tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post1044399922759747160..comments2024-03-29T09:34:59.827+03:00Comments on Daas Torah - Issues of Jewish Identity: Rabbi Kraus follows in the footsteps of Rabbi Rackman in "solving" the Aguna problemDaas Torahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07252904288544083215noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-38597130078745689392014-11-25T23:00:11.954+02:002014-11-25T23:00:11.954+02:00Is he also linking wanting to end abuse/oppression...Is he also linking wanting to end abuse/oppression of women with fanatic feminism? I guess, then, I'm a proud fanatic feminist.brent kaufmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-84953080518212515312014-11-24T22:59:35.919+02:002014-11-24T22:59:35.919+02:00So its not a wake up call?So its not a wake up call?truthequals9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-51002271101785057812014-11-23T19:16:18.696+02:002014-11-23T19:16:18.696+02:00Will this "bet din" refuse to invite (se...Will this "bet din" refuse to invite (send hazmanot to) husbands?<br /><br />Will they go zablah with other batei din?<br /><br />Will they take cases from husbands whose wives refuse to appear before a bet din?<br /><br />Will they allow toanim (rabbinic attornies)?MiMedinat_HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-66907494684308210332014-11-23T15:29:43.382+02:002014-11-23T15:29:43.382+02:00fedup,
You are not alone. My brother and I have be...fedup,<br />You are not alone. My brother and I have been battling this alone for years. It is sad. But your protest is a holy thing and may you succeed. Actually, the problem is much worse than not protesting. The ones who are making a lot of damage are rosh yeshivas, such as the one in Philly who permits a woman to remarry without a GET. And nobody protests, as you said. I protested plenty in my new blog about marriage and divorce www.torahhalacha.blogspot.com. Very much, baruch HaShem, and people appreciate it, but today, it is getting worse all of the time.Dovid Eidensohnhttp://torahtimes.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-44449721146113141132014-11-23T14:23:16.957+02:002014-11-23T14:23:16.957+02:00rather nasty of you to invoke the Har Nof massacre...rather nasty of you to invoke the Har Nof massacre. Are you linking the 2 issues, or just appealing to emotion?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-65700971879283139992014-11-23T13:03:35.908+02:002014-11-23T13:03:35.908+02:00@Eddie a poskek or beis din can follow a minority ...@Eddie a poskek or beis din can follow a minority opinion - but it doesn't mean that it will be accepted by others. In cases of divorce and conversion it is critical that that the status be accepted by others. <br /><br />It doesn't look like the Kraus beis din will be accepted just as the Rackman beis din was not accepted.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-89732110717614490512014-11-23T12:46:31.653+02:002014-11-23T12:46:31.653+02:00"In general the accepted halacha is that a p..."In general the accepted halacha is that a person does not have to follow<br /> the majority unless all the parties discussed their reasoning publicly <br />and then a vole was taken - which was the case with Rabbi Eliezer."<br /><br />I didnt find the other quote I mentioned, but here is a post your previously wrote:<br /><br />http://daattorah.blogspot.dk/2011/04/majority-rule-of-halacha-is-not.html?m=1<br /><br /><br />So it seems that "majority" is not relevant in this case, unless R' Kraus' BD votes against him in the majority.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-49233734317411232232014-11-23T06:20:02.645+02:002014-11-23T06:20:02.645+02:00Joke: the robin and the frog were arguing over who...Joke: the robin and the frog were arguing over who has the best voice. They agreed to have a contest.<br /><br />Just then the pig sauntered by.<br /><br />"What's up?" snorted Pig.<br /><br />"I have the best voice!" chirped Robin.<br /><br />"I sing better!!" croaked Frog.<br /><br />They all agreed to let Pig judge.<br /><br />"Chirp, chirp, CHIRP," sang Robin.<br /><br />"Ribbit, ribbit, R-I-B-B-I-T", crooned Frog.<br /><br />Pig stroked his chin with a cleft hoof.<br /><br />"Oink," Pig said. "The winner is...Frog." Satisfied with his verdict, he rolled in the mud.<br /><br />Robin started crying.<br /><br />Frog was miffed by this. "Why are you crying, Robin? Didn't I win fair and square?"<br /><br />"Yeah-Yeah-Yes," Robin managed to get out between sobs.<br /><br />"Then why are you crying??" demanded Frog.<br /><br />Robin puffed out his chest in utter consternation. "Because look at my judge!"Joseph Orlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-79669817176152326862014-11-23T04:05:01.583+02:002014-11-23T04:05:01.583+02:00what a tragedy we see in klal yisroel especially a...what a tragedy we see in klal yisroel especially after the har Nof Massacre! Jews blatantly watering down, diluting and corrupting the Torah out of pressure from the feminist movement. The biggest tragedy IS TO STANDBY AND SEE NO RABBINIC AUTHORITY PROTESTING THIS OUTRAGEOUS BREACH OF THE TORAH. WHEN A JEW PUBLICLY DESECRATES THE TORAH BY RENDERING A FALSE AND UNETHICAL PSAK DIN WITHOUT BEING REPRIMANDED BY OTHERS OF AUTHORITY IS THE BIGGEST CHILUL HASHEM!!!fedupwithcorruptrabbisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-82181372876308216632014-11-23T01:36:24.278+02:002014-11-23T01:36:24.278+02:00I cant find the quote, it was in a talkback severa...I cant find the quote, it was in a talkback several years ago.<br /><br /><br />If R' Kraus bases his psak on R Goldberg, who has in turn clarified it not being halacha l'maaseh, (practical halacha), then he has a problem.<br /><br /><br />Zaken mamre - the reason is that it is given in the Torah. Anyway, I am not debating with you, but i will see if i can find your original quote.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-16510590778591241662014-11-22T23:20:16.640+02:002014-11-22T23:20:16.640+02:00R' Goldberg most likely was trying to avoid be...R' Goldberg most likely was trying to avoid being a modern day R' Eliezer, since he retracted his own comments, after pressure.<br /><br /><br />I don't know the exact words you used, but you said that R Eliezer was not obliged to follow the majority, and you brought another source/gemorah, where they said they only put him in Herem for social reasons, ie to show others not to behave like that.<br /><br /><br />in any case, the BD must make decisions on what is presented in front of it, and not succumb to external pressure, correct?Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-28409222189763520112014-11-22T22:52:51.534+02:002014-11-22T22:52:51.534+02:00@Eddie - you are missing my point. In Gittin and G...@Eddie - you are missing my point. In Gittin and Gerius it is not enough to find a minority view. In this case the minority is very small because their supposed source - Rav Zalman Nechmiah Goldberg - rejected this approach as legitimate in a case this summer and said he was merely commenting on a theoretical basis. In fact it might be limited to this beis and and a collection of feminists. that is an extremely poor basis for telling a woman that she is divorced.<br /><br />I don't see the relevance of Rabbi Eliezar. In that case he had G-d agreeing with him - you can't say that about this beis din. Even so he was put in cherem because he refused to follow the majority view. The Ramban said that if had been in the time of the Sanhedrin he would be a zaken mamre. <br /><br />Not sure what you mean by sociological reasons - what were my exact words?Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-30338799417919178972014-11-22T22:17:37.607+02:002014-11-22T22:17:37.607+02:00I like your answer, because you are saying that it...I like your answer, because you are saying that it is "unacceptable to the majority of frum Jews". Thus, you accept that a minority of frum Jews might find it accepable. <br /><br />A while back you presented a very interesting point about R' Eleazar in the Tannur of Aknai saga. You said he was not obliged to follow the majority of sages,and that they only put him in Herem for sociological reasons.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-18772857477667821192014-11-22T21:30:20.142+02:002014-11-22T21:30:20.142+02:00@Eddie there is no feud. This is a halachic questi...@Eddie there is no feud. This is a halachic question and they are answering in a way that is unacceptable to the majority of frum Jews.Daas Torahhttp://daattorah.blogspot.co.il/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7309929059139673041.post-60363725731588072942014-11-22T19:28:20.892+02:002014-11-22T19:28:20.892+02:00This is an interesting development. Of course, th...This is an interesting development. Of course, the naysayers will reject everything coming from this BD. however, threats of violence should not be made by either side. Remember, the path of Moshe and Aharon was to promote peace between feuding Israelites.Eddienoreply@blogger.com