tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post1292486628949961970..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Woman - abused as child - more likely to have autistic childrenDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-36276823864083805822013-03-22T02:21:39.227+02:002013-03-22T02:21:39.227+02:00Eddie the study does not provide a mechanism but m...Eddie the study does not provide a mechanism but merely suggests the possiblity. The study is a correlational study not an experiment. <br /><br />I disagree with your rejection of my hypothesis. Autism is more commonly diagnosised in rich families but it isn't established that they have greater amounts of autism.<br /><br />Bottom line - the data that exists now doesn't give a clear cut answer to causal relationships for autismDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29193151075602061692013-03-22T02:02:36.258+02:002013-03-22T02:02:36.258+02:00The study does provide a mechanism of stress hormo...The study does provide a mechanism of stress hormones. It is also a complex relationship with genetics, and I would add epigenetics.<br /><br />The poorer families/abuse/malnuntiriton links you provide are totally unrealsitic. Here is a report of a study that found autism is more prominent in richer families.<br /><br />http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/99128024.html<br /><br />In any case, we are not discussing the cause of autism per se, but the inter-generational effects of severe abuse and stress.<br /><br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-12257118027227525392013-03-22T00:15:17.645+02:002013-03-22T00:15:17.645+02:00Eddie you are accepting a correlational relationsh...Eddie you are accepting a correlational relationship as causal. <br />The study claims that mothers who were abaused as children are more likely to have autistic children. Not aware of evidence that stress causes autism.<br /><br />Alternative explanation - abuse - especially severe abuse is more likely to be found in poor families. Poor families are less likely to provide adequate nutrition. Children who are malnutritioned are more like to have autistic children.<br /><br />Bottom line - the study has not established causality nor have they established a valid mechanism for abuse leading to autismDaas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-32690690754868133542013-03-21T23:35:36.853+02:002013-03-21T23:35:36.853+02:00OK, this article suggests that stress related horm...OK, this article suggests that stress related hormones as a result of abuse can cause damage not only to the child, but also when the child grows up and has children, can damage her children by way of autism. <br /><br />Thus, it is sating that there are physiological symptoms of stress caused by abuse, which are so severe that they can go on to damage a baby, who itself was not necessarily abused (only the mother was when she was a child).<br /><br />In previous posts it was suggested that trauma did not exist in the past, and is only a result of modern psychology. <br /><br />The physiological-psychological link is well established. The article suggests that the stress causes physiological changes. How exactly can "modern psychology" be responsible for certain physiological changes, which is what you are claiming?<br /><br />To put the theory another way, you are suggesting that yes, Modern Psychology is more powerful than serious abuse, since in the past there was no psychology and only today have we identified trauma. <br /><br />As a scientific theory, I think it would fail dismally. There is too much circular logic. <br />Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84272975009544679422013-03-21T23:03:45.582+02:002013-03-21T23:03:45.582+02:00Eddie I really don't understand your comment. ...Eddie I really don't understand your comment. Could you try again.Daas Torahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-45428920286721922022013-03-21T22:27:24.809+02:002013-03-21T22:27:24.809+02:00Can you bring any Halachic sources for this?
It k...Can you bring any Halachic sources for this?<br /><br />It kind of blows away DT's theory that we "created" trauma.Ben MIkrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122937371918515052noreply@blogger.com