tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post1217003303938707536..comments2024-03-28T21:30:33.665+02:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Israel's Fateful Elections: Charedim Rising by RaPDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-62420804726943402262015-03-20T11:15:36.570+02:002015-03-20T11:15:36.570+02:00@Ben - I didn't delete anything - checked spam...@Ben - I didn't delete anything - checked spam and delete folders - not there<br /><br />try againDaas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50411745097637606602015-03-20T08:45:14.704+02:002015-03-20T08:45:14.704+02:00nice. i present a dissenting opinion and it gets d...nice. i present a dissenting opinion and it gets deleted.Ben Waxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-29248273953595797312015-03-18T19:32:25.937+02:002015-03-18T19:32:25.937+02:00The Chareidi parties, with their 13 seats, will in...The Chareidi parties, with their 13 seats, will indeed be in this forthcoming government. This is good, and a big relief.<br /><br />However, I cannot stop but wonder:<br /><br />Imagine Deri and Shass would have compromised with Yishai, accepted his proposal to merge and represent two parties under one flag - similar to Gimel representing Degel and Agudah (and what the Arabs did).<br /><br />Imagine UTJ would have compromised with Hapeles/Bnei Torah, and represented Gimel(3) parties.<br /><br />The Chareidim would then have <strong>18-20</strong> seats.<br /><br />Netanyahu would then be able to form a coalition without Bennett. The Chareidim would then be able to scale back all the damage Lapid has done.<br /><br />While Yishai and Deri may have some big ideological disagreements, it is not that big.<br /><br />While Degel and Hapeles may have some big ideological disagreements, is it really that big?Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54282971883669220342015-03-17T21:52:34.902+02:002015-03-17T21:52:34.902+02:00Rav Shteinman is a great leader and Gadol haDor. R...Rav Shteinman is a great leader and Gadol haDor. Rav Auerbach is also a great Torah scholar and Gadol haDor. I may not agree with either of them in so far as "politics" is concerned, but I often find wisdom/chochma in many things they say. <br /><br />As i am getting older i am realising that there is chochma even behind the ideas and statements that one doesn't necessarily agree with. <br /><br />more to the point, it is interesting that elections are so significant , since democracy is not always a god thing in some religious circles, unless you have the power to squeeze something out of it. Indeed, it certainly goes agasint certain Daas torah notions to have democracy in absolut decision making.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-58290805571529490542015-03-17T10:48:46.787+02:002015-03-17T10:48:46.787+02:00I do have a job.
Right now it includes going fro...<em>I do have a job.</em><br /><br /><br />Right now it includes going from blog to blog calling Mr. Lipman a 'hareid "leader"'.Honestynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-54391636563716290752015-03-17T07:25:16.767+02:002015-03-17T07:25:16.767+02:00I don't know if my comment is in moderation or...I don't know if my comment is in moderation or not, so I'll try again. I do have a job. I work with Israel's working poor. Yesh Atid is the only party who is actually helping them and who will help them more. So I think it's vitally important that Yesh Atid is in the next government. That is why I am telling people about Lipman and Yesh Atid. Because the poor of Israel need them there. <br /><br />Don't believe me? Ask the experts:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/R4IVBydqJZoIsrael Futurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5828727829626887502015-03-17T07:01:10.032+02:002015-03-17T07:01:10.032+02:00And there is a distinction to be made between bein...And there is a distinction to be made between being anti-charedi and being anti-the-charedi -parties-destructive-policies. Israel Futurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24641205280494536312015-03-17T06:59:47.813+02:002015-03-17T06:59:47.813+02:00I think you will be surprised tonight. I think you will be surprised tonight. Israel Futurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-80748085587766629822015-03-17T06:59:05.362+02:002015-03-17T06:59:05.362+02:00I think its really important that Yesh Atid gets i...I think its really important that Yesh Atid gets in. <br />I do have a job working with israels working poor. Yesh atid is the only party working to help them. <br />Thats why I am putting in the time encouraging people to consider voting for them.<br />Watch this video to see how they are helping. ..<br /><br />http://yeshatidunofficialblog.blogspot.co.il/2015/01/what-do-israels-social-and-professional.html?m=1<br />Israel Futurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-50376127431169760522015-03-16T23:42:47.955+02:002015-03-16T23:42:47.955+02:00As I don't read Yated cover to cover, I was re...As I don't read Yated cover to cover, I was relying upon you and therefore related it in your name.<br /><br /><br />OK, now that we've established that you're reporting faithfully what he said, please explain why, according to that statement, Rav Shmuel Auerbach and religious people who vote anyhitng other than gimmel are NOT advocating or causing a Chillul HASHEM.<br /><br /><br />Isn't that what he said?<br /><br /><br />I know that we don't have a lot to work with, as he spoke for only 50 seconds, but why shouldn't we accept him at his word?Shlomo2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-57414273467035951652015-03-16T23:39:01.088+02:002015-03-16T23:39:01.088+02:00And if someone is not creative, as most of us are ...And if someone is not creative, as most of us are not, should they be confined to a life of poverty? I don't think that most people in the frum community in the US are making a great parnossa from what I see.Humble Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-33386303040312587692015-03-16T23:08:06.932+02:002015-03-16T23:08:06.932+02:00Stop running around on every blog and blabbering a...Stop running around on every blog and blabbering about Lipman! Do you honestly think you are convincing anyone? Do you have a job?Dugout Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-83282035082939329702015-03-16T22:04:47.374+02:002015-03-16T22:04:47.374+02:00To respond to just a couple of your points:
1:It ...To respond to just a couple of your points: <br />1:It is not hotheaded teenagers at the forefront of the intimidation. R' Chaim Kanievsky said that the Chadera yeshiva should be closed because they would not fire rabbei'im who support R' S. Auerbach. There are ma'aim bechol yom here in Irael where cheder Rabbeim have been dismissed, avreichim have been thrown out of their kollels, etc., for not toeing the party line. This is not the work of hotheaded teenagers.<br />2: You seem to be under the impression that there is something like a heavyweight championship belt worn by "the Gadol Hador," that gets passed on to the next "champion" upon the death of the previous one. I have no idea what the basis for this idea is Judaism. Please clarify.<br />3: Again, the fact that no current Chassidish rebbe can claim to be the leader of all of Torah jewry is irrelevant, and in fact is my entire point. Belzer chassidim will tell you that the Belzer Rebbe is the highest Torah authority in their eyes, talmidim of R' Dovid Soloveitchik will say the same, as will Erloi chassidim (at least until the Rebbe's recent health issues) and so on and so forth.Yehoshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-5752755632482453862015-03-16T21:23:28.564+02:002015-03-16T21:23:28.564+02:00Dov Lipman will almost certainly in all probabilit...Dov Lipman will almost certainly in all probability NOT be part of the next Knesset given that the rabidly secularist ANTI-Charedi Yesh Atid party he joined is slated to lose seats and he is very low down on their Knesset totem pole. So he is history/toast and it's time to forget what he got himself into, mostly Chillul Hashem!RaP_Commentarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-46265674046702767102015-03-16T21:11:01.452+02:002015-03-16T21:11:01.452+02:00Humble Jew what you say does NOT reflect any shade...Humble Jew what you say does NOT reflect any shade of Charedi opinion really, so why waste words when you are talking about a different set of conditions and expectations that are not identified or identifiable with usual Charedi thinking from any sector.RaP_Commentarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-78239737428215259282015-03-16T21:07:41.390+02:002015-03-16T21:07:41.390+02:00"According to RAP, Rav Shteinman says that th..."<i>According to RAP, Rav Shteinman says that there are only two choices: To Vote (Kiddush Hashem) or not vote (Chillul Hashem).</i>"<br /><br />Umm Shlomo2 I read the American Yated from from cover to cover and that is what they reported that Rav Shteinman said. Check it out and don't act (deaf &) dumb please.I would never make up such things. So yes, Rav Shteinman actually said that, sorry that you don't like, but he was very clear and that was his main message. Ignore it at your own peril.<br /><br />The rest of the stuff you say is just very silly and not worth commenting on.RaP_Commentarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-24623821676865720872015-03-16T20:40:27.974+02:002015-03-16T20:40:27.974+02:00"Charedim and all types of Religious Jews wil..."Charedim and all types of Religious Jews will come to dominate Israel without any hindrance from secular harassment."<br /><br /><br />Is this bloc like the others that only look out for themselves or does it have a basic grasp of what Israelis need on all levels, and of how to achieve it?RAM500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66524525502074979392015-03-16T18:03:26.655+02:002015-03-16T18:03:26.655+02:00Is Chareidi power really good for Chareidim? Perha...Is Chareidi power really good for Chareidim? Perhaps we would be better off if we were forced to get a decent education, go to the army (after yeshiva and marriage) and be able to make a decent parnossa. If we are unable to make rational decisions on our own, then some government prodding would be welcome. Same for child molesters, forced gittin, metzitza b'peh, etc.Humble Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-90739062293035939362015-03-16T18:03:14.674+02:002015-03-16T18:03:14.674+02:00News Flash: Rav Shmuel Auerbach Favors Chillul Has...News Flash: Rav Shmuel Auerbach Favors Chillul Hashem!<br /><br /><br />According to RAP, Rav Shteinman says that there are only two choices: To Vote (Kiddush Hashem) or not vote (Chillul Hashem).<br /><br /><br />Now that Rav Shmuel Auerbach has instructed his followers to boycott the election, that must mean that he advocates Chillul Hashem! <br /><br /><br />(BTW, I presume that Rav Shteinman actually meant to include in his Chillul Hashem pronouncement not only NOT voting, but voting for any party other than Gimmel. If that's the case, then a MAJORITY of Israel's religious voters advocate Chillul HASHEM!)Shlomo2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-14896913003283902522015-03-16T16:31:10.850+02:002015-03-16T16:31:10.850+02:00I don't think that the loss of political power...I don't think that the loss of political power is actually bad news for Haredi society in the long-run. On the contrary...<br /><br /><br />And I think that both Likud and Labor will jump into bed pretty quickly with the Haredi parties in the rush to form a coalition. Both will stand out of the way as the Haredi parties push their societies back into a lifestyle of dependency, isolationism and worse, extended poverty.<br /><br /><br />And there is one Haredi leader who is providing a way out of poverty for Haredi families. His name is Rabbi Dov Lipman. He is doing wonders to heal the rifts between Haredim and secular Israelis. May Hashem bless him forever for that. A true kiddush Hashem.<br /><br /><br />You can all vote for Yesh Atid and then perhaps we will be one step closer to actually being am echad belev echad as Haredim integrate more into Israeli society with the help of Dov Lipman.Israel Futurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-9878891123059436822015-03-16T14:08:31.631+02:002015-03-16T14:08:31.631+02:00This has nothing to do with whether I "like&q...This has nothing to do with whether I "like" Rav Shteinman or not (it happens to be that I do). It is about the campaign of intimidation and worse being carried out by his supporters who have in their head that he is some sort of infallible pope whose every pronouncement must be heeded as the word of God. Rav Shmuel Auebach is one of the gedolei hador in his own right, and is certainly entitled to his opinion, even if it runs counter to that of Rav Shteinman.Yehoshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-77682076736785777032015-03-16T12:56:17.035+02:002015-03-16T12:56:17.035+02:00Thank you Gerald. No doubt God will do His share b...Thank you Gerald. No doubt God will do His share because He always does! But for the last two years it has been the Israeli Charedim that have literally stood alone because Netanyahu abandoned them to the wolves that he brought into his governing coalition! And, right now Netanyahu is in the dock as this election is something of a referendum about his rule of the last two years which has been very erratic, unfriendly and hostile as far as Charedim are concerned. Ironically, it may the same Charedim that he stabbed in the back that bale him out with a more sensible coalition that reflects the Jewish people that includes Charedi Jews. Wednesday should be a fascinating day as we study the election's results.RaP_Commentarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-3464302980118737262015-03-16T12:39:14.668+02:002015-03-16T12:39:14.668+02:00Sorry you do not like Rav Shteinman. After the Pet...Sorry you do not like Rav Shteinman. After the Petirih of Rav Elyashiv ZT"L (of Yerushalayim) who was the acknowledged RASHKEBEHAG the mantle went to Rav Shteinman. Before Rav Elyashiv it was Rav Shach who was from Bnai Brak too. Do you have a better suggestion for who is the true RASHKEBEHAG? Right now that includes everyone in the UTJ camps, both Chasidim of Agudas Yisroel and Misnagdim of Degel HaTorah, that pretty much covers the MAJORITY of the Torah world of Chasidisha Rebbes and Litvisha Roshei Yeshiva. Sure there is always a MINORITY that does not agree and does not accept this. That is the beauty of a DEMOCRACY! have your druthers Yehoshua, no problem.RaP_Commentarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-13116506153538130402015-03-16T11:16:14.689+02:002015-03-16T11:16:14.689+02:00I do like the analysis. A win-win situation for T...I do like the analysis. A win-win situation for Torah. I refer<br />readers to my Torah thought on ויקהל-פקודי http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/16629#.VQada5sf7IU<br /><br />I say there: “When we received the Torah on Mount<br />Sinai, God made gifts to us. I feel God<br />is making gifts to us today such as the iron dome and other advances in<br />technology, to enable us to stand up to our brazen and cruel enemies. If<br />necessary, as Netanyahu said to US Congress, we could stand alone, with God’s<br />help.”Gerald Aranoffhttp://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=7Y27bY0AAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&pagesize=100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18568882255382825422015-03-16T10:55:02.185+02:002015-03-16T10:55:02.185+02:00Did you make a bracha achrona on your Bnei Brak ko...Did you make a bracha achrona on your Bnei Brak kool-aid? Rav Shteinman, the rashkebehag? Do you know what that is an acronym for? It is Rabban shel kol benei hagolah. Does "kol benei hagolah" mean only chareidim; sorry, Ashkenazi chareidim; sorry, Ashkenazi misnagdic chareidim; sorry, Ashkenazi misnagdic charieidim of non-German and non-Hungarian descent; sorry, Ashkenazi misnagdic charieidim on non-German and non-Hungarian descent who are not followers of Rav Shmuel Aurbach?Yehoshuanoreply@blogger.com