TO offer visitation in court, otherwise she would have been viewed as obstructionist and would probably have completely lost custodyjwnjcdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759494982860303582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-42193137990691652072013-11-18T02:24:45.904+02:002013-11-18T02:24:45.904+02:00He got a heter arkoyos since she unilaterally walk...He got a heter arkoyos since she unilaterally walked out of the marriage and grabbed the child and took him with her without his agreement.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-15219179059755270022013-11-18T01:40:06.703+02:002013-11-18T01:40:06.703+02:00Really? RHS met with Rav Elyashiv on more than one...Really? RHS met with Rav Elyashiv on more than one occasion. Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5911482879214609922013-11-18T00:26:27.439+02:002013-11-18T00:26:27.439+02:00There's halacha, there's secular law, and ...There's halacha, there's secular law, and there is the right thing to do.<br /><br />She asked for a get, and the marriage is functionally over. He can give the get and work out the other problems through beit din/NY court, or compound his problems by refusing to give the get. <br /><br />Basic human decency suggests he should give her a get. Halacha may cover his decision to create another aguna, but we people sure shouldn't (lo bashamayim hi). Cherem is too good for someone like him, and if we could institue karait, we should.<br /><br />If he has issues with how their breakup is handled, first he should make it final.Yonahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30208373436772683292013-11-17T23:18:12.321+02:002013-11-17T23:18:12.321+02:00@Asher: LOL -- fantastic satire!@Asher: LOL -- fantastic satire!Richie Sevrinskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15153879406043879145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-61262256834686498552013-11-17T20:37:21.937+02:002013-11-17T20:37:21.937+02:00Wrong, as the father of his young child, Weiss has...Wrong, as the father of his young child, Weiss has the duty to raise and be mechanech his child, the fact that his wife left the house makes no difference whatsoever, now lets be honest, to get justice in court or Halachic psak in Beis-Din is nearly impossible when the other side is so powerful, so why blame him.<br /><br />I look at the pattern of conduct of each side and this suggests something to me, I also think of what can he gain from not giving a get other than to get the custody that he deserves so that too suggests that he is understandably struggles to handle this tricky situation.Eize Hu Chochomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15172122633884886920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-26023466016791222252013-11-17T20:13:23.290+02:002013-11-17T20:13:23.290+02:00Still the question is valid
Do the Lakewood estab...Still the question is valid<br /><br />Do the Lakewood establishment care about the reputation of Orthodox Jews? and the answer does not seem as clear as it should have been.<br /><br />Eize Hu Chochomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15172122633884886920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75808943601833140852013-11-17T20:10:44.537+02:002013-11-17T20:10:44.537+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Eize Hu Chochomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15172122633884886920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-67619456615078986992013-11-17T20:05:24.563+02:002013-11-17T20:05:24.563+02:00I suspect that if Weiss will get the custody that ...I suspect that if Weiss will get the custody that he entitled based on Halacha. Which is nearly full custody from the age of 6 he will be happy to accept the financial loss.<br />The money appears to be in play to make sure that the custody deal will hold.<br /><br />Your assertion that he just refuses to give a get and he is not really looking for anything in particular but for excused instead is odd.<br /><br />I would like to remind you that the custody of his only child is not a bonus and in fact he is obliged to fight for it.Eize Hu Chochomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15172122633884886920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-88426484398667602682013-11-17T19:43:24.250+02:002013-11-17T19:43:24.250+02:00You should have stopped after saying that she'...You should have stopped after saying that she's from R' Schneur Kotler's family and the Kotler family will naturally take their family member's side. You didn't have to continue with unsupported overgeneral accusations (re their attitude towards the Feinsteins) that have little relation to the case at hand.Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-75115495589600811232013-11-17T19:22:52.403+02:002013-11-17T19:22:52.403+02:00Try Yitz Waxman's solution - hit the "loa...Try Yitz Waxman's solution - hit the "load more" linkDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-17318367898520511572013-11-17T18:45:57.307+02:002013-11-17T18:45:57.307+02:00Weiss's position is more like the woman from a...Weiss's position is more like the woman from a poor and not too powerful family who marries a man that tells her--Stay or I will hurt your kids. What do I mean? If the mother's family is tainted then her kids must be tainted. It sounds like the Dodelson's will hurt the reputation of the father and his family and therefore this poor child so that he is never proud of his paternal roots. All his siblings will be better as their father will be --better, smarter, more religious. How sad that things worked out the way they did. Yichus in the Jewish world is stressed. The stress in this child's life will be he comes from a bad father.observernoreply@blogger.com