Unbelievable! How many organizations did this one woman and her cohorts concoct?
"Beis Din of Quebec" "Vaad Shelo Leharbos prutzos B'Yisroel" "Vaad Hatznius d'Flatbush" "Beit din of Mill Basin and Marine Park"
I think I missed a couple. Unbelievable. All of these organizations do not exist. These are concocted names of non-existent organizations created just to slander her adversaries (people she liked and she then turned on.... usual for people who were forced away from their parents and went from foster care home to foster care home...). So sad.
The judge is saying very clearly that Rivky Stein is illegally attempting to prevent the innocent children from seeing their father and is using the police to report lies in her vicious effort towards that goal.
So not only is she a rodef and a moser reporting a Jewish man to the non-Jewish authorities and having him jailed multiple times on false charges, but she is abusing her children.
She is an unfit mother and everything should be legally done in court to remove her having custody of the innocent children.
I agree with only half of what you are saying Moe, Perhaps has done mesira and redifa in the past. Remember, a rodef and moser only applies as they do it. A bad mother ? Perhaps. But not worse than all other divorced mothers who play games with visitation. I think the measuring stick of bad parent, is whether the child/ren are better off in by her/him, foster care, or by the other parent. Does Yoeli even want custody ? I've heard he doesn't.
You're incorrect. Reread it. It is very clear that the judge issued a ruling against Stein in this order and issued a court order that she can no longer file police reports unless she first notified Yoel's lawyer and first gets permission from the court - because, in the judge's words "plaintiff [Rivky Stein] has abused the judicial process by filing repeated malicious and false complaints with the police resulting in four arrests of the defendant, each com,plaint arrest occurring within one day after the defendant sought access to the parties children or complained about being denied access, and a temporary order of protection directing the plaintiff to remain away from the defendant at all places except for court ordered visitation, and for other and further relief".
1) Now that you confirmed and came together on August 6 at the "E72nd" Street address in Brooklyn, why didn't the "beit din" papers you sent to Yoel Weiss state that address clearly on all the documents it sent him in the first place, and if it was a mistake, why didn't they issue a clarification?
2) If the "E72nd" Street address was always the "right address" why was the non-existent address at "E77nd" Street continuously and deliberately typed on all the original documents that were sent to Yoel Weiss by the "beit din" and why did you keep on repeating the wrong (alternate) deceptive address at "E77nd" all the way through, even as the meet-up date on August 6 approached?
3) Why did you choose the address of a Chabad house at "E72nd" Street as the "official address" of your "beit din" if no Chabad rabbis were involved? Or were they? How was a group of strangers coming for a "get" ceremony let in to the premises if as that Chabad alleges it did not know of any "beit din" -- can you explain this entire perplexing "arrangement"?
4) Were ALL the original three "rabbis" -- Chaim Taub, David Binyamin Abales, Yehoshua Goodman --on the documents you sent Yoel Weiss present on August 6 at "E72nd" Street? If yes, which ones were there, and if not, why not? Can anyone confirm this reliably and can someone please confirm the backgrounds and credentials (yeshivas where they learned, type of semicha they hold etc) of these supposed "rabbis'?
5) Why couldn't Yoel Weiss reach any of the original three "rabbis" for months after he had received the documents with his name on it, nor could he reach any of them on the day they supposedly gathered August 6, why was that?
6) You claimed one of the original rabbis was "sitting shiva in Israel" who was he and why couldn't you provide a phone number to reach him?
7) Who were the other "rabbis" that you assembled as "alternates" for the "beit din" at "E72nd" Street on August 6 and can this be confirmed by anyone reliable?
8) Why did the pro-Aguna ORA organization eventually publicly deny any connections with you and your "beit din"?
9) Why did The Jewish Press a pro-Aguna paper abruptly withdraw its endorsement of your "beit din" without further explanation?
10) Why did you permit a reporter from the New York Daily News (Blau) to become involved in negotiating on your behalf on August 6? Did you or the "beit din" authorize him to do this? Who (rabbis or poskim, besides your mysterious "beit din") has approved your use of the media as a tool to attack Yoel Weiss?
11) The name "Uziel (Uzi) Frankel" keeps on being mentioned in relation to you and the "beit din" who is he and what role does he play in all of this?
12) Do any rabbis in the neighborhoods of Marine Park and Mill Basin, or does any reliable genuine bais din or poskim or gedolim approve of and use or even know about the "Beit Din Zedek of Marine Park & Mill Basin"? If not why not?
You are getting lost in legalese... judges are forced to navigate suits and counter suits all the time. Anyhow it's all irrelevant to the get which yoel should give. No one here has given a good reason why he shouldn't give it.
He should give it when all other outstanding divorce related issues are first resolved. It has always been the normal practice that a Get is given last, after all other issues are first resolved. In fact Rav Moshe has a teshuva saying this is the proper halachic way to do it.
This is an Order to Show Cause, which is an order from a judge directing a party to explain why the court should not enter a specific order. The Order gave her until February 20, 2014 to respond. Presumably she did and the court did not enter the order.
The court did enter the order and after that she never again was able to, and didn't, file any more police complaints or order of protections against him.
ELamdan................... Daas Torah already mentioned it numerous times that it's based on the psak of the שולחן ערוך and Poskim, what is to be applied all across the board by all Jews especially for those that are included in the category of orthodox Jews.
2) It isn't just that psak. Even if Rav Moshe's psak didn't exist, that is how Gittin procedures have been handled for time immemorial.
3) You have explained no reason why in this case he should be forced to give a Get upfront before the resolution of all outstanding divorce issues when that is how it is normally done and has been for centuries back until today.
it depends on how the particular divorce is proceeding. There are particulars that you are ignoring. Example, are certain matters already being litigated in secular court? How long have the couple been separated? You can't pasken off one line in shulchan aruch or a teshuva because there are details that need to be taken into account. In cases like these where there is litigation already being taken up in secular courts and the couple has been separated there is no question that a get needs to be given.
Yehoshua is correct. The judge is simply asking that rivky explain why Yoel is incorrect... i.e. she wants her to present her side of the story. It is amazing to me how we keep seeing evidence and proof from this blog and none of it is actual evidence... it is just filings from Yoel or rant phone calls from Yoel. No evidence whatsoever. Defenders of Yoel just see what they want to see!
If you don't like Shulchan Aruch and the Igros Moshe just come out and publicly say so.
Suing in arka'os, secular court, is an extreme violation of Jewish Law. That itself is reason not give the Get until the secular court suits are ended.
The languages in the judge's order has the judge herself saying that Stein abused the judicial process by filing repeated malicious and false complaints. She then ordered Stein not to file any more police reports without the court's permission.
ELamdan............................................ Yehoshua & you are incorrect bc the court did enter the order and after that she never again was able to, and didn't, file any more police complaints or order of protection against him. That's the real fact.
I'm not going against Igros Moshe or Shulchan Aruch. I'm saying that each case is different and some cases call for the application of a different seif in shulchan aruch or a different teshuva from R' Moshe. Same thing with suing in erkaos. Look at the seminary case in which Rabbi Feurst himself is behind the lawsuit in a secular court. You need to know how to apply the halacha.
All of this aside from the fact that you continue to miss the most basic point. Beis Din is a mechanism for one party to extract something from another party. It is only needed when the two sides cannot come to an agreement. But on the issue of giving the get there is no reason he should not give it. There is no reason that she should even have to take him to beis din. This is a point continuously overlooked by you and the baal hablog.
True. However, it is not always the smartest thing to do. There is right, and there is smart. But, I will let Yoeli decide what he thinks is smart. I will insert my three cents though.
@eLamdan - you simply don't understand halacha and you have no understanding of this case. You just keep repeating things over and over again. Please stop.
Why don't we turn this around? If Yoel is correct why can't he get a beis din that is well-known and reputable to issue a psak that he need not give a get. Go to the RCA beis din and ask them for a written psak that he can post on the internet. Then we can settle this supposed "halachic" argument. Rivky already went to a beis din and got an order. Let him do the same from a "better" beis din. If he has halachic standing this should not be a problem. Why is the burden of proof on her? Especially when she has already produced a document from a beis din!
@eLamdan - you don't seem to understand - she did not go to a beis din. He doesn't need to go to a beis din for a psak as long as she is still fighting with with a RICO claim
Asher: Why do you think it is smarter to give the Get while other divorce issues are still pending unresolved (and as discussed normal cases the Get comes after that) AND his wife is illegally (per halacha) suing him in secular court?
You agree he has strong ground to not yet give the Get. Why do you think it would be smarter he give it now anyways?
The only possible benefit is he can start looking to get remarried earlier. There are no other benefits than that. And he may very well have decided he is not yet ready to date yet, especially while he is undergoing vicious attacks by his current wife. Then there is absolutely no benefit at all.
Additionally, he could get a heter meah if he does want to start looking to remarry while his current wife is still violating him.
There are many benefits in not giving the Get earlier than halacha requires. Namely his wife knows she will not get a Get until she stops violating him in contravention of halacha. This gives her a large incentive to cease her attacks on him in secular courts, police, public pronouncements and any other ways she is infringing on his halachic rights.
Catskills 1......................... Certainly........ Rivky has been proven by her own picked secular erkoois court system, that she has been lying on all her mesirois to the secular authorities. .... She has to first get all secular court cases dismissed and go to a bais din with the right credentials to negotiate the custody/visitation issues, and only after all that is settled, she'll be entitled to request the get. That's according to the Haluchah. But, I'd assume that Yoily would give her one more chance to get together all the 3 original rabbis. Rabbi Taub is already now over with sitting Shivah, so let the other 2 rabbis (abales&Goodman) come back again to the B"D along with Taub, so we'll now all 3. I am 100% positive that if rivky will produce those all 3 orig rabbis w/proof of identity thru gov ID, and by also proving their credentials in having semichah & experience for how to perform a get etc, that he will then be willing be giving the get even though that the court cases & the custody issues are still pending....... So Rivky should now make the right decisions for whatever
She did go to a beis din -- the one you claim is a "fabricated" one. A claim with no evidence that sounds like a conspiracy theory. As far as anyone knows she has the signature of three dayanim and she went to that address with a bunch of Rabbis two of which she said were the very same dayanim. Now, let's see something from Yoel to counteract that. And I don't mean things that refute her evidence. He needs hard evidence that backs him up. Refuting her is not evidence (and he has not even successfully refuted her). What he needs is real signatures from real and respected dayanim who back up his side of the story. It should be easy to get if he is telling the truth. So instead of slander - let's see the signatures from real Rabbis. Go to the Rabbi Fuerst in Chicago or the RCA or whatever well known beis din he wants stating that he does not need to give a get or whatever. Why can't he do that???
1. You are 100 percent right when it comes to what he is mechuyav. He doesn't owe her anything regardless of her "violating" him. Kal V'chomer all the legitimate taynos on her.
However,
1. Did you stop for a second and think that perhaps all her actions or many of them were to put pressure on him to give a GET ? Perhaps she is scared ? Not as strong as all her outward actions would show ?
2. Perhaps things will settle themselves as soon as a GET is given. I am talking about everything besides visitation. ( I doubt the arrests, RICO, excessive demands for support, etc.. are anything other than steam which is being blown for the cause of jockeying for position in court, or public opinion, or for pressure for a GET)
3. Most, all of the court demands she has will lose as they are without merit. This is regardless of a GET. Her claims against him are mostly air. So, anything that she is claiming that is rediculous will not happen anyway. The courts were not born yesterday. It's not the first contentious divorce in Brooklyn county of kings.
4. If I thought that all her claims in court were real, I would agree with you. Don't give a GET and lose your kids, lose 480 million, go to jail for 10 years, etc... However, having been around the block once, I think the only thing missing here are experienced negotiators, who can solve this in a matter of hours.
5. Do you think by not giving a GET you solve the problems ? Do you think she will drop her claims if she isn't getting the GET ? What motivation does she have to come down from the tree ? Do you think you will force her down from the tree easily ? It can take years to bring her to her knees, but with a little bending it can be done in hours. Those are years that are filled with anger and misery. Years where no one moves on. Years that nothing is accomplished. Years that relationships with children are broken.
6. I hear all the geniuses on here taking the strong approach. Screaming "Don't give a GET". These geniuses don't know the pain of his, nor hers. They are doing a disservice to him, and her. Nor are they being helpful at resolving this. This, and all divorces are really "simple" to solve. He has to agree to give her a GET, she has to agree to let him see the children. He has to agree to support his kids. End of claims. We on the side have to edge them towards these obvious goals.
Yoily is more a Tzadik then smart. He's 100% doing the right thing. He shouldn't encourage other women seeking divorce to c"v copy to do the same sins (from the worst ones) to c"v also become a Moser&rodef w/making up sheker allegations to ח"ו get arrested innocent men and then make them spend tens or hundreds of thousand dollars to defend themselves from those false allegations in the secular system. ר' יואל חזק ואמץ !י
She did go to a beis din -- the one you claim is a "fabricated" one. A claim with no evidence that sounds like a conspiracy theory. As far as anyone knows she has the signature of three dayanim and she went to that address with a bunch of Rabbis two of which she said were the very same dayanim.
Repeating the same stupid lie over and over and over and over doesn't make any of it true, nor believable.
She can't produce any information about those three supposed "rabbis". * Not a picture * Not where they reside * Not where they learnt * Not a respectable rabbi who has ever heard of this "beit din" or any of it's supposed members.
Additionally, their supposed "psak" doesn't look like any psak ever published by a legitimate beis din. Oh yes, and they paskend against someone they never met!
If you were really so sure she is a rodephes, and you are so holy, why wouldn't you follow Rav kahana Baba Kama 117a ? Stop the nonsense. She is not a rodephes. She went to arkaos. When she had him arrested, she may have been prior to his arrest. Do you have a prominent Posek who agrees with you ?
1) Did you stop for a second and think that perhaps all her actions... were to put pressure on him to give a GET ?
Her actions in court were not for a get. She began immediately with orders of protection and insane accusations in court. She accused him of molesting his kids over two years ago. She wen't from "You can't pay the rent this month (without my help!), 'I'm leaving you'" to court the very next morning!
Had she gone to serious and competent mediator, you'd have a possibility to claim she was trying to resolve things.
2) Perhaps things will settle themselves as soon as a GET is given.
Perhaps things will settle themselves if a get is given now, and perhaps they won't. Rav Moshe Feinstein was as smart and as shrewd as you are, and understood that things usually don't just settle themselves. Anyone with experience in these cases knows that things don't just settle themselves.
3) all of the court demands she has will lose as they are without merit.
An irrelevant point. In the words of Raymond J Donovan "Which office do I go to to get my reputation back?" Rivky has to cease this disgusting fruitless war, and she has to apologize for what she's done.
Why hasn't she approached a legitimate mediator in sincerity?!
4) I think the only thing missing here are experienced negotiators, who can solve this in a matter of hours.
No. She has refused to go to mediators. Instead, she hired guys to record Yoel for many, many , many hours. She refused to go to a legitimate Beis Din, instead choosing to fabricate one.
There's also a pattern here. She goes after her perceived adversaries by publicizing the most outrageous slanders - all under the name of a new supposed "organization" she concocted. The documents are all here for viewing.
Here's a sampling:
"Beis Din of Quebec" "Vaad Shelo Leharbos prutzos B'Yisroel" "Vaad Hatznius d'Flatbush" "Beit din of Mill Basin and Marine Park"
All non-existent organizations. All used to publicly condemn and slander the people she's fighting. Skilled negotiators cannot solve this type of personality!
5) Do you think by not giving a GET you solve the problems ?
No. And yes. The old problems don't necessarily become resolved through this. However, it prevent's certain new problems. Many new problems would be created if the get was given now, with this type of personality. Again, Rav Moshe Feinstein was a smart as you, and smarter, and says to wait until things are resolved.
6)I hear all the geniuses on here... Screaming ...These geniuses don't know the pain of his, nor hers. They are doing a disservice to him, and her.
It would be nice if you take note of your words and heed your advice. She chose to go public. She chose never to negotiate. She chose to cast off mediators as well as legitimate Botei Din. A legitimate Beis Din also serves as mediation - since their responsibility is to try to first have a "pshara" - a negotiated settlement.
The onus is on her to begin a process of making repairs.
If you were really so sure she is a rodephes, and you are so holy, why wouldn't you follow Rav kahana Baba Kama 117a ?
Do you have a prominent Posek who agrees with you ?
Rav Shlomo Miller paskened the same thing by a different woman who also made use of Shira Dicker. He's just as smart and holy as you are. So please, stop the nonsense!
She did all that and he still did not show up which is exactly what will happen if she does it again. It will just be a waste of her time - Yoel gives us no reason to believe otherwise. The fact is that no evidence has been forthcoming to show that her beis din is a sham. If Yoel wants to make a case, he now needs to go to a beis din and bring evidence to back himself up. This should be easy to do. Why can't he do it?
The burden of proof at this point has shifted to Yoel - that much is clear.
When do we ever demand that a beis din produce pictures and biographies?? She even showed up with two of the three and a famous sofer all ready to go and he didn't come. That was his big opportunity to prove that the beis din was a sham. That is why the burden of proof rests with him. And if all you defenders of Yoel are correct, then why can't he just go to a beis din and get a simple letter stating that the cherem and siruv are wrong and that he does not need to give a get.
1. From what we've seen, she hadn't been seeking a Get until several months ago when she started losing face in the secular court room when the judges started knocking down her arguments and accusations. That is when, two years after seperating without asking for a Get, that she started demanding a Get - and went on a public campaign for it despite not having sought it privately for long.
2. The above demonstrates that even if he gives her a Get TODAY, she will continue her legal and psychological war against her then ex-husband unabated. There is no reason to think she'll reduce the intensity of her war after receiving a Get.
The RICO suit is her response to him having gotten visitation. A Get wont end her war against him having a relationship with his children.
3. This is another reason to wait to give the Get after all these issues are settled and thrown out by court or however they end. This doesn't give any reason to give a Get earlier than a Get is given in normal Get cases - when other issues are settled.
4. You are correct it could be settled in hours, but she isn't looking to settle - which is the reason it hasn't been settled in two years. She is looking to hurt her husband. Giving a Get, as I described above, wont end her war.
5. As long as she doesn't get a Get she is afraid she'll never get it and will be stuck for the rest of her life while he gets a heter meah or otherwise remarries. This is a humongous incentive for her to settle so she can get a Get.
6. His pain wont end with his giving a Get. Especially if she continually wages war after the Get, as all indications show she will. He should get a heter meah and move on while letting his lawyers deal with her while he moves on.
I think the great error here is the flawed assumption that getting a Get will cause her to ease up in her wrongdoing.
You really think she invented organizations and siruvs and put on fake signatures and brought Rabbis to the address of the beis din and pretended they were from that beis din? Do you think we faked the moon landing?? Who killed JFK? Was it perhaps the aliens of Area 51??? Maybe she was behind 9/11 too?
@eLamdan - do you really think Rivky - after being accused repeatedly and publicly of having fake beis din - would not offer proof the beis din exists and it showed up?
The entire proof that 2 of the dayanim showed up was Rivky's claim. There are no witnesses and no photographs. No pictures of their drivers license or semicha. the fact that Rabbi Lichter who has written 95% of NYC Gitten did not know them and could not testify that they were there - strongly indicates that Rivky is liying.
At this time the only question is whether the 3 men actually exist. They definitely did not show up - but she brought substitute bodies. Hopefully I will be able to produce stronger written testimony that the beis din is fake that should convince the strongest "Rivky believer" in the next few weeks.
Reality is finally closing in on Rivky and she will be revealed to all for the shameful production she has produced.
She told him over the phone, as you can hear in the recording, that the two dayanim weren't there because they were "stuck in traffic" and the third one couldn't come altogether.
When do we ever demand that a beis din produce pictures and biographies??
I have a "psak" from a Beis din that you are a child molester, rapist, mechalel Shabbos, don't keep tahras hamishpocha etc etc. Just a moment until I post it (I need to finish typing it!). It also says to disregard all your lies you post here. The "psak" states that every word you wrote is a lie.
She even showed up with two of the three and a famous sofer
No, she didn't. None of the "three" were there!
The sofer, who writes over 90% of gitten in NY made it clear that he was called by Ezra Stein to write the get. He was upset that the media was there. He explicitly asked not to be photographed.
You photographed him. You eve publicized those photos!
You provided no photos of the supposed "dayonim".
You are on recording saying that you don't need those three to be there!
That was his big opportunity to prove that the beis din was a sham.
Indeed, it was proven then that this "beit din" is a sham!
All your points are really one point. You are convinced that " she really doesn't want a get, what she wants is to hurt Yoeli". Therefore, things will never settle down and Yoeli's life after he gives a GET will only be the same, without the GET leverage.
1. Not true. She really wants a GET. I promise you, without even knowing her, she wants a GET.
2. In all contentious gittin I know of, as soon as the GET was given, and the visitation schedule set, child support set, everything quieted down.
3. The solution here is to give the GET with a child support and visitation schedule, a dismissal of all previous claims. I am simplifying, but it is pretty simple. I don't believe that if you put that straight on the table she would reject it.
4. I am saying all this only as in YOELI's best interest. Forget about Rivky's interests. They are immaterial. I am far from naive. There is a time for war, and a time for peace. Now, is actually the time for peace. Peace with your enemy is priceless. Especially, if she is crazy, angry, and holding on to your child/ren.
Hi first of all there where three people there who have video of the whole thing and not one of her three rabbis where there. if you like you can Email me @ yoelsweiss@gmail.com
Hmlamdan............ she didn't do it all that. She very clearly did NOT have all the 3 Rabbis, EVEN according to HER own (made up) version (and even about the other 2 there's no pictures of them or of their driving ID). The only picture she produced was the Sofer that wasn't appointed by the b"d, but have been ordered to be showing up by Rivky's brother Ezra Stein; BTW, this Sofer, rabbi Lichter, jr [between himself and his father rabbi Lichter, senior (I think that the father already passed on) they did (the son is B"H still doing for many more years) for the last 50-60 yrs 95% of NYC metropolitan gittin] he said that he doesn't know at all the ppl that were by the Chabad House e72, except 2 ppl ; he said he knew one guy named rabbi Berlin, that is no affiliated with any b"d, and another one that is known to be a dangerous gangster (that didn't give his wife a get for like 12 or 14 years); Rabbi Lichter also said that once he saw this gangster he decided to wanna leave.
I agree. He is more correct (tzodek) than smart. I never debated him being right. Smart in these types of cases is not impulsive knee jerk reaction. It is being smart. Wise. I wish R' Yoeli only the best. I agree again. Chazak, Amatz, Hatzlacha.
1. She did offer proof in that she brought them there. It is not her problem that Yoel did not show up to verify. 2. Your claims that she invented the beis din are so loony... do you really expect her to take this seriously and ask the judges for their drivers licenses! You sound like these "birther" people who no matter what proof Obama brings that he is born in Hawaii they are not satisfied. 3. According to your own standards what is your own written testimony that the beis din is fake worth? Maybe you just forged that too! 4. Even if Rivky showed driver's licenses wouldn't Yoel just claim that these are real people but not qualified?? There is not end to the amount of denials of qualifications one can make. One can endlessly ask the other side for more proof and more qualifications according to your way of thinking! 5. None of this answers my original question - why can't Yoel come forth with proof in the form of a signed document from a reputable dayan that he does not need to give a get???
1. Her document was signed on letterhead with address and phone number. You can even call the number and speak to the beis din! 2. Who cares who called the sofer? 3. The publicized photos weren't meant to respond to every loony conspiracy theory out there. They were randomly taken. 4. The guy on recording is right that the same beis din did not need to be there... but they also said two of the three were there regardless.
@eLamdan - you are simply spouting nonsense. You don't understand elementary reality or law or halacha. Rivky has not proven that the beis din is real or that the people who signed the documents are real and are competent dayanim. Based on this claim that this was a real beis din she has gotten Yoel put in cherem, ordered to give a get and his name slandered all over the world. As well as colleting big dollars from simpathetic people
.It is clear that the judge believes she is not telling the truth. I do too.
However you don't like hearing that - so please prove that I am wrong. Constantly repeating nonsense doesn't make it true. Unless you have something to offer other than a broken record of the same argument - this is the last comment of youra that I will let through.
"All your points are really one point. You are convinced that " she really doesn't want a get, what she wants is to hurt Yoeli"."
You got it half correct. I'm saying she wants to hurt Yoeli regardless or Get or no Get. But I'm also saying that she DOES want a Get.
"1. Not true. She really wants a GET. I promise you, without even knowing her, she wants a GET.
Exactly what I'm saying. That's how he has leverage. She wants it.
2. In all contentious gittin I know of, as soon as the GET was given, and the visitation schedule set, child support set, everything quieted down.
Because in many of those cases it was only given when the wife was ready to allow him proper visitation and stop suing him if she was.
3. The solution here is to give the GET with a child support and visitation schedule, a dismissal of all previous claims. I am simplifying, but it is pretty simple. I don't believe that if you put that straight on the table she would reject it.
Agreed. The ball is in Rivky's court here. She needs to stop what she's doing so Yoel can give the Get.
4. I am saying all this only as in YOELI's best interest. Forget about Rivky's interests. They are immaterial. I am far from naive. There is a time for war, and a time for peace. Now, is actually the time for peace. Peace with your enemy is priceless. Especially, if she is crazy, angry, and holding on to your child/ren.
It's in Yoel's best interest to wait to give the Get until Rivky demonstrates she's stopping her hurtful and halachicly illegal actions against him and then give it. Otherwise giving it will not cause her to suddenly drop her RICO suit and stop interfering with his seeing the children.
so basically the entire thing was a big lie. why would rivky do all of this? I can't figure out why a young woman like her would want to ruin her life in such a manner.
Asher Pihem B.S........................... I'll let you go w/1 I'll argue very strongly about 2, bc in all contentious gittin I know, the wife likes to start up at New the fights w/New false allegations after the get so she should be able to hold back
Hmlamdan............. ................ There's a קלא דלא פסיק that keeps accusing Rivky of fabricating a nonexistent בית דין , like rabbi Lichter, the scribe of 95% of the gittin, said that it's the first time in his lifetime to witness such a history of self fabricating a bais din. (Rivky made history!)
He did not say that. He just said he doesn't know this beis din and doesn't care (why should he) and doesn't want to be brought in to this mess. Where in the world does this 95% of gittin number come from? Whatever the case if he does so many gittin and he was willing to do this one it supports Rivki. It is amazing how hiring a prominent sofer is somehow worse for her case according to your ridiculous logic. Hiring a pro who is wiling to do it and brings his own witnesses is quite good for her side of the story.
You can't figure it out? Oy, nebach. Are you a psychologist? What is the reason you would want to know the inner workings of Rivky's head? Is it curiosity? Are you studying personality disorders? There's so, so much to learn about human emotions, the brain and human condition. I suggest you begin by enrolling yourself into a good psychology program. After a few years, you may be able to answer this question properly.
What is relevant to us is that Rivky and her cohorts, undeniably concocted a fake "beit din". They are a non-existent entity. And she didn't just create one non-existent organization, she created at least four of them!
For us simpletons, it's very easy to understand why she lied. MONEY. Also, to have public opinion do what she knew no Beis Din or court would do.
Mevakeshhaemes............................. We're now very impressed of you and we want to tell you that it should be very applicable to yourself the Maamar of the Holy Chaza"l of יגעתי ומצאתי תאמין and that you now got proven yourself as being a serious מבקש האמת and it finally got you to the מסקנא about Rivky that "so basically her entire thing was a big lie"! And we also have the same questions than you about Rivky : "Why would Rivky do all of this?" We all can't figure out either: "Why a young woman like her would want to ruin her life in such a manner?" ובקשת משם את ה' אלקיך ומצאת Have a good Shabbos !
Hmlamdan.......................... I'm afraid that it's a waste of time to keep replying to you, bc obviously you don't make an impression that you're someone who is seeking to find out the real truth, It looks like that the midah of ומודה על האמת is far a too big מדריגה for you to reach! But, let just point out that you're not realizing that you're contradicting yourself within the context of your exact same comment, let's explain: We already pointed out to you and especially to whoever is concerned about knowing the truth that there's a kolo delo posik that accuses Rivky (and her cohorts) undeniably of having concocted a nonexistent entity of a fake "Beit Din", and she also fabricated at least 4 more nonexistent/fake organizations etc..., and with all your comments and replies by constantly repeating yourself in all kinds of ways with little different words, you could NOT ever refute those above mentioned mega lies that Rivky is accused for. And we also pointed you out that the most professional Sofer for gittin [that does 95% of the gittin in NY, as said by himself] witnessed the Chabad of g'town on 10 Av, that there wasn't there any b"d of m.b. there, bc it dont even exist, but he first thought that it's a self made b"d incl rabbi Berlin (not as being part of a b"d) that showed up, but he doesn't know any existence of gittin-Dayunim of a b"d that might be called rabbi's Abales, Goodman, Taub and he realized that this was just a big of a mess [especially when he saw that mega gangster that didn't give his wife a get for 14 years also showed up]; So now, you wanna be proud that Ezra Stein called him over on behalf of Rivky as the most reliable guy to us as the Sofer by a get, like RR-FB put out his picture (without his permission). You know very well that NOBODY (incl yourself & Rivky) is able to arguee that rabbi Lichter is a real reliable truthful mentch as you say that he should be fine for her side of the story, but since he knows too well all the botei dinim that exists in NY, from doing so many (95%) gittin in NY, he knows that this b"d is not known to him in NY, what means a concocted b"d, so he said it; but you still don't want to buy that, so you now ask "where is the number of 95% coming from?" Rabbi Lichter himself said it, so now you might wanna accuse him of not saying the truth! You don't agree anymore that he's a reliable person! So you also don't believe him that one guy there was rabbi Berlin? You also don't believe him that that mega gangster was there? So you can't decide: if he's a reliable guy and "Rivky did the right thing" to let her brother Ezra call Davka him, or he's not reliable and you don't want to trust his words/statements bc it's contradicting Rivky's LIES !? We would advise you to stop contradicting yourself in public bc you gonna need to give double din vecheshboyn on it bc you didn't even have any supposedly good reason for it (unless if you might have a negiyah, so pls come out and say it). And also Rivky herself won't really an excuse why she LIED, but she might fool herself that she might be excused, because of what? Maybe bc of MONEY or perhaps some other health or psychological issues that we really don't know! But the advice to you is: for the good of your own נשמה , STOP being a foul by blindly backing Rivky's LIES, STAY away from it like from FIRE ! Let's all have a good Shabbos!
Where in the world does this 95% of gittin number come from?
None other than Rabbi Lichter himself. Listen to the recording. What type of serious person comments without having reviews the facts?
He just said he doesn't know this beis din
He said he never dealt with them before. That means that they clearly don't have any experience in gitten.
Whatever the case if he does so many gittin and he was willing to do this one it supports Rivki.
LOL Really, now? He's called up by Ezra Stein from Israel to do a supposedly consensual get, and he agrees to come. That shows to support for Ms. Stein????? And you didn't even listen to the recording!
Um, no. Nothing here supports this fictitious "beit din". It's clearly a sham deal concocted by Rivky and her cohorts - something they're quite experienced in.
Honesty.......................a Gitte Voch.. So lets advise Hmlamdan to call asap Ezra Stein from Israel and advise him to call asap to Rivky to apologize/admit to her that he miscalculated that action of calling rabbi Lichter; let him at least now admit to her that even though that till now he was convinced in his mind that the fact of getting rabbi Lichter to come would be a good thing for Rivky and should supposedly support her fictitious "Beit Din"; But unfortunately (for Rivky) it right backfired into her own face, and rabbi Lichter indeed became a main source to just reveal and confirm that this was a real sham deal that Rivky & her cohorts made history of being the first so called (faked) agunah to come up with such an idea of self fabricating a so called [custom made] "Beit Din" that never existed before (and will never exist afterwards)!!! Hmlamdan, tell Ezra Stein to tell Rivky: «Sorry» because the damage to Rivky was already done and her sham came out by rabbi Lichter himself, so he'll now finally bleis berayrah be admitting to her that this call to rabbi Lichter did NOT added any support to Rivky's side, but just the opposite !!! RABBI LICHTER indeed just ADDED huge SUPPORT TO Reb YOILY and to all the honest emesdige toirahdige yidden that are supporting his side against this MEGA scandalous SHAM !!!!
A judge can direct a party to submit a proposed complaint to the court before filing it, it is not uncommon in matrimonial cases. Having said that, this order to show cause does not reflect the judges words in any way as it was prepared by Weiss's lawyer, and if the judge issued an order based on this motion, that order should be posted and not the moving papers, which are stale by now here in August. The poster above that claims this "reflects an order of the judge" is simply incorrect. Like many of the posts here.
Perry................................................ It didn't yet reach the time to give a get, but it's now reaching the point that Rivky has to come out in public and apologize to Yoily for lying with this b"d sham and she should finally admit the truth that the excommunication and the psak beit din was customized self fabricated by herself to unfairly bashmutz Reb Yoily; let her publicize this asap on : D.T., D.N., J.P., RR-FB, RR.Com, F.M., GO FUND ME, ORA, Channel 7, Chabad websites, etc etc , it should be reached by all the media, all TV stations/channels, all newspapers in the world (Jewish and secular), by all blogs, sites (make sure this get to reach every single b"d & Rabbi & Dayan & Sofer in the whole world), this way she might have a kapporah from Hashem, and then Hashem might get to accept the Tehilim & Tefiloys of Rebbetzin Miriam Orbach & the others that they claimed on RR-FB that they are davening for Rivky to be Zoicheh to have her get bekoroyv Mamash..........
Perry.............. Pls make sure to also include in your own posts in that category that you stated : "simply incorrect. Like many of the posts here."
@honesty, maybe as a child of a messy divorce myself , I can't figure out how Rivky would want to cause the same pain to her own children. That I find it so sad that money would be more important to her than the emotional well being of her children is mind boggling. She sounds more like the abuser than Yoel does. To me, a closeknit loving family is way more valuable than all the money in the world. I cry at the fact that my own children have had to suffer somewhat from my parents divorce.
Thanks! I spent a lot of time thinking about this .. and got to give Yoel credit for fighting the way he is for his kids.. I just hope that they can get some semblance of a normal life..
Honesty............. "What's the definition of insanity?" I googled for the definition , and I can now tell you : WELL SAID ! (It doesn't look like Hmlamdan got to check this out to know the definition!)
Hmelamdan.................... "You can even call the number and speak to the beis din!" Lol ! Didn't you yet hear that Reb Yoily already kept trying to do your idea of calling that b"d for the last 6 months, but to No avail...!?
At times a person can really want to create and maintain something, but if they lack the skills to make it work, they are in a very difficult situation. I blame Rivky's advisers more than anyone else. Instead of investing all their efforts in behaving like gangsters and advising her as how to shake down her husband, they could have sent her to a competent therapist who would help her navigate her marriage as well as help her through her own issues that may be resultant from her challenging childhood. They could have explained to her what divorce entails and what it entails to work on her marriage. The efforts invested in divorce, in children not having both parents at home etc etc are much greater than the efforts necessary to maintain a marriage.
The end game isn't to shame Rivky, it is to reach the Get al pi halacha.
Flowery words. To you - 1) the end game is a get. 2) all the means used to arrive at "the end game" is justified.
Well, what the means are, is very relevant. All the garabage of this disgusting game is too numerous to go through. It is disgusting, unacceptable and should be revealed. Additionally, besides for causing unjustified harm to the Weiss family, this game is causing untold harm to women who are actually suffering. After this story, no one believes them. The generous donors will now feel burnt and may not be willing to help a truly abused woman for fear that she's just pulling a game.
I am in the middle of reading the book! I totally agree, someone should have advised her on how to keep her marriage instead of helping her ruin her life. I am working on myself constantly because I want to make life for my children much better than I had it.
Honesty...... ........................ I'd think that this just above typed comment from you, must the very BEST one (with a serious תוכן full of heart & נשמה) out of all the previous comments about Rivky's case, and mainly illustrating the face and krum mind of her advisers (especially including at least her main one famous gangster that didn't wanna give the get to his ex-Agunah-wife for like about 14 long years as well as her hired P.R.). This very impressive and to be נתפעל. ממש עושה קידוש הק ע"י דעת תורה!י
Daas Torah................................. You wrote about 4 days ago @ELamdan that : Reality is finally closing in on Rivky and she will be revealed to all for the shameful production she has produced." We can't wait anymore !! Pls post a new post with the full sham revelation that was produced by Rivky !!
Daas Torah .._________ We're waiting for the videos of the 10th of Av by chabad e72 to be come out public ! We're also waiting for Yoily to make anew a Public Announcement to his wife Rivky Stein !!
Unbelievable! How many organizations did this one woman and her cohorts concoct?
ReplyDelete"Beis Din of Quebec"
"Vaad Shelo Leharbos prutzos B'Yisroel"
"Vaad Hatznius d'Flatbush"
"Beit din of Mill Basin and Marine Park"
I think I missed a couple. Unbelievable. All of these organizations do not exist. These are concocted names of non-existent organizations created just to slander her adversaries (people she liked and she then turned on.... usual for people who were forced away from their parents and went from foster care home to foster care home...). So sad.
The judge is saying very clearly that Rivky Stein is illegally attempting to prevent the innocent children from seeing their father and is using the police to report lies in her vicious effort towards that goal.
ReplyDeleteSo not only is she a rodef and a moser reporting a Jewish man to the non-Jewish authorities and having him jailed multiple times on false charges, but she is abusing her children.
She is an unfit mother and everything should be legally done in court to remove her having custody of the innocent children.
I agree with only half of what you are saying Moe, Perhaps has done mesira and redifa in the past. Remember, a rodef and moser only applies as they do it. A bad mother ? Perhaps. But not worse than all other divorced mothers who play games with visitation. I think the measuring stick of bad parent, is whether the child/ren are better off in by her/him, foster care, or by the other parent. Does Yoeli even want custody ? I've heard he doesn't.
ReplyDeleteYou're incorrect. Reread it. It is very clear that the judge issued a ruling against Stein in this order and issued a court order that she can no longer file police reports unless she first notified Yoel's lawyer and first gets permission from the court - because, in the judge's words "plaintiff [Rivky Stein] has abused the judicial process by filing repeated malicious and false complaints with the police resulting in four arrests of the defendant, each com,plaint arrest occurring within one day after the defendant sought access to the parties children or complained about being denied access, and a temporary order of protection directing the plaintiff to remain away from the defendant at all places except for court ordered visitation, and for other and further relief".
ReplyDeleteHere is a link to all the previous posts
ReplyDeletehttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1tiRxwXnflAcTNLZ2thWExCM00/edit
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ReplyDelete1) Now that you confirmed and came together on August 6 at the "E72nd" Street address in Brooklyn, why didn't the "beit din" papers you sent to Yoel Weiss state that address clearly on all the documents it sent him in the first place, and if it was a mistake, why didn't they issue a clarification?
2) If the "E72nd" Street address was always the "right address" why was the non-existent address at "E77nd" Street continuously and deliberately typed on all the original documents that were sent to Yoel Weiss by the "beit din" and why did you keep on repeating the wrong (alternate) deceptive address at "E77nd" all the way through, even as the meet-up date on August 6 approached?
3) Why did you choose the address of a Chabad house at "E72nd" Street as the "official address" of your "beit din" if no Chabad rabbis were involved? Or were they? How was a group of strangers coming for a "get" ceremony let in to the premises if as that Chabad alleges it did not know of any "beit din" -- can you explain this entire perplexing "arrangement"?
4) Were ALL the original three "rabbis" -- Chaim Taub, David Binyamin Abales, Yehoshua Goodman --on the documents you sent Yoel Weiss present on August 6 at "E72nd" Street? If yes, which ones were there, and if not, why not? Can anyone confirm this reliably and can someone please confirm the backgrounds and credentials (yeshivas where they learned, type of semicha they hold etc) of these supposed "rabbis'?
5) Why couldn't Yoel Weiss reach any of the original three "rabbis" for months after he had received the documents with his name on it, nor could he reach any of them on the day they supposedly gathered August 6, why was that?
6) You claimed one of the original rabbis was "sitting shiva in Israel" who was he and why couldn't you provide a phone number to reach him?
7) Who were the other "rabbis" that you assembled as "alternates" for the "beit din" at "E72nd" Street on August 6 and can this be confirmed by anyone reliable?
8) Why did the pro-Aguna ORA organization eventually publicly deny any connections with you and your "beit din"?
9) Why did The Jewish Press a pro-Aguna paper abruptly withdraw its endorsement of your "beit din" without further explanation?
10) Why did you permit a reporter from the New York Daily News (Blau) to become involved in negotiating on your behalf on August 6? Did you or the "beit din" authorize him to do this? Who (rabbis or poskim, besides your mysterious "beit din") has approved your use of the media as a tool to attack Yoel Weiss?
11) The name "Uziel (Uzi) Frankel" keeps on being mentioned in relation to you and the "beit din" who is he and what role does he play in all of this?
12) Do any rabbis in the neighborhoods of Marine Park and Mill Basin, or does any reliable genuine bais din or poskim or gedolim approve of and use or even know about the "Beit Din Zedek of Marine Park & Mill Basin"? If not why not?
You are getting lost in legalese... judges are forced to navigate suits and counter suits all the time. Anyhow it's all irrelevant to the get which yoel should give. No one here has given a good reason why he shouldn't give it.
ReplyDeleteHe should give it when all other outstanding divorce related issues are first resolved. It has always been the normal practice that a Get is given last, after all other issues are first resolved. In fact Rav Moshe has a teshuva saying this is the proper halachic way to do it.
ReplyDeleteThis is an Order to Show Cause, which is an order from a judge directing a party to explain why the court should not enter a specific order. The Order gave her until February 20, 2014 to respond. Presumably she did and the court did not enter the order.
ReplyDeleteThe court did enter the order and after that she never again was able to, and didn't, file any more police complaints or order of protections against him.
ReplyDeleteYour cannot apply a teshuva across the board. It certainly has no application in cases like these.
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ReplyDeleteDaas Torah already mentioned it numerous times that it's based on the psak of the שולחן ערוך and Poskim, what is to be applied all across the board by all Jews especially for those that are included in the category of orthodox Jews.
1) The psak is directly applicable to this case.
ReplyDelete2) It isn't just that psak. Even if Rav Moshe's psak didn't exist, that is how Gittin procedures have been handled for time immemorial.
3) You have explained no reason why in this case he should be forced to give a Get upfront before the resolution of all outstanding divorce issues when that is how it is normally done and has been for centuries back until today.
it depends on how the particular divorce is proceeding. There are particulars that you are ignoring. Example, are certain matters already being litigated in secular court? How long have the couple been separated? You can't pasken off one line in shulchan aruch or a teshuva because there are details that need to be taken into account. In cases like these where there is litigation already being taken up in secular courts and the couple has been separated there is no question that a get needs to be given.
ReplyDeleteYehoshua is correct. The judge is simply asking that rivky explain why Yoel is incorrect... i.e. she wants her to present her side of the story. It is amazing to me how we keep seeing evidence and proof from this blog and none of it is actual evidence... it is just filings from Yoel or rant phone calls from Yoel. No evidence whatsoever. Defenders of Yoel just see what they want to see!
ReplyDeleteDo you have any evidence as to what happened after this filing???
ReplyDeleteIf you don't like Shulchan Aruch and the Igros Moshe just come out and publicly say so.
ReplyDeleteSuing in arka'os, secular court, is an extreme violation of Jewish Law. That itself is reason not give the Get until the secular court suits are ended.
Correct. This is halacha as well as common sense.
ReplyDeleteThe languages in the judge's order has the judge herself saying that Stein abused the judicial process by filing repeated malicious and false complaints. She then ordered Stein not to file any more police reports without the court's permission.
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ReplyDeleteYehoshua & you are incorrect bc the court did enter the order and after that she never again was able to, and didn't, file any more police complaints or order of protection against him. That's the real fact.
I'm not going against Igros Moshe or Shulchan Aruch. I'm saying that each case is different and some cases call for the application of a different seif in shulchan aruch or a different teshuva from R' Moshe. Same thing with suing in erkaos. Look at the seminary case in which Rabbi Feurst himself is behind the lawsuit in a secular court. You need to know how to apply the halacha.
ReplyDeleteAll of this aside from the fact that you continue to miss the most basic point. Beis Din is a mechanism for one party to extract something from another party. It is only needed when the two sides cannot come to an agreement. But on the issue of giving the get there is no reason he should not give it. There is no reason that she should even have to take him to beis din. This is a point continuously overlooked by you and the baal hablog.
True. However, it is not always the smartest thing to do. There is right, and there is smart. But, I will let Yoeli decide what he thinks is smart. I will insert my three cents though.
ReplyDelete@eLamdan - you simply don't understand halacha and you have no understanding of this case. You just keep repeating things over and over again. Please stop.
ReplyDeleteI could say the same thing about you.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't we turn this around? If Yoel is correct why can't he get a beis din that is well-known and reputable to issue a psak that he need not give a get. Go to the RCA beis din and ask them for a written psak that he can post on the internet. Then we can settle this supposed "halachic" argument. Rivky already went to a beis din and got an order. Let him do the same from a "better" beis din. If he has halachic standing this should not be a problem. Why is the burden of proof on her? Especially when she has already produced a document from a beis din!
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see that order. I'm not even sure a judge has the authority to prevent someone from filing police reports.
ReplyDelete@eLamdan - you don't seem to understand - she did not go to a beis din. He doesn't need to go to a beis din for a psak as long as she is still fighting with with a RICO claim
ReplyDeleteAsher: Why do you think it is smarter to give the Get while other divorce issues are still pending unresolved (and as discussed normal cases the Get comes after that) AND his wife is illegally (per halacha) suing him in secular court?
ReplyDeleteYou agree he has strong ground to not yet give the Get. Why do you think it would be smarter he give it now anyways?
The only possible benefit is he can start looking to get remarried earlier. There are no other benefits than that. And he may very well have decided he is not yet ready to date yet, especially while he is undergoing vicious attacks by his current wife. Then there is absolutely no benefit at all.
Additionally, he could get a heter meah if he does want to start looking to remarry while his current wife is still violating him.
There are many benefits in not giving the Get earlier than halacha requires. Namely his wife knows she will not get a Get until she stops violating him in contravention of halacha. This gives her a large incentive to cease her attacks on him in secular courts, police, public pronouncements and any other ways she is infringing on his halachic rights.
Catskills 1.........................
ReplyDeleteCertainly........
Rivky has been proven by her own picked secular erkoois court system, that she has been lying on all her mesirois to the secular authorities. ....
She has to first get all secular court cases dismissed and go to a bais din with the right credentials to negotiate the custody/visitation issues, and only after all that is settled, she'll be entitled to request the get. That's according to the Haluchah. But, I'd assume that Yoily would give her one more chance to get together all the 3 original rabbis. Rabbi Taub is already now over with sitting Shivah, so let the other 2 rabbis (abales&Goodman) come back again to the B"D along with Taub, so we'll now all 3. I am 100% positive that if rivky will produce those all 3 orig rabbis w/proof of identity thru gov ID, and by also proving their credentials in having semichah & experience for how to perform a get etc, that he will then be willing be giving the get even though that the court cases & the custody issues are still pending.......
So Rivky should now make the right decisions for whatever
She did go to a beis din -- the one you claim is a "fabricated" one. A claim with no evidence that sounds like a conspiracy theory. As far as anyone knows she has the signature of three dayanim and she went to that address with a bunch of Rabbis two of which she said were the very same dayanim. Now, let's see something from Yoel to counteract that. And I don't mean things that refute her evidence. He needs hard evidence that backs him up. Refuting her is not evidence (and he has not even successfully refuted her). What he needs is real signatures from real and respected dayanim who back up his side of the story. It should be easy to get if he is telling the truth. So instead of slander - let's see the signatures from real Rabbis. Go to the Rabbi Fuerst in Chicago or the RCA or whatever well known beis din he wants stating that he does not need to give a get or whatever. Why can't he do that???
ReplyDeleteHere is why,
ReplyDelete1. You are 100 percent right when it comes to what he is mechuyav. He doesn't owe her anything regardless of her "violating" him. Kal V'chomer all the legitimate taynos on her.
However,
1. Did you stop for a second and think that perhaps all her actions or many of them were to put pressure on him to give a GET ? Perhaps she is scared ? Not as strong as all her outward actions would show ?
2. Perhaps things will settle themselves as soon as a GET is given. I am talking about everything besides visitation. ( I doubt the arrests, RICO, excessive demands for support, etc.. are anything other than steam which is being blown for the cause of jockeying for position in court, or public opinion, or for pressure for a GET)
3. Most, all of the court demands she has will lose as they are without merit. This is regardless of a GET. Her claims against him are mostly air. So, anything that she is claiming that is rediculous will not happen anyway. The courts were not born yesterday. It's not the first contentious divorce in Brooklyn county of kings.
4. If I thought that all her claims in court were real, I would agree with you. Don't give a GET and lose your kids, lose 480 million, go to jail for 10 years, etc... However, having been around the block once, I think the only thing missing here are experienced negotiators, who can solve this in a matter of hours.
5. Do you think by not giving a GET you solve the problems ? Do you think she will drop her claims if she isn't getting the GET ? What motivation does she have to come down from the tree ? Do you think you will force her down from the tree easily ? It can take years to bring her to her knees, but with a little bending it can be done in hours. Those are years that are filled with anger and misery. Years where no one moves on. Years that nothing is accomplished. Years that relationships with children are broken.
6. I hear all the geniuses on here taking the strong approach. Screaming "Don't give a GET". These geniuses don't know the pain of his, nor hers. They are doing a disservice to him, and her. Nor are they being helpful at resolving this. This, and all divorces are really "simple" to solve. He has to agree to give her a GET, she has to agree to let him see the children. He has to agree to support his kids. End of claims. We on the side have to edge them towards these obvious goals.
Yoily is more a Tzadik then smart. He's 100% doing the right thing.
ReplyDeleteHe shouldn't encourage other women seeking divorce to c"v copy to do the same sins (from the worst ones) to c"v also become a Moser&rodef w/making up sheker allegations to ח"ו get arrested innocent men and then make them spend tens or hundreds of thousand dollars to defend themselves from those false allegations in the secular system.
ר' יואל חזק ואמץ !י
She did go to a beis din -- the one you claim is a "fabricated" one. A claim with no evidence that sounds like a conspiracy theory. As far as anyone knows she has the signature of three dayanim and she went to that address with a bunch of Rabbis two of which she said were the very same dayanim.
ReplyDeleteRepeating the same stupid lie over and over and over and over doesn't make any of it true, nor believable.
She can't produce any information about those three supposed "rabbis".
* Not a picture
* Not where they reside
* Not where they learnt
* Not a respectable rabbi who has ever heard of this "beit din" or any of it's supposed members.
Additionally, their supposed "psak" doesn't look like any psak ever published by a legitimate beis din. Oh yes, and they paskend against someone they never met!
What's the definition of insanity?
If you were really so sure she is a rodephes, and you are so holy, why wouldn't you follow Rav kahana Baba Kama 117a ? Stop the nonsense. She is not a rodephes. She went to arkaos. When she had him arrested, she may have been prior to his arrest. Do you have a prominent Posek who agrees with you ?
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ReplyDeleteI challenge you to find a source in halacha that he is obligated by Torah law to gve a get. There IS NONE.
Nephtuli Taubenfeld..............
ReplyDeleteAre you maybe related to Hershel and Moishe Menachem Taubenfeld of new square ?
Hey elamdan. You sound like a genuine moron. I'd love to meet you in person. I never met such an idiot in this field talk as stupid as you!
ReplyDelete1) Did you stop for a second and think that perhaps all her actions... were to put pressure on him to give a GET ?
ReplyDeleteHer actions in court were not for a get. She began immediately with orders of protection and insane accusations in court. She accused him of molesting his kids over two years ago.
She wen't from "You can't pay the rent this month (without my help!), 'I'm leaving you'" to court the very next morning!
Had she gone to serious and competent mediator, you'd have a possibility to claim she was trying to resolve things.
2) Perhaps things will settle themselves as soon as a GET is given.
Perhaps things will settle themselves if a get is given now, and perhaps they won't. Rav Moshe Feinstein was as smart and as shrewd as you are, and understood that things usually don't just settle themselves. Anyone with experience in these cases knows that things don't just settle themselves.
3) all of the court demands she has will lose as they are without merit.
An irrelevant point. In the words of Raymond J Donovan "Which office do I go to to get my reputation back?" Rivky has to cease this disgusting fruitless war, and she has to apologize for what she's done.
Why hasn't she approached a legitimate mediator in sincerity?!
4) I think the only thing missing here are experienced negotiators, who can solve this in a matter of hours.
No. She has refused to go to mediators. Instead, she hired guys to record Yoel for many, many , many hours. She refused to go to a legitimate Beis Din, instead choosing to fabricate one.
There's also a pattern here. She goes after her perceived adversaries by publicizing the most outrageous slanders - all under the name of a new supposed "organization" she concocted. The documents are all here for viewing.
Here's a sampling:
"Beis Din of Quebec"
"Vaad Shelo Leharbos prutzos B'Yisroel"
"Vaad Hatznius d'Flatbush"
"Beit din of Mill Basin and Marine Park"
All non-existent organizations. All used to publicly condemn and slander the people she's fighting. Skilled negotiators cannot solve this type of personality!
5) Do you think by not giving a GET you solve the problems ?
No. And yes. The old problems don't necessarily become resolved through this. However, it prevent's certain new problems. Many new problems would be created if the get was given now, with this type of personality. Again, Rav Moshe Feinstein was a smart as you, and smarter, and says to wait until things are resolved.
6)I hear all the geniuses on here... Screaming ...These geniuses don't know the pain of his, nor hers. They are doing a disservice to him, and her.
It would be nice if you take note of your words and heed your advice. She chose to go public. She chose never to negotiate. She chose to cast off mediators as well as legitimate Botei Din. A legitimate Beis Din also serves as mediation - since their responsibility is to try to first have a "pshara" - a negotiated settlement.
The onus is on her to begin a process of making repairs.
If you were really so sure she is a rodephes, and you are so holy, why wouldn't you follow Rav kahana Baba Kama 117a ?
ReplyDeleteDo you have a prominent Posek who agrees with you ?
Rav Shlomo Miller paskened the same thing by a different woman who also made use of Shira Dicker. He's just as smart and holy as you are. So please, stop the nonsense!
She did all that and he still did not show up which is exactly what will happen if she does it again. It will just be a waste of her time - Yoel gives us no reason to believe otherwise. The fact is that no evidence has been forthcoming to show that her beis din is a sham. If Yoel wants to make a case, he now needs to go to a beis din and bring evidence to back himself up. This should be easy to do. Why can't he do it?
ReplyDeleteThe burden of proof at this point has shifted to Yoel - that much is clear.
When do we ever demand that a beis din produce pictures and biographies?? She even showed up with two of the three and a famous sofer all ready to go and he didn't come. That was his big opportunity to prove that the beis din was a sham. That is why the burden of proof rests with him. And if all you defenders of Yoel are correct, then why can't he just go to a beis din and get a simple letter stating that the cherem and siruv are wrong and that he does not need to give a get.
ReplyDelete1. From what we've seen, she hadn't been seeking a Get until several months ago when she started losing face in the secular court room when the judges started knocking down her arguments and accusations. That is when, two years after seperating without asking for a Get, that she started demanding a Get - and went on a public campaign for it despite not having sought it privately for long.
ReplyDelete2. The above demonstrates that even if he gives her a Get TODAY, she will
continue her legal and psychological war against her then ex-husband
unabated. There is no reason to think she'll reduce the intensity of her
war after receiving a Get.
The RICO suit is her response to him having gotten visitation. A Get wont end her war against him having a relationship with his children.
3. This is another reason to wait to give the Get after all these issues are settled and thrown out by court or however they end. This doesn't give any reason to give a Get earlier than a Get is given in normal Get cases - when other issues are settled.
4. You are correct it could be settled in hours, but she isn't looking to settle - which is the reason it hasn't been settled in two years. She is looking to hurt her husband. Giving a Get, as I described above, wont end her war.
5. As long as she doesn't get a Get she is afraid she'll never get it and will be stuck for the rest of her life while he gets a heter meah or otherwise remarries. This is a humongous incentive for her to settle so she can get a Get.
6. His pain wont end with his giving a Get. Especially if she continually wages war after the Get, as all indications show she will. He should get a heter meah and move on while letting his lawyers deal with her while he moves on.
I think the great error here is the flawed assumption that getting a Get will cause her to ease up in her wrongdoing.
You really think she invented organizations and siruvs and put on fake signatures and brought Rabbis to the address of the beis din and pretended they were from that beis din? Do you think we faked the moon landing?? Who killed JFK? Was it perhaps the aliens of Area 51??? Maybe she was behind 9/11 too?
ReplyDelete@eLamdan - do you really think Rivky - after being accused repeatedly and publicly of having fake beis din - would not offer proof the beis din exists and it showed up?
ReplyDeleteThe entire proof that 2 of the dayanim showed up was Rivky's claim. There are no witnesses and no photographs. No pictures of their drivers license or semicha. the fact that Rabbi Lichter who has written 95% of NYC Gitten did not know them and could not testify that they were there - strongly indicates that Rivky is liying.
At this time the only question is whether the 3 men actually exist. They definitely did not show up - but she brought substitute bodies. Hopefully I will be able to produce stronger written testimony that the beis din is fake that should convince the strongest "Rivky believer" in the next few weeks.
Reality is finally closing in on Rivky and she will be revealed to all for the shameful production she has produced.
She told him over the phone, as you can hear in the recording, that the two dayanim weren't there because they were "stuck in traffic" and the third one couldn't come altogether.
ReplyDeleteWhen do we ever demand that a beis din produce pictures and biographies??
ReplyDeleteI have a "psak" from a Beis din that you are a child molester, rapist, mechalel Shabbos, don't keep tahras hamishpocha etc etc. Just a moment until I post it (I need to finish typing it!). It also says to disregard all your lies you post here. The "psak" states that every word you wrote is a lie.
She even showed up with two of the three and a famous sofer
No, she didn't. None of the "three" were there!
The sofer, who writes over 90% of gitten in NY made it clear that he was called by Ezra Stein to write the get. He was upset that the media was there. He explicitly asked not to be photographed.
You photographed him. You eve publicized those photos!
You provided no photos of the supposed "dayonim".
You are on recording saying that you don't need those three to be there!
That was his big opportunity to prove that the beis din was a sham.
Indeed, it was proven then that this "beit din" is a sham!
All your points are really one point. You are convinced that " she really doesn't want a get, what she wants is to hurt Yoeli". Therefore, things will never settle down and Yoeli's life after he gives a GET will only be the same, without the GET leverage.
ReplyDelete1. Not true. She really wants a GET. I promise you, without even knowing her, she wants a GET.
2. In all contentious gittin I know of, as soon as the GET was given, and the visitation schedule set, child support set, everything quieted down.
3. The solution here is to give the GET with a child support and visitation schedule, a dismissal of all previous claims. I am simplifying, but it is pretty simple. I don't believe that if you put that straight on the table she would reject it.
4. I am saying all this only as in YOELI's best interest. Forget about Rivky's interests. They are immaterial. I am far from naive. There is a time for war, and a time for peace. Now, is actually the time for peace. Peace with your enemy is priceless. Especially, if she is crazy, angry, and holding on to your child/ren.
Hi first of all there where three people there who have video of the whole thing and not one of her three rabbis where there. if you like you can Email me @ yoelsweiss@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteHmlamdan............
ReplyDeleteshe didn't do it all that. She very clearly did NOT have all the 3 Rabbis, EVEN according to HER own (made up) version (and even about the other 2 there's no pictures of them or of their driving ID). The only picture she produced was the Sofer that wasn't appointed by the b"d, but have been ordered to be showing up by Rivky's brother Ezra Stein; BTW, this Sofer, rabbi Lichter, jr [between himself and his father rabbi Lichter, senior (I think that the father already passed on) they did (the son is B"H still doing for many more years) for the last 50-60 yrs 95% of NYC metropolitan gittin] he said that he doesn't know at all the ppl that were by the Chabad House e72, except 2 ppl ; he said he knew one guy named rabbi Berlin, that is no affiliated with any b"d, and another one that is known to be a dangerous gangster (that didn't give his wife a get for like 12 or 14 years); Rabbi Lichter also said that once he saw this gangster he decided to wanna leave.
I agree. He is more correct (tzodek) than smart. I never debated him being right. Smart in these types of cases is not impulsive knee jerk reaction. It is being smart. Wise. I wish R' Yoeli only the best. I agree again. Chazak, Amatz, Hatzlacha.
ReplyDeleteThis is a very sad case. It's hard to imagine how someone can do what she's doing. Unfortunately, things like this happen all to often in our society.
ReplyDelete1. She did offer proof in that she brought them there. It is not her problem that Yoel did not show up to verify. 2. Your claims that she invented the beis din are so loony... do you really expect her to take this seriously and ask the judges for their drivers licenses! You sound like these "birther" people who no matter what proof Obama brings that he is born in Hawaii they are not satisfied. 3. According to your own standards what is your own written testimony that the beis din is fake worth? Maybe you just forged that too! 4. Even if Rivky showed driver's licenses wouldn't Yoel just claim that these are real people but not qualified?? There is not end to the amount of denials of qualifications one can make. One can endlessly ask the other side for more proof and more qualifications according to your way of thinking! 5. None of this answers my original question - why can't Yoel come forth with proof in the form of a signed document from a reputable dayan that he does not need to give a get???
ReplyDeletethat was the first call... by the second call it was stated that the two had arrived.
ReplyDelete1. Her document was signed on letterhead with address and phone number. You can even call the number and speak to the beis din! 2. Who cares who called the sofer? 3. The publicized photos weren't meant to respond to every loony conspiracy theory out there. They were randomly taken. 4. The guy on recording is right that the same beis din did not need to be there... but they also said two of the three were there regardless.
ReplyDelete@eLamdan - you are simply spouting nonsense. You don't understand elementary reality or law or halacha. Rivky has not proven that the beis din is real or that the people who signed the documents are real and are competent dayanim. Based on this claim that this was a real beis din she has gotten Yoel put in cherem, ordered to give a get and his name slandered all over the world. As well as colleting big dollars from simpathetic people
ReplyDelete.It is clear that the judge believes she is not telling the truth. I do too.
However you don't like hearing that - so please prove that I am wrong. Constantly repeating nonsense doesn't make it true. Unless you have something to offer other than a broken record of the same argument - this is the last comment of youra that I will let through.
Not true, they said you don't need specific rabbis
ReplyDeleteAsher P.D.S.......
ReplyDeleteThanks again for agreeing again
"All your points are really one point. You are convinced that " she really doesn't want a get, what she wants is to hurt Yoeli"."
ReplyDeleteYou got it half correct. I'm saying she wants to hurt Yoeli regardless or Get or no Get. But I'm also saying that she DOES want a Get.
"1. Not true. She really wants a GET. I promise you, without even knowing her, she wants a GET.
Exactly what I'm saying. That's how he has leverage. She wants it.
2. In all contentious gittin I know of, as soon as the GET was given, and the visitation schedule set, child support set, everything quieted down.
Because in many of those cases it was only given when the wife was ready to allow him proper visitation and stop suing him if she was.
3. The solution here is to give the GET with a child support and visitation schedule, a dismissal of all previous claims. I am simplifying, but it is pretty simple. I don't believe that if you put that straight on the table she would reject it.
Agreed. The ball is in Rivky's court here. She needs to stop what she's doing so Yoel can give the Get.
4. I am saying all this only as in YOELI's best interest. Forget about Rivky's interests. They are immaterial. I am far from naive. There is a time for war, and a time for peace. Now, is actually the time for peace. Peace with your enemy is priceless. Especially, if she is crazy, angry, and holding on to your child/ren.
It's in Yoel's best interest to wait to give the Get until Rivky demonstrates she's stopping her hurtful and halachicly illegal actions against him and then give it. Otherwise giving it will not cause her to suddenly drop her RICO suit and stop interfering with his seeing the children.
so basically the entire thing was a big lie. why would rivky do all of this? I can't figure out why a young woman like her would want to ruin her life in such a manner.
ReplyDeleteVideo wouldn't help cuz I don't know how these rabbis look. But I still don't get why you can't do what I suggest above.
ReplyDeleteHis pain won't end even after everything is settled either.. the divorce pain lasts for a long time if not forever. especially in bitter divorces
ReplyDeleteAsher Pihem B.S...........................
ReplyDeleteI'll let you go w/1
I'll argue very strongly about 2, bc in all contentious gittin I know, the wife likes to start up at New the fights w/New false allegations after the get so she should be able to hold back
Hmlamdan............. ................
ReplyDeleteThere's a קלא דלא פסיק that keeps accusing Rivky of fabricating a nonexistent בית דין , like rabbi Lichter, the scribe of 95% of the gittin, said that it's the first time in his lifetime to witness such a history of self fabricating a bais din. (Rivky made history!)
He did not say that. He just said he doesn't know this beis din and doesn't care (why should he) and doesn't want to be brought in to this mess. Where in the world does this 95% of gittin number come from? Whatever the case if he does so many gittin and he was willing to do this one it supports Rivki. It is amazing how hiring a prominent sofer is somehow worse for her case according to your ridiculous logic. Hiring a pro who is wiling to do it and brings his own witnesses is quite good for her side of the story.
ReplyDeleteYou can't figure it out? Oy, nebach. Are you a psychologist? What is the reason you would want to know the inner workings of Rivky's head? Is it curiosity? Are you studying personality disorders? There's so, so much to learn about human emotions, the brain and human condition. I suggest you begin by enrolling yourself into a good psychology program. After a few years, you may be able to answer this question properly.
ReplyDeleteWhat is relevant to us is that Rivky and her cohorts, undeniably concocted a fake "beit din". They are a non-existent entity. And she didn't just create one non-existent organization, she created at least four of them!
For us simpletons, it's very easy to understand why she lied. MONEY. Also, to have public opinion do what she knew no Beis Din or court would do.
Why don't you know what these supposed "rabbis" look like. Why don't you go visit them at their address, and you'll know what they look like.
ReplyDeleteYour point?
ReplyDeleteMevakeshhaemes.............................
ReplyDeleteWe're now very impressed of you and we want to tell you that it should be very applicable to yourself the Maamar of the Holy Chaza"l of
יגעתי ומצאתי תאמין and that you now got proven yourself as being a serious מבקש האמת and it finally got you to the מסקנא about Rivky that "so basically her entire thing was a big lie"!
And we also have the same questions than you about Rivky : "Why would Rivky do all of this?"
We all can't figure out either:
"Why a young woman like her would want to ruin her life in such a manner?"
ובקשת משם את ה' אלקיך ומצאת
Have a good Shabbos !
Hmlamdan..........................
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid that it's a waste of time to keep replying to you, bc obviously you don't make an impression that you're someone who is seeking to find out the real truth, It looks like that the midah of ומודה על האמת is far a too big מדריגה for you to reach! But, let just point out that you're not realizing that you're contradicting yourself within the context of your exact same comment, let's explain: We already pointed out to you and especially to whoever is concerned about knowing the truth that there's a kolo delo posik that accuses Rivky (and her cohorts) undeniably of having concocted a nonexistent entity of a fake "Beit Din", and she also fabricated at least 4 more nonexistent/fake organizations etc..., and with all your comments and replies by constantly repeating yourself in all kinds of ways with little different words, you could NOT ever refute those above mentioned mega lies that Rivky is accused for. And we also pointed you out that the most professional Sofer for gittin [that does 95% of the gittin in NY, as said by himself] witnessed the Chabad of g'town on 10 Av, that there wasn't there any b"d of m.b. there, bc it dont even exist, but he first thought that it's a self made b"d incl rabbi Berlin (not as being part of a b"d) that showed up, but he doesn't know any existence of gittin-Dayunim of a b"d that might be called rabbi's Abales, Goodman, Taub and he realized that this was just a big of a mess [especially when he saw that mega gangster that didn't give his wife a get for 14 years also showed up]; So now, you wanna be proud that Ezra Stein called him over on behalf of Rivky as the most reliable guy to us as the Sofer by a get, like RR-FB put out his picture (without his permission). You know very well that NOBODY (incl yourself & Rivky) is able to arguee that rabbi Lichter is a real reliable truthful mentch as you say that he should be fine for her side of the story, but since he knows too well all the botei dinim that exists in NY, from doing so many (95%) gittin in NY, he knows that this b"d is not known to him in NY, what means a concocted b"d, so he said it; but you still don't want to buy that, so you now ask "where is the number of 95% coming from?" Rabbi Lichter himself said it, so now you might wanna accuse him of not saying the truth! You don't agree anymore that he's a reliable person! So you also don't believe him that one guy there was rabbi Berlin? You also don't believe him that that mega gangster was there? So you can't decide: if he's a reliable guy and "Rivky did the right thing" to let her brother Ezra call Davka him, or he's not reliable and you don't want to trust his words/statements bc it's contradicting Rivky's LIES !? We would advise you to stop contradicting yourself in public bc you gonna need to give double din vecheshboyn on it bc you didn't even have any supposedly good reason for it (unless if you might have a negiyah, so pls come out and say it). And also Rivky herself won't really an excuse why she LIED, but she might fool herself that she might be excused, because of what? Maybe bc of MONEY or perhaps some other health or psychological issues that we really don't know!
But the advice to you is: for the good of your own נשמה , STOP being a foul by blindly backing Rivky's LIES, STAY away from it like from FIRE !
Let's all have a good Shabbos!
Emes !
ReplyDeleteWhere in the world does this 95% of gittin number come from?
ReplyDeleteNone other than Rabbi Lichter himself. Listen to the recording. What type of serious person comments without having reviews the facts?
He just said he doesn't know this beis din
He said he never dealt with them before. That means that they clearly don't have any experience in gitten.
Whatever the case if he does so many gittin and he was willing to do this one it supports Rivki.
LOL
Really, now? He's called up by Ezra Stein from Israel to do a supposedly consensual get, and he agrees to come. That shows to support for Ms. Stein?????
And you didn't even listen to the recording!
Um, no. Nothing here supports this fictitious "beit din". It's clearly a sham deal concocted by Rivky and her cohorts - something they're quite experienced in.
Hmlamdan............
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you first email Yoily and then get to see the video and then you'll come back to tell us what you still have to say !!
Honesty.................
ReplyDeleteWonderful idea ! I like that idea !
Have a good Shabbos !
Honesty.......................a Gitte Voch..
ReplyDeleteSo lets advise Hmlamdan to call asap Ezra Stein from Israel and advise him to call asap to Rivky to apologize/admit to her that he miscalculated that action of calling rabbi Lichter; let him at least now admit to her that even though that till now he was convinced in his mind that the fact of getting rabbi Lichter to come would be a good thing for Rivky and should supposedly support her fictitious "Beit Din"; But unfortunately (for Rivky) it right backfired into her own face, and rabbi Lichter indeed became a main source to just reveal and confirm that this was a real sham deal that Rivky & her cohorts made history of being the first so called (faked) agunah to come up with such an idea of self fabricating a so called [custom made] "Beit Din" that never existed before (and will never exist afterwards)!!! Hmlamdan, tell Ezra Stein to tell Rivky: «Sorry» because the damage to Rivky was already done and her sham came out by rabbi Lichter himself, so he'll now finally bleis berayrah be admitting to her that this call to rabbi Lichter did NOT added any support to Rivky's side, but just the opposite !!! RABBI LICHTER indeed just ADDED huge SUPPORT TO Reb YOILY and to all the honest emesdige toirahdige yidden that are supporting his side against this MEGA scandalous SHAM !!!!
The end game isn't to shame Rivky, it is to reach the Get al pi halacha.
ReplyDeleteA judge can direct a party to submit a proposed complaint to the court before filing it, it is not uncommon in matrimonial cases. Having said that, this order to show cause does not reflect the judges words in any way as it was prepared by Weiss's lawyer, and if the judge issued an order based on this motion, that order should be posted and not the moving papers, which are stale by now here in August. The poster above that claims this "reflects an order of the judge" is simply incorrect. Like many of the posts here.
ReplyDeletePerry................................................
ReplyDeleteIt didn't yet reach the time to give a get, but it's now reaching the point that Rivky has to come out in public and apologize to Yoily for lying with this b"d sham and she should finally admit the truth that the excommunication and the psak beit din was customized self fabricated by herself to unfairly bashmutz Reb Yoily; let her publicize this asap on : D.T., D.N., J.P., RR-FB, RR.Com, F.M., GO FUND ME, ORA, Channel 7, Chabad websites, etc etc , it should be reached by all the media, all TV stations/channels, all newspapers in the world (Jewish and secular), by all blogs, sites (make sure this get to reach every single b"d & Rabbi & Dayan & Sofer in the whole world), this way she might have a kapporah from Hashem, and then Hashem might get to accept the Tehilim & Tefiloys of Rebbetzin Miriam Orbach & the others that they claimed on RR-FB that they are davening for Rivky to be Zoicheh to have her get bekoroyv Mamash..........
Perry..............
ReplyDeletePls make sure to also include in your own posts in that category that you stated : "simply incorrect. Like many of the posts here."
@honesty, maybe as a child of a messy divorce myself , I can't figure out how Rivky would want to cause the same pain to her own children. That I find it so sad that money would be more important to her than the emotional well being of her children is mind boggling. She sounds more like the abuser than Yoel does. To me, a closeknit loving family is way more valuable than all the money in the world. I cry at the fact that my own children have had to suffer somewhat from my parents divorce.
ReplyDeleteThanks! I spent a lot of time thinking about this .. and got to give Yoel credit for fighting the way he is for his kids.. I just hope that they can get some semblance of a normal life..
ReplyDeleteOmain !
ReplyDeleteWe're so sorry about the pain that your family had to suffer after your parents divorce!
ReplyDeleteHonesty.............
ReplyDelete"What's the definition of insanity?"
I googled for the definition , and I can now tell you : WELL SAID !
(It doesn't look like Hmlamdan got to check this out to know the definition!)
Hmelamdan....................
ReplyDelete"You can even call the number and speak to the beis din!"
Lol ! Didn't you yet hear that Reb Yoily already kept trying to do your idea of calling that b"d for the last 6 months, but to No avail...!?
I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. It's very sad. I wish you well.
ReplyDeleteHowever, to answer your question, may I suggest a book?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Unexpected-Legacy-Divorce-Landmark/dp/0786886161
At times a person can really want to create and maintain something, but if they lack the skills to make it work, they are in a very difficult situation. I blame Rivky's advisers more than anyone else. Instead of investing all their efforts in behaving like gangsters and advising her as how to shake down her husband, they could have sent her to a competent therapist who would help her navigate her marriage as well as help her through her own issues that may be resultant from her challenging childhood. They could have explained to her what divorce entails and what it entails to work on her marriage. The efforts invested in divorce, in children not having both parents at home etc etc are much greater than the efforts necessary to maintain a marriage.
The end game isn't to shame Rivky, it is to reach the Get al pi halacha.
ReplyDeleteFlowery words. To you -
1) the end game is a get.
2) all the means used to arrive at "the end game" is justified.
Well, what the means are, is very relevant. All the garabage of this disgusting game is too numerous to go through. It is disgusting, unacceptable and should be revealed. Additionally, besides for causing unjustified harm to the Weiss family, this game is causing untold harm to women who are actually suffering. After this story, no one believes them. The generous donors will now feel burnt and may not be willing to help a truly abused woman for fear that she's just pulling a game.
Perry..............Pls make sure to also include in your own posts in that category that you stated : "simply incorrect. Like many of the posts here."
ReplyDeleteWhy should she only include her words? To her, her comments are defined as "many". It is her posts that are simply - and purposely! - incorrect
I am in the middle of reading the book! I totally agree, someone should have advised her on how to keep her marriage instead of helping her ruin her life. I am working on myself constantly because I want to make life for my children much better than I had it.
ReplyDeleteThank you! It is really sad that she got and is still getting horrible advice.
ReplyDeleteHonesty...... ........................
ReplyDeleteI'd think that this just above typed comment from you, must the very BEST one (with a serious תוכן full of heart & נשמה) out of all the previous comments about Rivky's case, and mainly illustrating the face and krum mind of her advisers (especially including at least her main one famous gangster that didn't wanna give the get to his ex-Agunah-wife for like about 14 long years as well as her hired P.R.). This very impressive and to be נתפעל.
ממש עושה קידוש הק ע"י דעת תורה!י
Honesty..................
ReplyDeleteAnother very impressing one !!!
Honesty.....................................
ReplyDeleteYou are now very CORRECT !!!
Daas Torah.................................
ReplyDeleteYou wrote about 4 days ago @ELamdan that :
Reality is finally closing in on Rivky and she will be revealed to all for the shameful production she has produced." We can't wait anymore !!
Pls post a new post with the full sham revelation that was produced by Rivky !!
MevakeshHaemes ..................
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome. It is very sad, especially for her children !!
Your lack of objectivity is the only thing funner than your posts. I don't have a horse in this race, so calling it like it is is easy.
ReplyDeletedisqus_MDSF1PKD7v .....................
ReplyDelete???? pls explain yourself !!
Daas Torah .._________
ReplyDeleteWe're waiting for the videos of the 10th of Av by chabad e72 to be come out public ! We're also waiting for Yoily to make anew a Public Announcement to his wife Rivky Stein !!