tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post2221312008150958557..comments2024-03-29T12:21:24.976+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Tropper scandal - edited videoDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23575408802930644452010-02-18T03:16:08.839+02:002010-02-18T03:16:08.839+02:00This is mamish pili ployimThis is mamish pili ployimefretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80172648272247760542010-02-16T23:30:44.180+02:002010-02-16T23:30:44.180+02:00I think New Zealand could use a kiruv yeshiva, may...I think New Zealand could use a kiruv yeshiva, maybe he would be interested.....Mishenichnasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-43337354136033568242010-02-16T22:03:08.156+02:002010-02-16T22:03:08.156+02:00Baruch Lanner is in Boca with his star student Smo...Baruch Lanner is in Boca with his star student Smolarcik. <br /><br />Tropper could join the Boca Chevra or go to North Miami and join Schmeltzer.Jersey Girlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32946493378760330792010-02-16T14:06:36.878+02:002010-02-16T14:06:36.878+02:00With no mention of EJF, are we to infer that Tropp...With no mention of EJF, are we to infer that Tropper is free to continue his activities under EJF and to continue to obtain multi-million dollar funding from Tom Kaplan and engage in lavish expenditures under EJF and to dole out mega million contributions to his friends -- while other educational institutions are facing financial hardships? <br /><br />What is the public to do when observing Tropper engage in activities under EJF or under the guise of any other institution in the future? Who is the public to turn to? Which beis din is going to be willing to reopen this sordid mess? Or did the beis din intend to allow Tropper to continue his activities anywhere but in Monsey?<br /><br />Regrettably, one is left with a most uncomfortable feeling that the beis din has not adequately protected the public -- at least not yet.Observer from Afarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24085387707622047312010-02-16T11:46:36.725+02:002010-02-16T11:46:36.725+02:00http://tzedek-tzedek.blogspot.com/http://tzedek-tzedek.blogspot.com/Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-4776815079514182062010-02-16T11:36:29.599+02:002010-02-16T11:36:29.599+02:00no, this story broke yesterday
http://www.ynetnew...no, this story broke yesterday<br /><br />http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3849811,00.html<br /><br />he was isolated and putin cherem 4 years ago, and stripped of his rabinical duties.<br /><br />it is a tragedy, he was a great rabbi, had big following, and was a serious rosh yeshiva<br /><br />the world is falling apart...Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68718023518097701862010-02-16T09:12:12.873+02:002010-02-16T09:12:12.873+02:00Does that mean he no longer has a hold on all thos...Does that mean he no longer has a hold on all those millions? And what about Tom Kaplan? Is he still Tropper's friend? And what about the money that Guma is accusing Tropper of not delivering to where it was supposed to go?Still wonderingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18408545889634668792010-02-16T07:43:52.549+02:002010-02-16T07:43:52.549+02:00just to let you know there was a meeting with alot...just to let you know there was a meeting with alot of rabbonim tonight in monsey. and after alot of back and forth b"h they forced leib tropper to legally sign over his yeshiva. and made up with him that he must leave monsey in the next 6 months.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12168956017194885392010-02-16T06:42:46.461+02:002010-02-16T06:42:46.461+02:00where is the real video? you do not see any action...where is the real video? you do not see any action therrealvideonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18838768758353559002010-02-16T02:56:21.417+02:002010-02-16T02:56:21.417+02:00"Look at the difference how modern zionist wo..."Look at the difference how modern zionist world deal with their predators compared to Haredi world."<br />___________________<br /><br />Are you referring to the Lanner situation?<br /><br />Apparently not well at all.Sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-85200349271665400192010-02-16T02:21:27.475+02:002010-02-16T02:21:27.475+02:00I know leib and leba for many years and obviously ...I know leib and leba for many years and obviously it is them. <br /><br />I know I will feel awkward next time I see them. Feel bad for the twin girls thoughJacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-74154066552588810072010-02-16T01:04:25.097+02:002010-02-16T01:04:25.097+02:00Look at the difference how modern zionist world de...Look at the difference how modern zionist world deal with their predators compared to Haredi world.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65250065979697125882010-02-16T00:41:53.909+02:002010-02-16T00:41:53.909+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Shades of Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03029177164921795725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-72405810019148080672010-02-15T23:28:48.179+02:002010-02-15T23:28:48.179+02:00The Truth Hurts said...
Can't force myself to ...The Truth Hurts said...<br />Can't force myself to cut and paste but need to say I did not know people could be so naive.Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-53458324467476772422010-02-15T23:28:47.790+02:002010-02-15T23:28:47.790+02:00The Truth Hurts said...
Can't force myself to ...The Truth Hurts said...<br />Can't force myself to cut and paste but need to say I did not know people could be so naive.Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3634218234298379772010-02-15T23:03:58.637+02:002010-02-15T23:03:58.637+02:00Growing Up: Well said!Growing Up: Well said!The Truth Hurtsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-71153802530105532442010-02-15T22:29:28.914+02:002010-02-15T22:29:28.914+02:00"What you are saying is that Leba saw and kne..."What you are saying is that Leba saw and knew of this tape prior to it being released to public? why would she want such a tape in existence??would'nt she yell at shannon for doing this at the time? something is missing in this story"<br /><br />I'll take a stab at this.<br /><br />From the tapes, it sounds like somebody sent the video to Leba telling her that the sender was Japanese, probably to mix them up as to the source.<br /><br />Shannon seems to have secretly made the video. It is not so clear to people who don't recognize the troppers, so to nail it down for her bais din, she taped a phone call to Leba (or Leba to her), hoping Leba would incriminate herself on the phone while discussing the video, which she did.<br /><br />After that Shannon wouldn't care much if Leba found out who made the video because she had her proof for bais din. Shannon did try to protect Leba by saying in an interview that Leba did not have lesbian relationships but was being pressured by her husband to do this.<br /><br />The threat of releasing the video was used to pressure tropper to step down from EJF and its control. My guess is that since tropper is denying everything in bais din, someone decided to release part of it. Supposedly, there was a video shown in Israel that led to posters to boycott tropper being put up there when the scandal first broke. Whether this is that video can only be confirmed by those who saw that one.<br /><br />So maybe now Leba would yell at Shannon for doing this at the time. But I think Shannon is pretty thick skinned and cares more about becoming a Jew than protecting Leba's feelings.Shqueezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09400047333106799065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-27305458788218649412010-02-15T22:27:09.762+02:002010-02-15T22:27:09.762+02:00If the tape was actually a forgery, those who made...If the tape was actually a forgery, those who made the determination would step forward, identify themselves and present their credentials. The rabbonim who who accepted the final 'verdict' of a forged tape would have identified themselves.<br /><br />If the tape was a forgery, Tropper and his wife would have publicly defended themselves against the injustice perpetrated against them.<br /><br />It is not torah or tefilah that keeps us in line. It is midos and character that do that. No amount of learning and no amount of tefilah changes that truth. If we don't attach character and midos to our torah, we are Tropper. There are legiosn of far less learned baalei batim that have far greater midos and character.<br /><br />Linking or pointing to the video is far more important than bringing the prurient interests to the fore.<br /><br />This video shows that the frum olam is subject to the same influences and nisyonos as everyone else. We are not special or different. No amount of learning or mussar inoculates us from the challenges we face.<br /><br />As I noted earlier, to be a talmid chacham with a following is easy. To be a tzaddik and walk upright with Yosher is much more difficult.<br /><br />No one will remember Tropper for his smichos or leaning. We do remember those yechidim in our lives who walked upright.Growing Upnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45757091961064618432010-02-15T22:23:55.116+02:002010-02-15T22:23:55.116+02:00Tapefraud: How does thetape look like it was docto...Tapefraud: How does thetape look like it was doctored? because it is choppy and was edited to spare us from seeing these peoples private parts?!<br /><br />It is very simple, the conversation where Leba admits to being on the tape, is when she is unaware that Shannon was infact the one who recorded the tape, Shannon was still in the collecting evidence part of her relationship with Tropper, and wanted to make sure that she had Leba and Troper on tape admitting that it was them on the tape, that mission was accomplished. Whether she was at fault we cannot judge, as we were not in her shoes. I know from my own experience, even though looking back it was all in my mind, of how controlling and manipulating Rabbonim like Tropper can make someone very scared and make them feel like they are cornered. In Orand's eyes Tropper was holding her geirus and the Torah over her head. In my opinion she did the right thing by proving her case, rather then quitting going through with her geirus, or continuing to be manipulated by Tropper and give in to his requests to sleep with other men.The Truth Hurtsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-23615584279406684412010-02-15T22:02:05.984+02:002010-02-15T22:02:05.984+02:00there is another storm brewing...there is another storm brewing...Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-67970575861538488962010-02-15T20:56:22.525+02:002010-02-15T20:56:22.525+02:00The full video is up at Mutual of Omaha's Wild...The full video is up at <a href="http://www.wildkingdom.com" rel="nofollow">Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom</a>.Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28119246306039508042010-02-15T20:37:28.504+02:002010-02-15T20:37:28.504+02:00"It's obviously the tape Liba and Shannon..."It's obviously the tape Liba and Shannon discuss on the tape, and those are definitely their voices on the tape. Liba is worried if it's proof, and she never expresses outrage of a fraud, only worry if you can really see everything."<br />What you are saying is that Leba saw and knew of this tape prior to it being released to public? why would she want such a tape in existence??would'nt she yell at shannon for doing this at the time? something is missing in this story...and the tape does look like it was doctored...Tapefraudnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28899890419722430642010-02-15T20:29:29.928+02:002010-02-15T20:29:29.928+02:00What is particularly disturbing, is this man's...What is particularly disturbing, is this man's credentials:<br /><br />He had 4 semichas, one of them from rav Shach, and one from R' Zolti.<br /><br />He had backing of R Eliashiv, who is a Giant in Torah, and is relied upon to see things as they are. He had close relshp with R' Feinstein, who is an American rabbinic leader.<br /><br />He wrote several books. <br /><br />He was a Rosh Yeshiva.<br /><br />He was advertised in trash papers like Yated as a serious figure.<br /><br />This cannot be explained, unless the system that supported it was deeply flawed.<br /><br />Furthermore - the same system is keeping silent about him now.<br /><br />That implies guilt, and / or collusion in some of his other activities.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-34682929873652682342010-02-15T19:58:39.187+02:002010-02-15T19:58:39.187+02:00Made me think about the conversion of the girl re...Made me think about the conversion of the girl revoked by Tropper and the EJF. <br /><br />I wonder if he tried to force her into threesome as well.Gabrielanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-68032262818646673272010-02-15T17:35:37.625+02:002010-02-15T17:35:37.625+02:00I just saw the video on Troppergate.com for someon...I just saw the video on Troppergate.com for someone who knows him for over a year it is very clear that it is him, even though it is taped in a dark room with a bad camera.<br /><br /> He is not wearing tan pants, this is a cheap camera with night vision taped in a dark room, and things that are dark look light. <br /><br />It is funny how people are so quick to find any little excuse to right away say it is not Tropper.<br /><br />Does it make sense to the conspiracy theorists out there, that someone would go to the extent of making a big production, hiring 3 actors who looks exactly like them, rent a hotel room, and then forget to get the actor who looks exactly like Tropper, a black suit?<br /><br />Grow up people!Tan pantsnoreply@blogger.com